ninjette.org

Go Back   ninjette.org > 1986 - 2007 Ninja 250R > 1986 - 2007 Ninja 250R Tech Talk

Notices

Reply
 
Thread Tools
Old April 12th, 2018, 04:18 PM   #1
Tylorwashere
ninjette.org member
 
Name: Tylor
Location: Michigan
Join Date: Aug 2017

Motorcycle(s): 2005 Ninja 250

Posts: 78
Back tire is leaning?

So I just got my bike (mostly) put back together after going through it all winter. I was getting ready to take it out for a test/ tuning run when I realized that my back tire is leaning to the left, like alot.

I really don't want to take it back off again, does anyone know offhand anything that would cause this? Both of my chain tensioners are perfect with eachother, and I don't have any extra parts laying around from putting it back together, it just got nice out I wanna ride!

Help?

Last futzed with by Tylorwashere; April 12th, 2018 at 04:19 PM. Reason: Typo
Tylorwashere is offline   Reply With Quote




Old April 12th, 2018, 04:25 PM   #2
adouglas
Cat herder
 
adouglas's Avatar
 
Name: Gort
Location: A secret lair which, being secret, has an undisclosed location
Join Date: May 2009

Motorcycle(s): Aprilia RS660

Posts: A lot.
Blog Entries: 6
MOTM - Jul '18, Nov '16, Aug '14, May '13
"Leaning" to the left?

Do you mean that as you look at the bike from the rear (with the bike straight up and down), the rim is not vertical?

Got a pic?

Seriously, removing and replacing a wheel is not that hard once you've done it a couple of times. I do it at the track all the time... 10 minutes tops for both ends of the bike.
__________________________________________________
I am NOT an adrenaline junkie, I'm a skill junkie. - csmith12

Nam et ipsa scientia potestas est.
Heri historia. Cras mysterium. Hodie donum est. Carpe diem.
adouglas is offline   Reply With Quote


Old April 12th, 2018, 04:30 PM   #3
Tylorwashere
ninjette.org member
 
Name: Tylor
Location: Michigan
Join Date: Aug 2017

Motorcycle(s): 2005 Ninja 250

Posts: 78
Yeah when it's on the center stand it's leaning to the left. I'll take a picture just give me a sec. Anything else you wanna see while I'm out there?

Quote:
Originally Posted by adouglas View Post
"Leaning" to the left?

Do you mean that as you look at the bike from the rear (with the bike straight up and down), the rim is not vertical?

Got a pic?

Seriously, removing and replacing a wheel is not that hard once you've done it a couple of times. I do it at the track all the time... 10 minutes tops for both ends of the bike.
Tylorwashere is offline   Reply With Quote


Old April 12th, 2018, 04:38 PM   #4
adouglas
Cat herder
 
adouglas's Avatar
 
Name: Gort
Location: A secret lair which, being secret, has an undisclosed location
Join Date: May 2009

Motorcycle(s): Aprilia RS660

Posts: A lot.
Blog Entries: 6
MOTM - Jul '18, Nov '16, Aug '14, May '13
Trying to wrap my head around what could possibly cause that. Makes no sense... Does it spin freely? If you push on it side to side, is it solid or does it wobble?

Get a closeup of both ends of the axle, where it goes through the swing arm.


Wondering if, perhaps, a wheel bearing fell out or something.
__________________________________________________
I am NOT an adrenaline junkie, I'm a skill junkie. - csmith12

Nam et ipsa scientia potestas est.
Heri historia. Cras mysterium. Hodie donum est. Carpe diem.
adouglas is offline   Reply With Quote


Old April 12th, 2018, 04:40 PM   #5
Tylorwashere
ninjette.org member
 
Name: Tylor
Location: Michigan
Join Date: Aug 2017

Motorcycle(s): 2005 Ninja 250

Posts: 78


Sorry I meant it's leaning to the right, kinda hard to get a good picture
Tylorwashere is offline   Reply With Quote


Old April 12th, 2018, 04:40 PM   #6
Tylorwashere
ninjette.org member
 
Name: Tylor
Location: Michigan
Join Date: Aug 2017

Motorcycle(s): 2005 Ninja 250

Posts: 78
Yeah when it's on the center stand it's leaning to the left. I'll take a picture just give me a sec. Anything else you wanna see while I'm out there?

Quote:
Originally Posted by adouglas View Post
"Leaning" to the left?

Do you mean that as you look at the bike from the rear (with the bike straight up and down), the rim is not vertical?

Got a pic?

Seriously, removing and replacing a wheel is not that hard once you've done it a couple of times. I do it at the track all the time... 10 minutes tops for both ends of the bike.
Tylorwashere is offline   Reply With Quote


Old April 12th, 2018, 04:41 PM   #7
Tylorwashere
ninjette.org member
 
Name: Tylor
Location: Michigan
Join Date: Aug 2017

Motorcycle(s): 2005 Ninja 250

Posts: 78
Tylorwashere is offline   Reply With Quote


Old April 12th, 2018, 04:43 PM   #8
Tylorwashere
ninjette.org member
 
Name: Tylor
Location: Michigan
Join Date: Aug 2017

Motorcycle(s): 2005 Ninja 250

Posts: 78
Im not sure why its not uploading the url, but yeah its in there solid, not wobbly or anything. The only thing I can think is I didn't crank the nut on the rear axle down, just far enough so it was wrench snug and I could get the cotter pin through
Tylorwashere is offline   Reply With Quote


Old April 12th, 2018, 04:57 PM   #9
Triple Jim
Guy Who Enjoys Riding
 
Triple Jim's Avatar
 
Name: Jim
Location: North Carolina
Join Date: Jul 2016

Motorcycle(s): Ninja 250

Posts: A lot.
MOTM - Oct '18, Aug '17, Aug '16
If the plane of the wheel's rotation is not in line with the frame (vertical) then the frame or swing arm is bent, or there's some other serious problem like a bushing is missing from the swing arm pivot.
Triple Jim is offline   Reply With Quote


Old April 12th, 2018, 05:10 PM   #10
adouglas
Cat herder
 
adouglas's Avatar
 
Name: Gort
Location: A secret lair which, being secret, has an undisclosed location
Join Date: May 2009

Motorcycle(s): Aprilia RS660

Posts: A lot.
Blog Entries: 6
MOTM - Jul '18, Nov '16, Aug '14, May '13
I got nothin'.

If the swing arm is undamaged, it should not be possible for the wheel to go in at an angle... the axle goes through two slots and there's really no chance for it to be out of square.

This view doesn't show the stamped metal spacers that should be there...



... meaning these....



So: If it's impossible for the axle to go in crooked, then there are only two things I can think of that would cause the wheel to be skewed like that.

Either:
1) There's something wrong with the wheel assembly. If all parts are there and the rim hasn't been bent, then the only possibility is the hub... bearings?
2) The whole swing arm is crooked. You said you were "putting the bike back together." Did you take off the swing arm? Could that have gotten put back together wrong?

You can do a quick/dirty test of #2 if you've got a level floor, by measuring the distance from the ground to the bottom of the swing arm on both sides with the bike up on its center stand.

If it were me, I'd take it all apart and make darned sure all the parts are there, check for anything that's not square and put it all back. Not cool to ride with a bike that's deranged.
__________________________________________________
I am NOT an adrenaline junkie, I'm a skill junkie. - csmith12

Nam et ipsa scientia potestas est.
Heri historia. Cras mysterium. Hodie donum est. Carpe diem.
adouglas is offline   Reply With Quote


Old April 12th, 2018, 05:24 PM   #11
Tylorwashere
ninjette.org member
 
Name: Tylor
Location: Michigan
Join Date: Aug 2017

Motorcycle(s): 2005 Ninja 250

Posts: 78
The only thing I did that could possibly affect the swing arm is swap out the old shock for a newgen one. I'm thinking I probably put something back together wrong when I put it back on. I didn't take the hub assembly apart when I changed the rear sprocket, so maybe that isn't all together correctly. But most likely I have a spacer in wrong or something


Quote:
Originally Posted by adouglas View Post
I got nothin'.

If the swing arm is undamaged, it should not be possible for the wheel to go in at an angle... the axle goes through two slots and there's really no chance for it to be out of square.

This view doesn't show the stamped metal spacers that should be there...



... meaning these....



So: If it's impossible for the axle to go in crooked, then there are only two things I can think of that would cause the wheel to be skewed like that.

Either:
1) There's something wrong with the wheel assembly. If all parts are there and the rim hasn't been bent, then the only possibility is the hub... bearings?
2) The whole swing arm is crooked. You said you were "putting the bike back together." Did you take off the swing arm? Could that have gotten put back together wrong?

You can do a quick/dirty test of #2 if you've got a level floor, by measuring the distance from the ground to the bottom of the swing arm on both sides with the bike up on its center stand.

If it were me, I'd take it all apart and make darned sure all the parts are there, check for anything that's not square and put it all back. Not cool to ride with a bike that's deranged.
Tylorwashere is offline   Reply With Quote


Old April 12th, 2018, 05:26 PM   #12
Tylorwashere
ninjette.org member
 
Name: Tylor
Location: Michigan
Join Date: Aug 2017

Motorcycle(s): 2005 Ninja 250

Posts: 78
https://pasteboard.co/HglaRmx.jpg
Tylorwashere is offline   Reply With Quote


Old April 12th, 2018, 06:48 PM   #13
DannoXYZ
ninjette.org certified postwhore
 
Name: AKA JacRyann
Location: Mesa, AZ
Join Date: Dec 2011

Motorcycle(s): CB125T CBR250R-MC19 CBR250RR-MC22 NSR350R-MC21 VF500F CBR600RR SFV650 VFR750F R1M ST1300PA Valkyrie-F6C

Posts: A lot.
MOTY - 2018, MOTM - Nov '17
Looks pretty straight to me.
Tyre's at 90-degrees to turn-signals
Tyre's 90-degrees to bottom of taillight.
Tyre's centre is perfectly in middle of taillight.

Fender might be a little crooked and giving an optical illusion.
More of the license-plate is to right of centreline.


DannoXYZ is offline   Reply With Quote


Old April 13th, 2018, 05:43 AM   #14
jkv45
Rev Limiter
 
jkv45's Avatar
 
Name: Jay
Location: WI
Join Date: Jul 2013

Motorcycle(s): '06 SV650n, '00 Derbi GPR, '64 CA77 Dream 305, '70 CL450 Scrambler, numerous dirt bikes

Posts: A lot.
MOTM - Jun '18, Oct '16
I don't see the problem either.

Measure from the center of the axle bolt to a point forward that's the same on both sides - like the swingarm pivot bolt. Get the same measurement, then compare it to the hash marks on the swingarm. They don't always agree. Once I know it's perfectly aligned I will put a punch mark on the adjuster bolts in the same point on each one (like the 12-o'clock position). That way you just turn 1/8, 1/4, or whatever, on each and you know you are still aligned correctly. Saves time rechecking the measurement and makes it easy to be accurate.

Sometimes there are things in the way, so you may need to find another point that works.
jkv45 is offline   Reply With Quote


Old April 13th, 2018, 06:12 AM   #15
Tylorwashere
ninjette.org member
 
Name: Tylor
Location: Michigan
Join Date: Aug 2017

Motorcycle(s): 2005 Ninja 250

Posts: 78
I will try to get a better picture, in person it looks really bad
Tylorwashere is offline   Reply With Quote


Old April 13th, 2018, 06:31 AM   #16
adouglas
Cat herder
 
adouglas's Avatar
 
Name: Gort
Location: A secret lair which, being secret, has an undisclosed location
Join Date: May 2009

Motorcycle(s): Aprilia RS660

Posts: A lot.
Blog Entries: 6
MOTM - Jul '18, Nov '16, Aug '14, May '13
The string measure thing only works if the wheel isn't tracking straight (skewed when seen from above). That's not what's going on here. The top of the tire is farther to the right than the contact patch. It's skewed when seen from the rear.

My money's on the whole swing arm being off somehow, at the pivot.

Has the bike ever been crashed?
__________________________________________________
I am NOT an adrenaline junkie, I'm a skill junkie. - csmith12

Nam et ipsa scientia potestas est.
Heri historia. Cras mysterium. Hodie donum est. Carpe diem.
adouglas is offline   Reply With Quote


Old April 13th, 2018, 06:48 AM   #17
jkv45
Rev Limiter
 
jkv45's Avatar
 
Name: Jay
Location: WI
Join Date: Jul 2013

Motorcycle(s): '06 SV650n, '00 Derbi GPR, '64 CA77 Dream 305, '70 CL450 Scrambler, numerous dirt bikes

Posts: A lot.
MOTM - Jun '18, Oct '16
Quote:
Originally Posted by adouglas View Post
The string measure thing only works if the wheel isn't tracking straight (skewed when seen from above). That's not what's going on here. The top of the tire is farther to the right than the contact patch. It's skewed when seen from the rear.

My money's on the whole swing arm being off somehow, at the pivot.

Has the bike ever been crashed?
That would be really odd.

We had a Ninja that went down at 85 MPH (original owner was caught on radar) and trashed most everything, but the frame and such were fine.

With the tire on the ground, you could take a measurement from the axle to the floor, and obviously they should be the same.

If not - the swingarm is bent.
jkv45 is offline   Reply With Quote


Old April 13th, 2018, 10:30 AM   #18
DannoXYZ
ninjette.org certified postwhore
 
Name: AKA JacRyann
Location: Mesa, AZ
Join Date: Dec 2011

Motorcycle(s): CB125T CBR250R-MC19 CBR250RR-MC22 NSR350R-MC21 VF500F CBR600RR SFV650 VFR750F R1M ST1300PA Valkyrie-F6C

Posts: A lot.
MOTY - 2018, MOTM - Nov '17
Yeah, only way to tilt tyre is bend swingarm; there's no adjustment.

OP, remove rear fender a take another photo.
DannoXYZ is offline   Reply With Quote


Old April 13th, 2018, 10:50 AM   #19
Triple Jim
Guy Who Enjoys Riding
 
Triple Jim's Avatar
 
Name: Jim
Location: North Carolina
Join Date: Jul 2016

Motorcycle(s): Ninja 250

Posts: A lot.
MOTM - Oct '18, Aug '17, Aug '16
Quote:
Originally Posted by DannoXYZ View Post
Yeah, only way to tilt tyre is bend swingarm; there's no adjustment.
Or to have something very wrong with the pivot bushing assembly, as I said in reply #9.
Triple Jim is offline   Reply With Quote


Old April 13th, 2018, 10:59 AM   #20
adouglas
Cat herder
 
adouglas's Avatar
 
Name: Gort
Location: A secret lair which, being secret, has an undisclosed location
Join Date: May 2009

Motorcycle(s): Aprilia RS660

Posts: A lot.
Blog Entries: 6
MOTM - Jul '18, Nov '16, Aug '14, May '13
Quote:
Originally Posted by Triple Jim View Post
Or to have something very wrong with the pivot bushing assembly, as I said in reply #9.
Yeah, this is sounding likely to me.

1) Bike was okay before disassembly (presumably).
2) Rear was taken apart to install new shock.
3) Things are askew after reassembly.

If things were okay before and nothing untoward happened to the pieces (like, oh, an elephant standing on the swingarm or something) while apart, then the simplest answer is user error in reassembly.

Unsure of the actual mechanism by which one might get that result, having never done the job myself. But from a sheer cause-and-effect logic standpoint, it makes sense.
__________________________________________________
I am NOT an adrenaline junkie, I'm a skill junkie. - csmith12

Nam et ipsa scientia potestas est.
Heri historia. Cras mysterium. Hodie donum est. Carpe diem.
adouglas is offline   Reply With Quote


Old April 13th, 2018, 11:14 AM   #21
adouglas
Cat herder
 
adouglas's Avatar
 
Name: Gort
Location: A secret lair which, being secret, has an undisclosed location
Join Date: May 2009

Motorcycle(s): Aprilia RS660

Posts: A lot.
Blog Entries: 6
MOTM - Jul '18, Nov '16, Aug '14, May '13
Okay, so given that:

A) The wheel axle can't be installed in a way that the tire can "lean" off of vertical (though it can be installed so that the wheel won't track straight);
B) It doesn't seem likely (absent further information) that either the swingarm or wheel are bent;
C) The rear of the bike was taken apart and reassembled

Let's see if we can figure out what might have gone wrong. Here's the parts diagram:



The swingarm bolt passes through a tube (42036) that sits in the swingarm. At either end are an oil seal (92049) and a bearing (92046). It looks like the tube rides in the bearing, the bearing fits into the swingarm, and the oil seals keep dirt out of the whole shebang.

So what happens if we leave out one bearing? Seems to me that might produce what we're seeing.
__________________________________________________
I am NOT an adrenaline junkie, I'm a skill junkie. - csmith12

Nam et ipsa scientia potestas est.
Heri historia. Cras mysterium. Hodie donum est. Carpe diem.
adouglas is offline   Reply With Quote


1 out of 1 members found this post helpful.
Old April 13th, 2018, 03:54 PM   #22
DannoXYZ
ninjette.org certified postwhore
 
Name: AKA JacRyann
Location: Mesa, AZ
Join Date: Dec 2011

Motorcycle(s): CB125T CBR250R-MC19 CBR250RR-MC22 NSR350R-MC21 VF500F CBR600RR SFV650 VFR750F R1M ST1300PA Valkyrie-F6C

Posts: A lot.
MOTY - 2018, MOTM - Nov '17
Except we're not seeing any misalignment except for crooked fender and license plate.
DannoXYZ is offline   Reply With Quote


Old April 13th, 2018, 06:04 PM   #23
Tylorwashere
ninjette.org member
 
Name: Tylor
Location: Michigan
Join Date: Aug 2017

Motorcycle(s): 2005 Ninja 250

Posts: 78
I love how this has turned into a huge discussion, sorry I didn't get a chance to get another picture, apparently there's some apocalyptic ice storm coming this weekend so I was busy getting ready, but I will try my hardest tomorrow.
But here's some things that may clear some stuff up:

Swing arm was never off, it hasn't been crashed since I've had it, and it rode fine all last summer.

I thought I put everything back in on both sides of the rim correctly, but I may not have.

I noticed some play in what I assume is the hub assembly when I changed the rear sprocket, should this be tight?
Tylorwashere is offline   Reply With Quote


Old April 13th, 2018, 07:19 PM   #24
jkv45
Rev Limiter
 
jkv45's Avatar
 
Name: Jay
Location: WI
Join Date: Jul 2013

Motorcycle(s): '06 SV650n, '00 Derbi GPR, '64 CA77 Dream 305, '70 CL450 Scrambler, numerous dirt bikes

Posts: A lot.
MOTM - Jun '18, Oct '16
Quote:
Originally Posted by Tylorwashere View Post
I love how this has turned into a huge discussion, sorry I didn't get a chance to get another picture, apparently there's some apocalyptic ice storm coming this weekend so I was busy getting ready, but I will try my hardest tomorrow.
But here's some things that may clear some stuff up:

Swing arm was never off, it hasn't been crashed since I've had it, and it rode fine all last summer.

I thought I put everything back in on both sides of the rim correctly, but I may not have.

I noticed some play in what I assume is the hub assembly when I changed the rear sprocket, should this be tight?
If you mean the sprocket carrier - it is better if it's tighter.

Here's some info on the procedure to snug it up - https://faq.ninja250.org/wiki/How_to...the_cush_drive
jkv45 is offline   Reply With Quote


Old April 13th, 2018, 09:18 PM   #25
Ram Jet
ninjette.org certified postwhore
 
Ram Jet's Avatar
 
Name: Bill
Location: Port Huron, Michigan
Join Date: Mar 2017

Motorcycle(s): 2007 Kawasaki 250 Ninja, 1982 Honda Ascot FT500

Posts: A lot.
Quote:
Originally Posted by Tylorwashere View Post
Your tire and tail light seem to be in alignment. Your fender and tire don't appear to be. Did you remove/install the fender when working on it?

Bill
__________________________________________________
Insanity: doing the same thing over and over again expecting different results each time.
Ram Jet is offline   Reply With Quote


Old April 14th, 2018, 06:21 AM   #26
Tylorwashere
ninjette.org member
 
Name: Tylor
Location: Michigan
Join Date: Aug 2017

Motorcycle(s): 2005 Ninja 250

Posts: 78
There is definitely something wrong, because I rode it around the block before I noticed and whenever I use the back break it feels like the rear end wants to slide out to the side, and it doesn't feel really stable while riding
Tylorwashere is offline   Reply With Quote


Old April 14th, 2018, 06:45 AM   #27
adouglas
Cat herder
 
adouglas's Avatar
 
Name: Gort
Location: A secret lair which, being secret, has an undisclosed location
Join Date: May 2009

Motorcycle(s): Aprilia RS660

Posts: A lot.
Blog Entries: 6
MOTM - Jul '18, Nov '16, Aug '14, May '13
Something is obviously wrong with the hub. Refer to the parts diagram below, take the wheel off, and account for every piece (including the stuff that's normally inside the hub, e.g. wheel bearings). If everything is there and it's all in the right place, put it back together.

That's the solution, whatever the cause may have been.

__________________________________________________
I am NOT an adrenaline junkie, I'm a skill junkie. - csmith12

Nam et ipsa scientia potestas est.
Heri historia. Cras mysterium. Hodie donum est. Carpe diem.
adouglas is offline   Reply With Quote


Old April 14th, 2018, 07:28 AM   #28
jkv45
Rev Limiter
 
jkv45's Avatar
 
Name: Jay
Location: WI
Join Date: Jul 2013

Motorcycle(s): '06 SV650n, '00 Derbi GPR, '64 CA77 Dream 305, '70 CL450 Scrambler, numerous dirt bikes

Posts: A lot.
MOTM - Jun '18, Oct '16
Quote:
Originally Posted by Tylorwashere View Post
There is definitely something wrong, because I rode it around the block before I noticed and whenever I use the back break it feels like the rear end wants to slide out to the side, and it doesn't feel really stable while riding
If you grab the wheel with it up in the air and twist it, does it move in any direction?

Something isn't right, but I'm not sure what it would be. As adouglas said, look at the parts diagram and be sure all bearings, spaces, etc are there.

Can't say I've heard of this type of thing before.
jkv45 is offline   Reply With Quote


Old April 14th, 2018, 12:17 PM   #29
Triple Jim
Guy Who Enjoys Riding
 
Triple Jim's Avatar
 
Name: Jim
Location: North Carolina
Join Date: Jul 2016

Motorcycle(s): Ninja 250

Posts: A lot.
MOTM - Oct '18, Aug '17, Aug '16
Quote:
Originally Posted by jkv45 View Post
Can't say I've heard of this type of thing before.
"I never engaged in this kind of thing before
But yes, I think it can be very easily done
We'll just put some bleachers out in the sun
And have it on Highway 61"
Triple Jim is offline   Reply With Quote


Old April 14th, 2018, 01:55 PM   #30
Ram Jet
ninjette.org certified postwhore
 
Ram Jet's Avatar
 
Name: Bill
Location: Port Huron, Michigan
Join Date: Mar 2017

Motorcycle(s): 2007 Kawasaki 250 Ninja, 1982 Honda Ascot FT500

Posts: A lot.
Quote:
Originally Posted by Triple Jim View Post
"I never engaged in this kind of thing before
But yes, I think it can be very easily done
We'll just put some bleachers out in the sun
And have it on Highway 61"
Best flavor - Johnny Winter.

Bill
__________________________________________________
Insanity: doing the same thing over and over again expecting different results each time.
Ram Jet is offline   Reply With Quote


1 out of 1 members found this post helpful.
Old April 14th, 2018, 02:29 PM   #31
DannoXYZ
ninjette.org certified postwhore
 
Name: AKA JacRyann
Location: Mesa, AZ
Join Date: Dec 2011

Motorcycle(s): CB125T CBR250R-MC19 CBR250RR-MC22 NSR350R-MC21 VF500F CBR600RR SFV650 VFR750F R1M ST1300PA Valkyrie-F6C

Posts: A lot.
MOTY - 2018, MOTM - Nov '17
I bet there’s a spacer missing.
DannoXYZ is offline   Reply With Quote


Old April 20th, 2018, 03:34 PM   #32
Tylorwashere
ninjette.org member
 
Name: Tylor
Location: Michigan
Join Date: Aug 2017

Motorcycle(s): 2005 Ninja 250

Posts: 78
If anyone is still interested I took the wheel off again, spacers were there on each side and everything in the hub was still there. I put it back on and it's almost worse than it was the first time. Have it off again right now and here are some observations:

The sleeve that the axle goes though inside the hub doesn't seem to be fixed in place it's kinda just in there inbetween the bearings.

If I lay the tire flat on the brake disk and grab the sprocket I can kinda wobble it around to and fro.

I think the axle was in from the wrong side? Not sure if that matters.

If I tighten the axle nut all the way down the tire won't move. Seems kinda odd.

The chain adjusters have a thin and a thick side, which one is supposed to go inside the Swing arm?

Once again, someone save me lol. I can't believe I've made it this far tearing it down and putting it back together to get stuck on the very last thing I need to do.
Tylorwashere is offline   Reply With Quote


Old April 20th, 2018, 04:58 PM   #33
adouglas
Cat herder
 
adouglas's Avatar
 
Name: Gort
Location: A secret lair which, being secret, has an undisclosed location
Join Date: May 2009

Motorcycle(s): Aprilia RS660

Posts: A lot.
Blog Entries: 6
MOTM - Jul '18, Nov '16, Aug '14, May '13
Are the cush drive rubbers missing? (part 92075 in the image above)

That would explain being able to wobble the sprocket around.

According to the parts diagram above, the axle should go in from right to left as seen from the rear of the bike. Nut on the sprocket side.

Image of chain adjuster orientation for the 2005 Ninjette below...

__________________________________________________
I am NOT an adrenaline junkie, I'm a skill junkie. - csmith12

Nam et ipsa scientia potestas est.
Heri historia. Cras mysterium. Hodie donum est. Carpe diem.
adouglas is offline   Reply With Quote


Old April 20th, 2018, 05:59 PM   #34
adouglas
Cat herder
 
adouglas's Avatar
 
Name: Gort
Location: A secret lair which, being secret, has an undisclosed location
Join Date: May 2009

Motorcycle(s): Aprilia RS660

Posts: A lot.
Blog Entries: 6
MOTM - Jul '18, Nov '16, Aug '14, May '13
If you're tightening the nut all the way down and the wheel is binding, there's definitely something missing. The purpose of the spacers is to keep that from happening.

Get specific.

Take a look at the image of the wheel above, which shows all the various spacers and bearings. Are you ABSOLUTELY SURE that EVERY ONE is accounted for and in the right place?

From right to left looking from the rear of the bike, you should have:

- 92027A, spacer with shoulder. This is directly under the head of the axle bolt.
- 92049, which looks like a dust cover
- 601B bearing, which has a circlip (92033) holding it in
- 92143 axle tube
- 601 axle bearing (with 671 O ring)
- 42036 spacer that fits inside the sprocket carrier
- 601A sprocket carrier bearing
- 92052 washer
- 92027 spacer

and the nut.

That's no fewer than nine things the bolt goes through, not counting the adjusters, swing arm, wheel and sprocket carrier.

Can you for absolute sure account for all of them?
__________________________________________________
I am NOT an adrenaline junkie, I'm a skill junkie. - csmith12

Nam et ipsa scientia potestas est.
Heri historia. Cras mysterium. Hodie donum est. Carpe diem.
adouglas is offline   Reply With Quote


Old April 20th, 2018, 06:33 PM   #35
Tylorwashere
ninjette.org member
 
Name: Tylor
Location: Michigan
Join Date: Aug 2017

Motorcycle(s): 2005 Ninja 250

Posts: 78





Those were the only spacers on the outside of the hub. I guess I'll take the hub apart tomorrow and see what's inside
Tylorwashere is offline   Reply With Quote


Old April 20th, 2018, 07:08 PM   #36
adouglas
Cat herder
 
adouglas's Avatar
 
Name: Gort
Location: A secret lair which, being secret, has an undisclosed location
Join Date: May 2009

Motorcycle(s): Aprilia RS660

Posts: A lot.
Blog Entries: 6
MOTM - Jul '18, Nov '16, Aug '14, May '13
You're sharing photos incorrectly. On Photobucket select the "direct" link and insert it using the image button here (the little yellow square with a pic of a mountain in it). Then they'll show up.

I went to the pages. One just shows your tail light. The other shows two spacers and an axle adjuster but nothing else.

No indication of which side of the swing arm those were pulled from, or in what order everything was assembled. No context.

Take a look at the exploded view of the wheel above... which spacers do you think those are, based on appearance? That image has everything you need to know to tell what order things go in and where they're located.
__________________________________________________
I am NOT an adrenaline junkie, I'm a skill junkie. - csmith12

Nam et ipsa scientia potestas est.
Heri historia. Cras mysterium. Hodie donum est. Carpe diem.
adouglas is offline   Reply With Quote


Old April 20th, 2018, 09:34 PM   #37
DannoXYZ
ninjette.org certified postwhore
 
Name: AKA JacRyann
Location: Mesa, AZ
Join Date: Dec 2011

Motorcycle(s): CB125T CBR250R-MC19 CBR250RR-MC22 NSR350R-MC21 VF500F CBR600RR SFV650 VFR750F R1M ST1300PA Valkyrie-F6C

Posts: A lot.
MOTY - 2018, MOTM - Nov '17
Make sure the spacer 42036 between sprocket carrier and hub isn't reversed.
DannoXYZ is offline   Reply With Quote


Old April 21st, 2018, 03:36 AM   #38
Tylorwashere
ninjette.org member
 
Name: Tylor
Location: Michigan
Join Date: Aug 2017

Motorcycle(s): 2005 Ninja 250

Posts: 78
Yeah sorry about the uploading thing, I tried using the button but I don't think it likes me doing it from my phone or something. Those are 92027 and 92027a, I was showing them to show that they were there. I haven't gotten the hub apart, but from the exploded view and what I can see from looking into it, it's all there. ( the bearings have no play, dust covers are there, etc.)

My biggest concern is that the axle tube has play inside the hub. Is that normal?
Tylorwashere is offline   Reply With Quote


Old April 21st, 2018, 04:08 AM   #39
adouglas
Cat herder
 
adouglas's Avatar
 
Name: Gort
Location: A secret lair which, being secret, has an undisclosed location
Join Date: May 2009

Motorcycle(s): Aprilia RS660

Posts: A lot.
Blog Entries: 6
MOTM - Jul '18, Nov '16, Aug '14, May '13
Quote:
Originally Posted by DannoXYZ View Post
Make sure the spacer 42036 between sprocket carrier and hub isn't reversed.
Good one. That might explain why the sprocket wobbles.
__________________________________________________
I am NOT an adrenaline junkie, I'm a skill junkie. - csmith12

Nam et ipsa scientia potestas est.
Heri historia. Cras mysterium. Hodie donum est. Carpe diem.
adouglas is offline   Reply With Quote


Old April 21st, 2018, 09:32 AM   #40
DannoXYZ
ninjette.org certified postwhore
 
Name: AKA JacRyann
Location: Mesa, AZ
Join Date: Dec 2011

Motorcycle(s): CB125T CBR250R-MC19 CBR250RR-MC22 NSR350R-MC21 VF500F CBR600RR SFV650 VFR750F R1M ST1300PA Valkyrie-F6C

Posts: A lot.
MOTY - 2018, MOTM - Nov '17
Quote:
Originally Posted by Tylorwashere View Post
My biggest concern is that the axle tube has play inside the hub. Is that normal?
Perfectly normal. When you slide the axle inside the tube, it stops moving. Tightening the axle nut pinches both bearings onto tube and everything's fixed in place.

As mentioned, you may be missing a washer or spacer or they may be in wrong order or flipped. Remove everything and lay in order of how they go onto axle and see how it compares to diagram.
DannoXYZ is offline   Reply With Quote


Reply




Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
Wider tire in the back? salcuta88 2008 - 2012 Ninja 250R Tech Talk 34 October 4th, 2014 02:11 PM
Kissed someones back bumper with my front tire this morning YORCHI !%@*#$%!)@#&!%@ I crashed! 11 November 23rd, 2012 05:50 PM
Quick stop and felt the bike tire start to fishtail back and forth Hitman General Motorcycling Discussion 23 June 20th, 2011 06:22 AM
Different front and back tire. good idea or not? sudapuff 1986 - 2007 Ninja 250R Tech Talk 0 October 26th, 2010 12:35 AM
[roadracingworld.com] - Bridgestone Looks Back On First Season As MotoGP Control Tire Ninjette Newsbot Motorcycling News 0 November 25th, 2009 09:22 AM


Thread Tools

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off

Forum Jump


Motorcycle Safety Foundation

All times are GMT -7. The time now is 08:39 AM.


Website uptime monitoring Host-tracker.com
Powered by vBulletin®
Copyright ©2000 - 2024, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
User Alert System provided by Advanced User Tagging (Lite) - vBulletin Mods & Addons Copyright © 2024 DragonByte Technologies Ltd.
Except where otherwise noted, all site contents are © Copyright 2022 ninjette.org, All rights reserved.