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Old November 14th, 2017, 07:14 PM   #121
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The interview was awful. Some highlights


4. They were unable to tell me either their sales goals or their previous sales numbers

7. They offered me the job, sales job, for $10 an hour plus 15% of commission and said that I'd make 70k but were not able to provide me with anyone's actual salary or any actual numbers of actual units sold


So I ran away really really really REALLY fast.

Also I wore jeans which was a good call because I felt overdressed even in that.
Every sales manager I have ever met had a spreadsheet or whiteboard with unit sales totals. It was pretty much a public competition between the salespersons to see who could sell the most. While I could see that maybe the actual dollars of sales and individuals pay are proprietary they should have been able to say "Bob sold 23 bikes last month, Jerry sold 15, Ralph sold 2....."

Sounds like running away was a good plan. But at least you got to work on your interview skills. Make some notes on what worked and didn't work in the interview so you will be better prepared for the next one. The interview while awful was valuable as a learning experience.
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Old November 14th, 2017, 07:44 PM   #122
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The interview was awful. Some highlights

1. They asked my age (not that I care, but its considered incredibly rude)
2. Two people were interviewing me and others were constantly coming in and interrupting and asking about other stuff and they would end up chatting and I sat there awkwardly
3. They told me their parts department is worthless
4. They were unable to tell me either their sales goals or their previous sales numbers
5. Their service department was dimly lit, not heated, there was trash all over the floor and not a single square inch of clear space on their counters or tool boxes
6. They stood around chatting with other employees about how to lower a cobra bike for some guy's son for a full fifteen minutes while trying to start some other random dirtbikes just for fun because there was nothing to do (and I was just standing there kind of ignored at this point)
7. They offered me the job, sales job, for $10 an hour plus 15% of commission and said that I'd make 70k but were not able to provide me with anyone's actual salary or any actual numbers of actual units sold
8. They openly joked about firing other employees and about the employee they just fired last week
9. They talked about other employees and said they were annoying and not likable but they sold well so they get to stay
10. Their show room was unacceptable, bikes were just stacked on other bikes and there wasnt a single motorcycle that was in full view, all just lined up within 3 inches of other bikes, it didn't even look like a dealership but more like a dingy warehouse
11. They were trying to sell used Japanese dirtbikes for upwards of $4500
12. They told me they're mad at Beta and want to drop Beta (maybe why their TWO Beta bikes were stuffed in a back corner) because of some weird story about how the manager bought a beta for himself and didn't tie it down properly and it fell off the trailer on the highway and got dragged; and then it had issues (duh) and wouldn't start, and their service department cannot figure out why, and Beta is refusing to consider that warranty work and does not want to give them a new wiring harness for free

So I ran away really really really REALLY fast.

Also I wore jeans which was a good call because I felt overdressed even in that.
Good experience for yourself. Now you have the worst job interview of your life out of the way, it's all gotta be good from here. IT IS ILLEGAL TO ASK AN APPLICANTS AGE!!!!!!! You could get them into a whole lot of trouble but why bother, they are going to hang themselves anyway.

Man, on-line parts support is looking better and better. I'm very glad I wrench my own motorcycles.

Keep on truckin'.

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Old November 14th, 2017, 08:08 PM   #123
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Good decision, sounds like a terrible place to work. Asking how old you are in an interview can actually be illegal, but since you're obviously under 40 just from looking at you, it might not have been illegal in your particular case. Regardless, they don't sound like good people.
Yeah... I'm not that desperate. Would not work there. I'm 24 for the record.
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Old November 14th, 2017, 08:12 PM   #124
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You could get them into a whole lot of trouble but why bother, they are going to hang themselves anyway.
Story of my life when it comes to motorcycle industry job interviews.

My interview at my tech job went like this:

What is your experience? I did xyz to my Ninja 250.
What tools do you have? Only what I needed to do xyz to my Ninja 250.
What bike do you have, and did you ride it here? SV 650 and yes.
Come with whatever tools you have on Tuesday.

That shop set the gold standard for everything. I can tell pretty quick if/how sexist the management is, or is going to be, in the interview. A dead giveaway is, "I'm not trying to be sexist, but..." it's a big problem in the motorcycle industry. Where I worked (Cycles of Silver Spring) I wasn't "one of the guys" nor was it like "don't talk that way there's a lady around." It IS possible to treat a female who works on bikes as, surprise, just another human being...

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Old November 14th, 2017, 09:12 PM   #125
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Story of my life when it comes to motorcycle industry job interviews.

My interview at my tech job went like this:

What is your experience? I did xyz to my Ninja 250.
What tools do you have? Only what I needed to do xyz to my Ninja 250.
What bike do you have, and did you ride it here? SV 650 and yes.
Come with whatever tools you have on Tuesday.

That shop set the gold standard for everything. I can tell pretty quick if/how sexist the management is, or is going to be, in the interview. A dead giveaway is, "I'm not trying to be sexist, but..." it's a big problem in the motorcycle industry. Where I worked (Cycles of Silver Spring) I wasn't "one of the guys" nor was it like "don't talk that way there's a lady around." It IS possible to treat a female who works on bikes as, surprise, just another human being...

off my soapbox
I guess I couldn't talk you into singing a couple choruses of "I enjoy Being a Girl" by Doris Day huh?

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Old November 14th, 2017, 09:23 PM   #126
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I am going to be making $0 from them because I'm not going to work there
I understood that, but was just expressing how ridiculous their estimate of your possible income was. Here's hoping for better prospects to come along soon!

I might be wrong, but from what I've read, it's not illegal to ask your age at an interview. What is done with the information could possibly be illegal, but asking and getting an answer is not.
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Thanks. I wrote a letter to the AMA yesterday basically cold applying for a job and they got back to me today. The person on the other end said she forwarded my info to the president of the company so we'll see if anything happens. Going to write to a few other companies like that and see if it gets me anywhere. I'm interested less in selling units than in selling people on getting into motorcycling and sticking with it... I could see myself doing some kind of project management or event coordination or something..
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Thanks. I wrote a letter to the AMA yesterday basically cold applying for a job and they got back to me today. The person on the other end said she forwarded my info to the president of the company so we'll see if anything happens. Going to write to a few other companies like that and see if it gets me anywhere. I'm interested less in selling units than in selling people on getting into motorcycling and sticking with it... I could see myself doing some kind of project management or event coordination or something..
Good thinkin' Katie. I never thought of the A.M.A. That could be a classy and rewarding place to work.

Good luck. Office of the President - excuse ME!

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Old November 15th, 2017, 07:20 AM   #129
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Thanks. I wrote a letter to the AMA yesterday basically cold applying for a job and they got back to me today. The person on the other end said she forwarded my info to the president of the company so we'll see if anything happens. Going to write to a few other companies like that and see if it gets me anywhere. I'm interested less in selling units than in selling people on getting into motorcycling and sticking with it... I could see myself doing some kind of project management or event coordination or something..
Best of luck. Aim high.

Too bad about the interview, but at least you got a clear picture of the place and know absolutely it's not for you.

Great dealerships are few-and-far-between these days. Getting into a legitimate organization would be a huge step up.

It will happen for you, but it may take some time.
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Old November 16th, 2017, 11:41 AM   #130
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Good luck!

That shop sounds like a terrible place to work. Glad you passed it up. Nothing sounds reasonable about it.
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I sent a LinkedIn request with a short message to the marketing manager of Beta Motorcycles. To my surprise he accepted my connection request and also sent me a message saying they're not hiring right now but he can pass along my info to his supervisors (meaning they probably are hiring for certain select things, right?)

I wrote back thanking him for his time and telling him about me and what I'm interested in.. getting more female riders into the industry through group rides and community networking.. super interested in Beta two stroke technology and also am curious about being a brand ambassador, interested in getting involved in any way that I can.

I'm not sure if this will go anywhere but I would LOVE to work for Beta!
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