August 29th, 2013, 09:32 AM | #1 |
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3-Year-Old Gets Taken on Dangerous Motorcycle Ride
OMG! This is just plain STUPID & RECKLESS! He obviously isn't gonna get "Father of the Year"! I just hope she survives her DUMBA** DAD's decisions in life... I hope they find this IDIOT!
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August 29th, 2013, 09:46 AM | #2 |
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Favorite part of video is +-3 years old. Are they implying she could be zero years old?
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August 29th, 2013, 09:54 AM | #3 |
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The somewhat interesting part is that it's probably not illegal, at least in California. In a state that requires child safety seats through graduate school, the laws for motorcycle passengers are quite lax. There is no minimum age; the only requirement is that the child be large enough to reach the rear passenger pegs with their feet. On sportbikes, that means many kids could probably do so at age 3. Whether it's appropriate or not is a completely different question.
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I still couldn't see myself doing this. I have a 10 year old & she's been bugging me to ride on the back of the bike. And I still can't get myself to do it (maybe if I get her some gear - ATGATT). But even then, I can be as safe as possible but there are so many other elements that make it dangerous.
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August 29th, 2013, 10:16 AM | #5 |
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@Alex: This is what I found...
Here is an answer from the California Highway Patrol: A child may ride as a passenger on a motorcycle when he/she is no longer required to be in a child restraint (car seat) and their feet can reach the passenger foot pegs. Failure to obey this could result in citations being issued for violations of 27360 of the California Vehicle Code (Child Passenger Restraint law) and 27800 of the Vehicle Code (Motorcycles - Passengers: Equipment and Usage). Additionally, depending on the circumstances, an officer could cite or arrest the adult for child endangerment. Just for clarification, the child seat law currently states children shall be secured in a proper child restraint until the age of 6 or 60 pounds. As of January 1st, 2012 that law will be modified to require child restraints be used up to the age of 8 or until a child reaches 4'9" in height.
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August 29th, 2013, 10:22 AM | #6 |
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I think my son was in kindergarten when he started riding with me. So, that's about 5 years old or so. He is a great passenger, he's been doing it for 8+ years!
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August 29th, 2013, 10:24 AM | #7 |
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I'm not sure what state that was in, but...
California PC 273(a) - Child Endangerment Penal Code 273(a) punishes what is known as “child endangerment”, and is generally considered to be a “domestic violence” crime. There is a crime under 273(a) when an individual (a) places a child in a dangerous situation, or (b) allows a child to be placed in a dangerous situation without taking measures to protect the child. |
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August 29th, 2013, 10:59 AM | #8 | |
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@deeno415 - what you've shared is the opinion of the CHP, but it's not the law. Here's all the law says:
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August 29th, 2013, 11:04 AM | #9 | |
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August 29th, 2013, 11:08 AM | #10 |
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In this particular video, she's not wearing an approved helmet, so it would be a pretty easy case for someone to make, I imagine.
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I understand what you are saying... I think, if CHP or local PD can issue you a citation then there is some law regarding this. From what I know of this video, it was in South Africa and the local authorities are trying to locate this individual. I just felt really horrible for the little girl... did you see the look on her face at the end of the video?! She looks terrified!
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That poor girl is going to be scarred for life.
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September 2nd, 2013, 07:53 AM | #17 |
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I don't think she is 3 more like 4-5 my son who just turn 3 has rode on the back of my bike just fine. Now racing off like that I think is the child endangerment part.
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September 2nd, 2013, 08:07 AM | #18 |
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That girl is going to be a fast rider !!!
I agree, the speed was excessive. I started riding as a passenger at five, but my father was never that fast while carrying me. I did grab him very well and never had any problem, raining or not. I believe that no kid would let go and fall under normal speeds and G forces, most are smart and will-strong.
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September 2nd, 2013, 01:15 PM | #20 |
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Who? @BlueRaven? JK!
Seriously though... maybe I'm just the overcautious dad, my daughter is 10 and I would never do what this dad did!
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However, riding with a little passenger should be done in a way that any accident or fall is as remote as winning the lottery. That includes moderate speed, light traffic, good road surface, good weather, smooth maneuvers, proper signaling, etc. Maybe proper gear and helmet become less useful riding with the Dad of the vid. The attitude and judgement of the rider can overpower skills, protection and luck,............... in both directions.
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September 2nd, 2013, 01:57 PM | #23 |
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This is why it took me 20+ years to get my first bike. Brother-in-law took me on his ninja zx-750 back in 1988. I had on no helmet and was wearing safety goggles for eye protection. Literally scared a nugget out of my green neon jams (anyone who grew up in the 80's will know what these were).
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"Dress for the fall, not for the ride", as the saying goes.
Crashing or falling while riding with a little one is not an option. Good night, Akima !!!
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That poor child! Our daughter got a helmet for her 5th birthday and a ride around the block. She has been raised around motorcycles all her life and at 6 years old, we still haven't taken her out on anything other than residential streets.
As for the law pertaining child restraint seats, we spoke with the HP and local PD who both agreed the law is a gray area. The child restraint law requires kids in WA to be in the seats until 5 years of age and 40 lbs. Motorcycle law just states it must be safe. Upon queried, both officers agreed that one could feasibly attach a child restraint seat onto the back of the bike and be complying within the letter of the law! Scary...
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In the state of Georgia, there is no age restriction on the passenger. It only says the passenger has to be able to touch the foot pegs. It looks like the same also applies in California.
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September 5th, 2013, 06:06 AM | #28 |
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@Alex, not to be argumentative, but the law clearly states that the child must be in an approved safety seat in any motor vehicle. It does not make exception for motorcycles, unless I miss something.
Completely different from lane splitting, where the act is legal, but doing it in a dangerous manner is not. |
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Sorry @ChaoSS, but that's incorrect. When you read the law, it defines motor vehicle as:
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http://www.dmv.ca.gov/pubs/vctop/d12/vc27360.htm Which refers to this section when it defines motor vehicle: http://www.dmv.ca.gov/pubs/vctop/d12/vc27315.htm
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September 5th, 2013, 07:11 AM | #30 |
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Strange, I've been through all this before and missed it.
I wonder if they miscited it, it says paragraph (1) or subdivision (3), wonder if they mean (c), because otherwise it doesn't seem to make any sense whatsoever. |
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September 7th, 2013, 08:32 AM | #31 |
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If a parent needs a law to force them to safely transport their child, then the child has no hope even if the law is successful. You can't force responsible and moral parenting.
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