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Old September 30th, 2012, 06:41 AM   #1
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Time to talk about what 300 parts fit previous models!

I'm curious about what 300/2013 250 parts fits the previous Ninjette models. Kawasaki plans a lot of farkles for this one too.

If anyone can clarify these, I'd be thankful:
Fitted tank bag? The tanks are clearly different but still a very similar general shape. I guess it depends on hot "fitted" it is.
Engine/frame protectors? The engine does mount differently (rubber) and the fairings are very different, but I'm still curious. Strange that Kawi sells these!
Sprocket cover? I've seen the J/K series one on a '86/'87 model here, so it seems to have had a long fitment run over many styles. This one has fewer bolts though.
Engine cases covers? Ninja250.org has instructions for swapping '86/'87 with '88-'07 stator covers and said the clutch covers between previous gens swapped without modification. While I doubt the clutch covers are that easy this time around, perhaps the whole FCC slipper clutch can be transferred.
Wider rear tire? Seems that it could Plug 'n' Play with the J/K bike. Does it? Front no longer has a mechanical speedometer cable so spacers and such might make it harder to swap.
Rearsets? These have been swappable for the longest time, so I do wonder if the new style can be swapped. They swap.
Rear tire hugger? The swingarms look identical to me, though it may have a new mounting hole or two.
Handlebars/triple? These look identical but, well, confirmation would be good.

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Handlebars and triples confirmed to be the same Kawasaki part number below. Controls have obvious changes (no choke, differently-shaped levers, passing light, etc) but lever perches are the same. The RH control box is the same.
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I went out and bought a 300 today. When I got home I had to confirm a couple of things.
My first suspicion was that was mostly unchanged that the rearsets would be the same. I had my factory rearsets from my 250 laying around so I decided to try them out. They bolted up perfectly. This means that any aftermarket rearsets made for the 08-12 250R should work. The upper fork tubes also measure out the exact same so aftermarket clipons will also work.
I still have to check the exhaust, air filter and rear suspension. I have a feeling they will all be the same way. I'll keep you updated.

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Old September 30th, 2012, 07:57 AM   #3
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Looks like the clip-ons and rearsets will fit for sure.
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I hope the clutch and brake levers fit cause I just bought some for my 300 from the the2wheels. I got the CNC Folding Extendable Clutch Brake Levers. I will update in regards once received
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Using same small magnetic tankbag on new bike. Tank shape is a little different, more rounded when viewed from the side, with less of a flat surface for the bag to sit on. The one I use is small enough and flexible enough that all of the magnets can still retain a good grip on the metal tank. Very glad they still are using a completely metal tank rather than half covering it with plastic like some other sportbikes.

Swingarm might be similar, but the new-gen swingarm would have to be modified in some way to allow for the hugger to attach. There are two holes that it screws into directly on the flat center part on the 2013's, along with the mounts over the chain.
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Using same small magnetic tankbag on new bike. Tank shape is a little different, more rounded when viewed from the side, with less of a flat surface for the bag to sit on. The one I use is small enough and flexible enough that all of the magnets can still retain a good grip on the metal tank. Very glad they still are using a completely metal tank rather than half covering it with plastic like some other sportbikes.

Swingarm might be similar, but the new-gen swingarm would have to be modified in some way to allow for the hugger to attach. There are two holes that it screws into directly on the flat center part on the 2013's, along with the mounts over the chain.
Good info. Thanks. I was specifically wondering about the optional Kawi tank bag but I doubt it's available yet for anyone to know. I don't know if it's magnetic or not.
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what about the position of the motor mounts????!
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Its more important what aftermarket parts fit the 300.

Need to order rearsets and bars.

(And get akrapovic or fmf cracking on a full system, some race glass, and Bazazz to do their thang)
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It will be interesting to see how rearsets are on this bike. They should hopefully help the one quirk with this bike in that on the exhaust side your heel tends to be right on the exhaust can unless your riding straight up.
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It will be interesting to see how rearsets are on this bike. They should hopefully help the one quirk with this bike in that on the exhaust side your heel tends to be right on the exhaust can unless your riding straight up.
Happening with the balls of your feet up on the pegs?
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Happening with the balls of your feet up on the pegs?

No more when your on the front flat of the foot right before the toes or of course when on your toes. I tend to move my feet around....
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I hope the clutch and brake levers fit cause I just bought some for my 300 from the the2wheels.

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Anyone?
This is the reply I received from the2wheels:
I am not suprised they said that because they probably dont have a 300 there to compare. As far as I can tell the 250 and 300 control are the same but I guess I am who will find out real quick. Mine shipped the other day.
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I am not suprised they said that because they probably dont have a 300 there to compare. As far as I can tell the 250 and 300 control are the same but I guess I am who will find out real quick. Mine shipped the other day.
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It will either be a DIY or a For Sale Thread Lol if it doesn't work....
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lol, the other issue is that if you replace the MC, with say a brembo, that may effect the lever system again as well. I'll have to look into this, as I hate doing a mod that's eventually obsolete based on another mod. . . .
I don't suppose anyone knows if a Brembo 18/19 MC would work on the 300?
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lol, the other issue is that if you replace the MC, with say a brembo, that may effect the lever system again as well. I'll have to look into this, as I hate doing a mod that's eventually obsolete based on another mod. . . .
I don't suppose anyone knows if a Brembo 18/19 MC would work on the 300?
What are the perks of this mod?
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OK, I compared the parts diagrams between the 2012 EX250J and the 2013 EX300 and made the following observations:

The front fender may swap, but it wouldn't be a flawless swap. Looking at the metal stay fender mount, (35030-0006 on J-series, 35030-0055 on 300), it appears largely the same except for a few obvious differences. The Ninja 300R doesn't have the routing for the brake and speedometer cables, but that likely wouldn't affect fender fitment. The left fork has obviously changed due to no longer mounting a speedometer gear but, eyeballing the diagram, the lowest fender stay mounting point looks higher than on J-series. It probably wouldn't be needed (especially with the two bolts on top), but the unused mount point might look funny even if you trim the part of the stay that protrudes down to it. Eyeballing the fender, it seems that the fins don't protrude as far down the forks as they once did. It makes sense because those fins are supposed to protect non-existent USD fork tubes, but the look still went a long way to making it look like a supersport. Even if we don't have USD forks, I actually like the J-series fender design better anyway.

The upper triple clamp is the same part number (44039-0056-18R). Unless the fairings, windscreen, gauges, or inner shroud changed enough to interfere, it should fit any related clip-ons or accessories from the J-series.

Brake levers are exactly the same part (46092-0028). The entire cylinder, reservoir, lever, etc are exactly the same (43015-0110).

Front axle is the same (41068-0024) but spacers and forks are likely different due to elimination of speedometer gear and new brake setup, so don't expect a straight swap unless swapping forks and using an alternative speed pickup (Koso gauge magnetic pickup, for example). Rear axle is also exactly the same (41068-1223). That alone certainly won't tell us if that means the rear tire will bolt on with no changes, but you'd want a matching front wheel anyway.

As expected, the left and right handlebars (39058-0007-18R and 39058-0008-18R) are identical.

Strangely, the left-hand grip part number has changed from 46075-1144 to 46075-0564 despite the style looking the same and it obviously going on the same handlebars. The right-hand control housing/assembly is the exact same (46091-0205) but the throttle assembly has changed from 46019-0001 on the EX250J to 46019-0060 on the EX300. My guess is that the grip length changed slightly. That shouldn't matter if you slide some things around on the handlebars. Worst case scenario is spacing your bar-ends, getting new bar ends, or drilling new holes for the pegs in the controls and perches.

The clutch lever *has* changed from 46092-0030 to 46092-0043, but the perch and pivot bolts stay the same (13280-0295 and 92154-0066), so it's almost guaranteed to fit. It could be something as trivial as it now being knurled, painted differently, shaped with finger indentations or the length could be ever so slightly different to match the theorized grip length changes. Remember: The left-hand control housing should use less space due to no longer needing a choke lever. I'm actually curious now if these are the same part numbers from the EX250K (2008-2012 FI/Euro-spec Ninja 250R).

The owner's tool kit now comes with one less allen wrench, one less Phillips blade (no #3PH), and no spark plug tool (16MM).

Kawasaki shows Dunlop Arrowmax GT501 tires for the 2012 model EX250, which was only stock on some 2008 bikes so I can't confirm the part number difference for the 110/70/17 front tire (reviewers say Kawi claims tire was reformulated or made stickier). In case anyone else can find the Kawi part number for the IRC RoadWinner front 110/70/17 front on the EX250, the EX300 part number is 41009-0514.

In case anyone was wondering if their 300 will need a new shim kit for valve jobs: valve shims have the same part numbers for the same thicknesses, so they are the same diameter. No, I'm not going to list the part numbers for each size.
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OK, I compared the parts diagrams between the 2012 EX250J and the 2013 EX300 and made the following observations:

The front fender may swap, but it wouldn't be a flawless swap. Looking at the metal stay fender mount, (35030-0006 on J-series, 35030-0055 on 300), it appears largely the same except for a few obvious differences. The Ninja 300R doesn't have the routing for the brake and speedometer cables, but that likely wouldn't affect fender fitment. The left fork has obviously changed due to no longer mounting a speedometer gear but, eyeballing the diagram, the lowest fender stay mounting point looks higher than on J-series. It probably wouldn't be needed (especially with the two bolts on top), but the unused mount point might look funny even if you trim the parts of the stay that protrudes down to it. Eyeballing the fender, it seems that the fins don't protrude as far down the forks as they once did. It makes sense because those fins are supposed to protect USD fork tubes, but the look still went a long way to making it look like a supersport. Even if we don't have USD forks, I actually like the J-series fender design better anyway.

The upper triple clamp is the same part number (44039-0056-18R). Unless the fairings, windscreen, gauges, or inner shroud changed enough to interfere, it should fit any related clip-ons or accessories from the J-series.

Brake levers are exactly the same part (46092-0028). The entire cylinder, reservoir, lever, etc are exactly the same (43015-0110).

Front axle is the same (41068-0024) but spacers and forks are likely different due to elimination of speedometer gear and new brake setup, so don't expect a straight swap unless swapping forks and using an alternative speed pickup (Koso gauge magnetic pickup, for example). Rear axle is also exactly the same (41068-1223). That alone certainly won't tell us if that means the rear tire will bolt on with no changes, but you'd want a matching front wheel anyway.

As expected, the left and right handlebars (39058-0007-18R and 39058-0008-18R) are identical.

Strangely, the left-hand grip part number has changed from 46075-1144 to 46075-0564 despite the style looking the same and it obviously going on the same handlebars. The right-hand control housing/assembly is the exact same (46091-0205) but the throttle assembly has changed from 46019-0001 on the EX250J to 46019-0060 on the EX300. My guess is that the grip length changed slightly. That shouldn't matter if you slide some things around on the handlebars. Worst case scenario is spacing your bar-ends, getting new bar ends, or drilling new holes for the pegs in the controls and perches.

The clutch lever *has* changed from 46092-0030 to 46092-0043, but the perch and pivot bolts stay the same (13280-0295 and 92154-0066), so it's almost guaranteed to fit. It could be something as trivial as it now being knurled, painted differently, shaped with finger indentations or the length could be ever so slightly different to match the theorized grip length changes. Remember: The left-hand control housing should use less space due to no longer needing a choke lever. I'm actually curious now if these are the same part numbers from the EX250K (FI/Euro-spec Ninja 250R).

The owner's tool kit now comes with one less allen wrench, one less Phillips blade (no #3PH), and no spark plug tool (16MM).

Kawasaki shows Dunlop Arrowmax GT501 tires for the 2012 model EX250, which was only stock on some 2008 bikes so I can't confirm the part number difference for the 110/70/17 front tire (reviewers say Kawi claims tire was reformulated or made stickier). In case anyone else can find the Kawi part number for the IRC RoadWinner front 110/70/17 front on the EX250, the EX300 part number is 41009-0514.

In case anyone was wondering if their 300 will need a new shim kit for valve jobs: valve shims have the same part numbers for the same thicknesses, so they are the same diameter. No, I'm not going to list the part numbers for each size.
I didn't realize they hosted the diagram finally for the 300 wooohaaa thank you. The clutch lever is a different part because it is a different shape so the reach is shorter from what I understand so this means both levers I ordered will work perfectly. Woohaaaaaa again......
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It will be interesting to see how rearsets are on this bike. They should hopefully help the one quirk with this bike in that on the exhaust side your heel tends to be right on the exhaust can unless your riding straight up.
If the balls of your feet are on the pegs, like they would be when racing, your heel shouldn't touch the pipe. If you put your arches on the pegs and you are sitting back in the seat with your feet really flat your heel can touch the heat shield.

I don't feel the heat shield while riding and in 700 miles I have only bumped the heat shield a couple times with my heel. My 600 has undertail exhuast so this is new to me lol
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If the balls of your feet are on the pegs, like they would be when racing, your heel shouldn't touch the pipe. If you put your arches on the pegs and you are sitting back in the seat with your feet really flat your heel can touch the heat shield.

I don't feel the heat shield while riding and in 700 miles I have only bumped the heat shield a couple times with my heel. My 600 has undertail exhuast so this is new to me lol
Agreed... I tend to move my feet around on the street for comfort more than anything and noticed how close the pipe is and my tendency to touch it. No melted parts thus far LOL and actually I am used to it more now but would like the pipe to have a bit more clearance.

As soon as the Area P full system is available I will be swapping it out for their 18" can.
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How long did it take before aftermarket stuff was available for the 08 250 after it was introduced.
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How long did it take before aftermarket stuff was available for the 08 250 after it was introduced.
We're STILL waiting for some things.

Anyway, 2fiddy.com seems to be an excellent timeline of things until 2009 when it practically fell off the face of the planet.

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We're STILL waiting for some things.

Anyway, 2fiddy.com seems to be an excellent timeline of things until 2009 when it practically fell off the face of the planet.

Edit:
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http://www.2fiddy.com/page/17/
It seems like it did not take that long for the aftermarket to start rolling out their parts. Can't wait for a full Yoshi exhaust and integrated taillight. When I recieve my bike I plan on modding after break in.
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It looks like the SSR pre load adjusters from the 250 fit the 300 as well as clip ons from the 250. They are up for sale on ebay for the 300. I also believe 250 rear sets fit the 300 (not 100% though, bolt patterns look similar.) Grips and bar ends are also the same from the 250 so aftermarkets are already available. I am not sure about levers but they do look the same as the 250.

Edit: Levers are also available for the 300 on ebay from the 250 so they seem to be the same.
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It looks like the SSR pre load adjusters from the 250 fit the 300 as well as clip ons from the 250. They are up for sale on ebay for the 300. I also believe 250 rear sets fit the 300 (not 100% though, bolt patterns look similar.) Grips and bar ends are also the same from the 250 so aftermarkets are already available. I am not sure about levers but they do look the same as the 250.

Edit: Levers are also available for the 300 on ebay from the 250 so they seem to be the same.
For some reason the part numbers on the grips changed. I think that the length of the left grip changed now that there is no choke lever and the right hand changed to match. I'm very curious to know if the '08-'12 EX250K (EU-spec FI 250R) had the same part numbers. Also, the clutch and brake lever perch part numbers are the same, so we already guessed that levers would be compatible, though we already knew that the lever angle was tweaked to reduce reach, so those part numbers changed predictably.
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Old October 13th, 2012, 11:08 PM   #32
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It turns out that the EU-spec EX250K grips matched the EX250J and not the EX300. Of course, the left-hand control housing/assembly part numbers are different between EX250J (46091-0206; choke lever), EX250K (46091-0207; no choke lever), and EX300A (46091-0249; passing light lever; no choke lever).

According to the European parts diagram, the IRC tires are 41009-0251 (front 110-70-17) and 41009-0252 (rear 130-70-17). The US parts catalog has them but can't match either to any US bike models, so it seems that Kawi only offers Dunlop GT501 as the OEM tire even though they ship with IRCs. Weird. I have to wait until a Euro retailer lists the EX300 parts diagram to know if the front tire compount and part number truly changed.

The EX300's imperceptibly updated throttle assembly and left grip both match the '12/'13 ER650/EX650, and '13 KLE650 (Versys). Whatever slight update was made, it still has wide fitment and was likely changed to accommodate something for one of these other models, though it was not listed as a compatible part that supersedes the old parts as replacements. They probably wait until the old parts are out of stock to update that part of the DB, but it may be wise to wait and verify fitment of any kind of throttle-related part.
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Old October 15th, 2012, 01:12 PM   #33
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Any of you guys know whether the seat is the same from the 250r? It would be nice if it were, as then the aftermarket seats would also fit. The stocker is a little on the hard side.
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The seat is definitely different. Whether the base is the same and if it is interchangeable with the new-gens, that's a good question to resolve.
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Too bad they didn't improve the rearset mount or the frame portion, making it bit more solid.
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Tagging this thread. I'm interested in seeing if slip-ons for the 250r still fit on the 300?
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@Peanut_EOD confirmed rearset swap-ability!

Hey, @Alex: Can you edit the thread title to "Time to talk about what 300 parts fit previous models!"? If so, that'd be awesome. Thanks!
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The seat is definitely different. Whether the base is the same and if it is interchangeable with the new-gens, that's a good question to resolve.
Has anyone tried to swap seats yet?
I wanna know if the Corbin will bolt on.
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