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Old October 11th, 2019, 05:16 AM   #1
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Question Skip the varnish middle man! Get it at the pump!

Gas light was on, first thing this morning. So I pulled my cage up to the local gas station I frequent. After pumping gas for about 20 or 30 seconds, i had the strong urge to vomit. Like a warm, heavy blanket, of congealed doom was draped over me.

It was the gas. It was BAAAAAAAD. Smelled like a field of half full motorcycle tanks, and carbs sitting for 30 years, suddenly opened up all at once. In my head I imigined a glaze of gloppy, sloppy, pre-jelled petrol, convulsively heaving through the nozzle. ( not that it really was, but I dare not look at it.)

Glad it went to into my Hyundai ( that thing could probably run off of melted tongue, and stomach acid, if needed). Had it been one of the ninjas, i would have called in to work, and take a sick day to rebuild some carbs. ;D

I have never smelled bad gas, THAT overpowering. Like a skunk accidentally sprayed itself, then crawled up another skunks #$$ and died.

Uff..
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Old October 11th, 2019, 05:33 AM   #2
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Gas light was on, first thing this morning. So I pulled my cage up to the local gas station I frequent. After pumping gas for about 20 or 30 seconds, i had the strong urge to vomit. Like a warm, heavy blanket, of congealed doom was draped over me.

It was the gas. It was BAAAAAAAD. Smelled like a field of half full motorcycle tanks, and carbs sitting for 30 years, suddenly opened up all at once. In my head I imigined a glaze of gloppy, sloppy, pre-jelled petrol, convulsively heaving through the nozzle. ( not that it really was, but I dare not look at it.)

Glad it went to into my Hyundai ( that thing could probably run off of melted tongue, and stomach acid, if needed). Had it been one of the ninjas, i would have called in to work, and take a sick day to rebuild some carbs. ;D

I have never smelled bad gas, THAT overpowering. Like a skunk accidentally sprayed itself, then crawled up another skunks #$$ and died.

Uff..
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Old October 11th, 2019, 06:12 AM   #3
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Get gas from a different station.
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Old October 11th, 2019, 06:36 AM   #4
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I did. They only got a about 2 dollars worth of fuel from me.

I know it's a random rant, way out in groggy morning left field. I am one of those people that sees machines as an entity of sorts, and I just feel bad, when something neglect full happens to pristine, delicate parts. ( usually)

If this went into one of the carbureted bikes, I really would have stayed home and performed some open surgery. OCD that way..
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Old October 11th, 2019, 06:49 AM   #5
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Getting bad gas from the pump does happen.

That's why I usually suggest draining the tank and floatbowls before tearing things apart when an odd running problem pops-up out of the blue.

Good reminder.
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Old October 11th, 2019, 09:59 AM   #6
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Whenever I fill up at an AMPM my bike is always noticeably harder to start. What station was it?
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Old October 11th, 2019, 10:12 AM   #7
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It was Shell.


I don't know about Cali, but in Houston, quite a few stations have added ethanol free pumps now. None are immediately local to me. Allthough, one is about 12 miles away. I might fill up a gas can or two, and test with riding.
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Old October 11th, 2019, 02:19 PM   #8
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It was Shell.


I don't know about Cali, but in Houston, quite a few stations have added ethanol free pumps now. None are immediately local to me. Allthough, one is about 12 miles away. I might fill up a gas can or two, and test with riding.
In my fuel injected bikes and cars I notice an increase in fuel mileage. My cars get about 1.5-2 mpg better with 100% gas. But with the higher price it evens out.

Ethanol is the biggest scam
Clean burning. Really??? It builds more carbon and deposits in the engine.
And you can’t tell me it’s better for the environment. You mean to tell me we use diesel fuel to plow the fields, plant and harvest the corn. Then more diesel to truck the corn to a refinery? To mix into gasoline that then makes it get worse fuel mileage?? What a load of horse apples.
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Old October 11th, 2019, 02:46 PM   #9
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Damn corn-lobby is very powerful...
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Old October 13th, 2019, 11:41 AM   #10
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Eeeewww! That sounds awful!
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Old October 13th, 2019, 12:43 PM   #11
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Sorry to hear about the bad gas. Nor good.
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It was Shell.


I don't know about Cali, but in Houston, quite a few stations have added ethanol free pumps now. None are immediately local to me. Allthough, one is about 12 miles away. I might fill up a gas can or two, and test with riding.
Pretty much all gas in CA is ethanol-blended. Only ethanol-free gas within 100-mile radius is VP Racing fuel at Sonoma Raceway pumps @ +$9.00/gal. Corn-lobby has snuck in regulations to promote use of ethanol and gotten bark-eating, tree-hugging crunchy granola folks on-board.

CA emissions regulation were adopted by Feds in passing 1990 Clean Air Act and 2007 Energy Independence and Security Act which set Renewable Fuel Standards. Implicit in those regulations was required used of ethanol in order to comply. The corn-lobby is powerful group including food-processors such as ”Com-Agrow” and “ABM”*. They make more money than oil-companies and have major influence on government at all levels. Don’t know if people remember price-fixing scandal with ”ABM” couple decades ago. But after senior VP and several key-witnesses had deadly “accidents” just before they were to testify at trial, case quietly went away. You have to dig up old news articles on microfiche to find this info.

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Old October 15th, 2019, 07:20 AM   #13
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My full time job is in Oil & Gas, and I know the govt, is raking it in. First hand experience, and knowledge. Every minor step is taxed, , or licensed, or fined, or rented. To hear that corn..CORN is more lucrative than oil. That's ...

Well, I will reserve comments... And open a can of my favorite yellow kernels. Mmmm-mmm :: eyes suspiciously around and locks doors:: wouldn't want a mis-hap.
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Average person spends how much on petrol yearly? $1500-2000? Think of how much more they spend on sodas, burger buns and ketchup? All of which are laden with HFCS.

In past decade, corn use in fuel has surpassed use as feed.



U.S. corn-industry earned something like $69-billion versus oil's $67-billion (which also includes foreign outfits like Shell, BP, etc.). According to Exxon-Mobil’s 10Q/10K reports couple years ago, they were not profitable in their operations... therefore, no need to pay feds any taxes

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Dang that sucks! I've never had bad gas from a pump to be honest. That may have something to do with being a native Michigander though. On another note I just found a pump that sells pure gas for marine stuff, at like 2.50 a gallon. Only thing is that it's 91 octane. I shouldn't have any problem running this when 87 is recommended, right?
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Using 91 will work although bike was designed for 87. Might notice slight power-drop, however, butt-dyno will not be able to detect difference. Difference of 10% in MPG.

Extra octane only makes difference if engine had high-compression pistons along with more advanced ignition-timing. Which is done on race-bikes. Actual octane-requirements will depend upon how high you bump compression, 12.5:1 or 13.5:1 roughly needs 91 & 95 R+M/2 However, that precludes ever using lower-octane fuels. There's Sunoco station about 55-miles away from me that has VP 100 & 110-octane race-fuels that's not oxygenated. I fill up several 5-gal jugs for track as it's cheaper than pump at tracks. My race-bike needs 92+ and race-car 100+. Although if I adjust fuel-maps for E85, that's better option as it's 108-octane for lots less $.

If you noticed that bike runs better on higher-octane, then you've got some maintenance issues such as carbon build-up in cylinders, valve-clearance & timing out-of-spec, etc.

BTW - oxygen-molecule in ethanol is HUGE compared to carbon & hydrogen, so you end up with less power-capacity per gallon and will get lower MPG. Using E85 for my race-car gets about 30% lower MPG because AFR needs to be 30% richer due to different stoich ratio of 9.8:1 vs. gasoline's 14.7:1.
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@GAU-8 the bottom gallons of that stations' particular tank perhaps?
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Except petrol is pumped out bottom first.
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Old September 2nd, 2020, 05:31 AM   #19
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my poor description... "bottom of tank" meaning last remnants of that particular tank...which would be oldest remaining.
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It has to be a strange situation when any fuel in an underground tank gets that old. Like that tank wasn't used for a year or two and the fuel just sat there the whole time. In a normal situation, just pumping fuel out and refilling from the tank truck regularly would keep it stirred and refreshed.
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Wonder if there's contamination involved?

Decades ago, I got some 91-oct from 1st petrol station off highway-1 on way to Laguna Seca and car was bucking and snorting under WOT. Struggled through morning sessions by turning down boost and using only 75-80% throttle. Then filled up with 110-oct from station at track and that diluted crappy petrol enough to run rest of day.

I suspect 91-oct from that petrol station wasn't very popular and it had been sitting while. Perhaps tank had leaks and ground-water seeped in. Water's heavier so it would sit at bottom and get sucked out first.

WARNING: Avoid 91-oct pump at 1st and only station at Laguna Seca exit on hwy-1 !!!
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