20 Question Permit Test

[nickjpass]

My birthday is nearing, and am have been studying both the drivers manual and motorcyclists manual (both the states and MSF's). So, my main concern is, what will be on the test? Will it just be simple stuff like "What sign is red and white?" - which is a real question off of the drivers test. Or will it be a question on how to ride a motorcycle, or identifying for example, the throttle or brakes?

I really don't know what is going to be on the small test.


Thanks a bunch!!!

[alex.s]

the permit test is easy. you'll do fine. its very basic stuff. typical road usage questions. iirc they let you retake it 3 times

[nickjpass]

In NY you can take the test unlimited times, but the actual driving test is limited to five. If you fail the test, you can walk in again and take it again lol

[massacremasses]

its stupid easy.

[nickjpass]

Alright. All that studying for nothing

not really...

[massacremasses]

Its mostly common sense. Its good to read it over once or twice but thats really all thats needed imo

[nickjpass]

Good. I did it more than that, I should be well prepared !!

[WhiteRice]

All the questions should be from your state dmv manual; focus on the motorcycle and dui chapters.

[ally99]

Good luck, Nick!

[Malicious Logic]

Yeah, it's pretty easy man. For mine, I kept putting it off until the last second and then the night before, I just sat down and really read through the manual and soaked in what I was reading. I love motorcycles so it wasn't that hard to get interested, ya know? And then I just had my wife ask me the little self test questions at the end of each chapter/section. Did that process once and then went in the next morning and aced the test. If you've studied it as well as you said, you should be fine.

Good luck! and let us know how you did.

[nickjpass]

Alright. I know more than the manual has to offer.

[C L]

I had a question on there that asked what I should do in a turn if I needed to brake. I put down straighten up then brake. I got that one wrong and the answer was Slowly apply brakes. This was in Michigan and might be different in NY.

[nickjpass]

I believe mine tells me to slowly apply rear brakes. I believe only experienced riders should do that.

I don't know if the guy locked his rear brake, but either way, he took flight!

Link to original page on YouTube.

[n4mwd]

That guy locked his rears and then high sided. When making turns at speed you should never hit the brakes unless its an emergency. The same rule applies to shifting. I'm not sure what happened in the video as it could have been either brakes or shifting that caused the problem.

So to corner, if you are going too fast, slow down before you enter the turn, then take your foot off the brake (as long as you didn't lock it up). If you lock the front wheel, release it immediately. If you lock the rear, the best thing is to just keep it locked until you come to a stop. There are other ways to get out of a rear slide, but coming to a full stop works most of the time and is probably what is on the test.

In an emergency, you can slowly apply both brakes (mostly the front). Keep in mind that if you start to skid in a turn, bad things will sometimes happen (see video).

In the MSF course, they teach you to abort turns by straightening up and then applying the brakes. But its very seldom that you would actually do it that way in the real world. The reason is that you would probably run right into the path of a car coming the other way.

When turning, don't forget to keep one eye looking down your turn path and the other watching the pavement for loose gravel/dirt/etc.. Depending on what you see, you may have to adjust your path.

I've had to do an emergency stop before. I just slowly applied the brakes. I had the green arrow and a stupid cager decided to make a U-turn right in front of me. I was only doing about 40 and came to a complete stop about 6" from his POS. Then I looked up and saw him just yacking on the cell phone completely oblivious to the fact that he nearly killed someone. He never stopped or even acknowledged that I was there.

[Alex]

Originally Posted by nickjpass

I don't know if the guy locked his rear brake, but either way, he took flight!

Originally Posted by n4mwd

That guy locked his rears and then high sided. When making turns at speed you should never hit the brakes unless its an emergency. The same rule applies to shifting. I'm not sure what happened in the video as it could have been either brakes or shifting that caused the problem.

The rider lost it under power when getting on the gas too early while still at too significant a lean angle. The rear started to spin up and he lost control as it drifted outward.

[n4mwd]

Originally Posted by Alex

The rider lost it under power when getting on the gas too early while still at too significant a lean angle. The rear started to spin up and he lost control as it drifted outward.

Add that to the list of ways to screw up a turn. Too much or to little throttle can cause trouble in a turn.

When I saw the solid black rubber trail, I didn't think it was a spin up but if the bike is powerful enough, I suppose it could.

[Alex]

Yup, it doesn't really take much power when it's leaned over that far. He's still all the way over on his knee after the apex, and he gets on the gas too early and too fast, which adds even more lean angle when the rear starts to break away. The bike sure took a fun flipping ride though, didn't it! Looked like an expensive repair bill.

[nickjpass]

That was one of the top comments

[n4mwd]

Here's a similar one that I don't get at all. He doesn't look like he is leaned over that much, nor does his back tire look locked, but over he goes.

Link to original page on YouTube.

[Alex]

Originally Posted by n4mwd

Here's a similar one that I don't get at all.

We started to discuss that one in this thread, but I thought it was in another decent thread as well. Poor throttle control, less than great surface, and more lean angle than necessary. Edit: Found it, another discussion on same video.

[nickjpass]

So, nine days. Anyone have any basic questions that you could test me with?

[choneofakind]

http://freedmvpracticetests.com/

[nickjpass]

Thank you...now I need more!

[nickjpass]

This one puzzled me. It's "A" right?


To Safely ride with a passenger you must:

A) Have at least a 750cc engine.
B) Add extra air to your rear tire to compensate for the added weight.
C) Make sure they have their own seat and foot pegs.

[rusninja]

lmao you need a busa atleast for two up.

[heylookitsfranco]

what's the best way to deal with a tailgater?

a) speed up a little to increase distance between you and the tailgater
b) slow down to open up space in front of you
c) change nothing, as you can't change other motorists' behavior
d) ride alongside him and punch in his window, then sleep with his wife.

hint: don't stress about it lol

[n4mwd]

Originally Posted by nickjpass

This one puzzled me. It's "A" right?


To Safely ride with a passenger you must:

A) Have at least a 750cc engine.
B) Add extra air to your rear tire to compensate for the added weight.
C) Make sure they have their own seat and foot pegs.

C

Originally Posted by heylookitsfranco

what's the best way to deal with a tailgater?

a) speed up a little to increase distance between you and the tailgater
b) slow down to open up space in front of you
c) change nothing, as you can't change other motorists' behavior
d) ride alongside him and punch in his window, then sleep with his wife.

hint: don't stress about it lol

I like D.

I think there were some harder ones in there such as what you need to do when its raining and you have to cross the railroad tracks.

[n4mwd]

Crossing wet railroad tracks...

Hint: Rubber tires slide easily on wet steel. So anytime its raining and you have to run over something made of steel, you need to be extra careful. The same is true of plastic things like road reflectors and even painted signs on the road (i.e.-"Ahead Stop", etc.). The center portion of the lane, known as the "grease strip" also gets very slippery when wet.

When crossing RR tracks in general, you need to be aware of the angle of intersection. If they cross at less than 45 degrees (more parallel than not), you have to do a jig on the bike so that you cross at a safer angle. Otherwise, just run them over.

Then there is steel grates on bridges. Its best to just go in a straight line over those and let the bike go where it wants. The bike will wiggle as it crosses, but it will go mostly straight. If you try to go at an angle, the grates will throw you around. Not fun at all.

[nickjpass]

I think you have to open a space up.

[n4mwd]

The correct answer isn't listed. You should pull over to the rightmost part of the lane, or change lanes if possible, and let the idiot pass you.

That's the answer the DMV wants.

But if you have a bully tailgater, your response is different. Bully tailgaters won't pass you no matter what. Each situation is different, but they rarely understand how dangerous it is for you. In their case, if speeding up will solve the problem, then do it, but if not, you'll need to stop or turn off until they pass. In most cases, you can out accelerate a tailgater, but they can still catch you if they try. You can use that to your advantage.

[nickjpass]

Okay, that's what I thought. I was confused and picked the best answer.

[heylookitsfranco]

actually on my DMV exam, the correct answer was open up space in front of you. for the exam, you gotta study what they want exactly. you might have a logically better answer, but if it's not the one they're looking for, they won't take it. There's no room for explanation on the exam. I agree, some circumstances call for speeding up, but that's not what the DMV wants to hear (the cop that pulled me over didn't really wanna hear it either. grr) . c'est la vie

[Compooky]

My permit test had some wierd questions. Such as; starting at what time is it necessary to wear a helmet when riding a bicycle?

[heylookitsfranco]

also the question may have been more specific--like "What is the best way to deal with a tailgater on a two lane road with intermittent dashed yellow lines."

I agree, moving over is probably the best option. just be careful when you pull into the next lane. a lot of the tailgaters 'round here have no problem passing on the right. if their car is fast enough, I'll just let em do it instead of risking a cluster****

[alex.s]

Originally Posted by nickjpass

I believe mine tells me to slowly apply rear brakes. I believe only experienced riders should do that.

I don't know if the guy locked his rear brake, but either way, he took flight!

Link to original page on YouTube.

he didnt use any brakes. he was under heavy power out of the turn. the reason he lost it was because he screwed his line up, had to pick the bike up to miss the curb, then pushed it back down... he was already at his limit but he pushed it even farther when he readjusted his line for the second time and his rear broke loose. he shoould have kept with his second adjustment to miss the curb. might have gone wide or even off but thats better than what happened. of course hind sight is always 20/20...

this is why books like twist of the wrist tell you to set your line and keep it. the more changes you make, the worse off you are going to be. especially under power.


edit: looking back actually it looks like his bike picked up from getting on the gas then he pushed it back down breaking it loose... its hard to tell without a view of his throttle



just remember. 99% of the time, doing nothing, or adding gas fixes the problem.

[choneofakind]

Originally Posted by alex.s

this is why books like twist of the wrist tell you to set your line and keep it. the more changes you make, the worse off you are going to be. especially under power.

just remember. 99% of the time, doing nothing, or adding gas fixes the problem.

Where can I get a copy of this book? or is it a dvd?

[alex.s]

maybe a book store, library or your local pdf pirating station? there is a video for twist of the wrist 2. theres other great books that have similar info but they disagree in a few subtleties. recently read "performance riding techniques" which is more for track riding than street riding, but its a great book as well.

i would send you the pdfs, but i dont have them anymore... i am supposed to send the squirell a copy but ive been so busy i havent had time to go steal more copies. sorry peeps, gotta do it on your own for now.

[blink]

how to shift, lane positioning, nothing hard

[n4mwd]

Originally Posted by heylookitsfranco

actually on my DMV exam, the correct answer was open up space in front of you. for the exam, you gotta study what they want exactly. you might have a logically better answer, but if it's not the one they're looking for, they won't take it. There's no room for explanation on the exam. I agree, some circumstances call for speeding up, but that's not what the DMV wants to hear (the cop that pulled me over didn't really wanna hear it either. grr) . c'est la vie

Yes, that's true. You want to give them the answer they are looking for. Opening up space in front of you is more of a car move than a motorcycle move. Doing so gives you more time to react if someone in front of you stops quick which means you can stop slower and give the idiot behind you more time to react.

But the reality is that if you are in a car, and a guy tailgates you, and he is driving a nice car, and you are driving a POS, then slam on the brakes. When he hits you, his insurance will have to buy you a new car and write you a big check. But if you are on a motorcycle, he only has to pay for funeral expenses.

[nickjpass]

@n4mwd C'est la vie..