2 4 12 rule

allanoue · June 18th, 2013, 08:44 AM

got this email from my insurance company
not spam... except the logo

BRad704 · June 24th, 2013, 10:18 AM

His makeup was beautiful.. really accentuates his features...

Good info though. Sometimes I forget about the 2 second rule.

dfox · June 24th, 2013, 12:02 PM

common sense driving that should have been taught by parents. astounding to me that adults need this education.

don't forget, 2 second following distance isn't enough if you're being tailgated or followed too closely.

alex.s · June 24th, 2013, 12:16 PM

good info for a car. not accurate when on a motorcycle.

allanoue · June 24th, 2013, 12:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by alex.s

good info for a car. not accurate when on a motorcycle.

More please sir

alex.s · June 24th, 2013, 12:33 PM

2 second following distance is fine idea if you are not around many other vehicles. like in the middle of nowhere on a 2 lane road with very little traffic in the middle of the day. in all other conditions, it is too far. especially when 90% of vehicles maintain a shorter following distance. this means you create a gap in front of you. a gap that people want to be in. cars don't see you. at night, you can't see anything either, use the presence and lights of another car to insure people don't randomly smash you. they even mention this in the MSF. people see cars, they don't see bikes. when using the presence of another car however, not only do you need to pay attention to what that car/driver is about to do (where are they looking, how are their hands positioned on the steering wheel, what are they actually paying attention to?) but you need to pay attention to what their openings are. if someone fell off a bridge and landed in front of them, where are they going to swerve? etc. this requires you to maintain several alternative exits should something bad happen. tires kick **** up so you don't want to be directly behind their tire (you'll get pelted by rocks and ****) and staying on the inside means you have more distance that you have to move to get out of their way if you need to split. plus sitting on the inside of their wheel base means its harder to see objects in the road that you will need to avoid that they can simply pass over. so, ideally, you would be in #3 position within your lane, on the outside of the car in front of you's rear wheel when using a cars presence. think of it kinda like skitching.
4 seconds ahead scanning for immediate hazards? no. stop being a lazy sightless inattentive car driver. you notice everything in front of you as far as you can see. if you can't handle that don't drive in such a complicated environment. this means that the whole "12 second" thing is also crap because you are already paying attention to it in a more detailed way. like the guy said, do you need to sit and stare at something? no. you need regular updates about the changes that it makes. your mind is good at interpretting changes, not static unchanging fields. look at something, then LOOK AT SOMETHING ELSE. when you go back to check on the first thing again, you still remember where it was before and guess what. you notice the change more dramatically than if you had just been staring at it, plus you get the benefit of having also been checking out how many other things at the same time?

tl;dr: if you are going to be lazy- then avoid being anywhere near hazards. however when you have to ride near hazards, you cannot remain being lazy.

jmdavis · June 29th, 2013, 05:29 PM

Sounds exactly like what MSF and Evergreen teach and what I was told in an Experienced Rider Course today.

June 18th, 2013, 08:44 AM	#1
allanoue ninjette.org certified postwhore Name: Al Location: York, Pa Join Date: Dec 2012 Motorcycle(s): 2013 Ninja 300..............2008 Ninja 500-sold...2009 Ninja 250-Crashed Posts: Too much. MOTM - Sep '14	2 4 12 rule got this email from my insurance company not spam... except the logo Link to original page on YouTube.

June 24th, 2013, 10:18 AM	#2
BRad704 Big Dreams, Small Wallet Name: Brad Location: Memphis, TN Join Date: Feb 2013 Motorcycle(s): 08 Ninja 250R (Sold), 93 VFR750F (In Pieces) Posts: 508	His makeup was beautiful.. really accentuates his features... Good info though. Sometimes I forget about the 2 second rule. __________________________________________________ ~BRad

June 24th, 2013, 12:16 PM	#4
alex.s wat Name: wat Location: tustin/long beach Join Date: Sep 2009 Motorcycle(s): wat Posts: Too much. Blog Entries: 5 MOTM - Oct '12, Feb '14	good info for a car. not accurate when on a motorcycle. __________________________________________________

June 24th, 2013, 12:33 PM	#6
alex.s wat Name: wat Location: tustin/long beach Join Date: Sep 2009 Motorcycle(s): wat Posts: Too much. Blog Entries: 5 MOTM - Oct '12, Feb '14	2 second following distance is fine idea if you are not around many other vehicles. like in the middle of nowhere on a 2 lane road with very little traffic in the middle of the day. in all other conditions, it is too far. especially when 90% of vehicles maintain a shorter following distance. this means you create a gap in front of you. a gap that people want to be in. cars don't see you. at night, you can't see anything either, use the presence and lights of another car to insure people don't randomly smash you. they even mention this in the MSF. people see cars, they don't see bikes. when using the presence of another car however, not only do you need to pay attention to what that car/driver is about to do (where are they looking, how are their hands positioned on the steering wheel, what are they actually paying attention to?) but you need to pay attention to what their openings are. if someone fell off a bridge and landed in front of them, where are they going to swerve? etc. this requires you to maintain several alternative exits should something bad happen. tires kick ** up so you don't want to be directly behind their tire (you'll get pelted by rocks and **) and staying on the inside means you have more distance that you have to move to get out of their way if you need to split. plus sitting on the inside of their wheel base means its harder to see objects in the road that you will need to avoid that they can simply pass over. so, ideally, you would be in #3 position within your lane, on the outside of the car in front of you's rear wheel when using a cars presence. think of it kinda like skitching. 4 seconds ahead scanning for immediate hazards? no. stop being a lazy sightless inattentive car driver. you notice everything in front of you as far as you can see. if you can't handle that don't drive in such a complicated environment. this means that the whole "12 second" thing is also crap because you are already paying attention to it in a more detailed way. like the guy said, do you need to sit and stare at something? no. you need regular updates about the changes that it makes. your mind is good at interpretting changes, not static unchanging fields. look at something, then LOOK AT SOMETHING ELSE. when you go back to check on the first thing again, you still remember where it was before and guess what. you notice the change more dramatically than if you had just been staring at it, plus you get the benefit of having also been checking out how many other things at the same time? tl;dr: if you are going to be lazy- then avoid being anywhere near hazards. however when you have to ride near hazards, you cannot remain being lazy. __________________________________________________
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June 24th, 2013, 12:02 PM	#3
dfox ninjette.org sage Name: Fox Location: Boston Join Date: May 2012 Motorcycle(s): 08 250R Posts: 881	common sense driving that should have been taught by parents. astounding to me that adults need this education. don't forget, 2 second following distance isn't enough if you're being tailgated or followed too closely.

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jmdavis ninjette.org newbie Name: Mike Location: Richmond VA Join Date: Jun 2013 Motorcycle(s): Ural Posts: 1	Sounds exactly like what MSF and Evergreen teach and what I was told in an Experienced Rider Course today.