March 15th, 2011, 09:38 PM | #1 |
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Tips on pumping Gas
TIPS ON PUMPING GAS
When you're filling up do not squeeze the trigger of the nozzle to a fast mode If you look you will see that the trigger has three (3) stages: low, middle, and high. You should be pumping on low mode, thereby minimizing the vapors that are created while you are pumping. All hoses at the pump have a vapor return. If you are pumping on the fast rate, some of the liquid that goes to your tank becomes vapor. Those vapors are being sucked up and back into the underground storage tank so you're getting less worth for your money. One of the most important tips is to fill up when your gas tank is HALF FULL. The reason for this is the more gas you have in your tank the less air occupying its empty space. Gasoline evaporates faster than you can imagine. Gasoline storage tanks have an internal floating roof. This roof serves as zero clearance between the gas and the atmosphere, so it minimizes the evaporation. Another reminder, if there is a gasoline truck pumping into the storage tanks when you stop to buy gas, DO NOT fill up; most likely the gasoline is being stirred up as the gas is being delivered, and you might pick up some of the dirt that normally settles on the bottom. |
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March 15th, 2011, 09:44 PM | #2 |
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I dunno John, those seem more like wivestales than warnings to be followed. The amount of liquid that goes to vapor is just not going to be affected between the 3 flow rates. The moving ceilings in gas tanks aren't to minimize evaporation, it's to keep the area available for gas vapors to form at a minimum, to reduce the risk of an explosion. The third one is a bit of a wash. While new gas being pumped into the tank may circulate things that are in the tank, there are several in-line filters in the pumping mechanism that we use to fill our tank, so there isn't going to any noticeable dirt or debris going into the vehicle tank anyway.
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Ever wonder why the defrost in your car, which blows warm air on the windshield's water condensation, also kicks on the A/C light? I mean, you want HOT air, right? The reason why is because the the A/C removes water from the air and the dry air works like a sponge for absorbing humidity, which is obvious when you see an immediate improvement even before it has the chance to warm up. If fuel behaves the same way, why would you keep letting the vapors out and "dry" air in? Quote:
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March 16th, 2011, 05:45 AM | #4 |
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Sound like wives tales to me too. Also tue thing about filling up when your tank is still half full sounds absurd. Especially since theoretically you should get better gas mileage as the tank empties (less weight).
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March 16th, 2011, 06:37 AM | #6 |
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I would say take it slow, so you're not accidentally spraying gas all over your bike.
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March 16th, 2011, 07:00 AM | #7 | |
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A few of these tips have been discussed and various info gleened from it. http://www.snopes.com/inboxer/household/gastips.asp |
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March 16th, 2011, 07:11 AM | #8 | |
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March 16th, 2011, 07:13 AM | #9 | |
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March 16th, 2011, 07:18 AM | #10 |
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Most stations in RI have gotten rid of the lock. Most important tip I can think of is do not ride away with pump nozzle still in tank.
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March 16th, 2011, 07:23 AM | #11 | |
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even better a bike going down the road with the nozzle and hose dragging behind the bike
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March 16th, 2011, 08:54 AM | #12 | |
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March 16th, 2011, 10:04 AM | #13 |
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March 16th, 2011, 10:32 AM | #14 |
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FYI most if not all gas stations have multiple filters in between the underground tanks and the pump, along with a filter in the pump itself. Most of the newer tankers have a filter in line. The wholesaler also filters the fuel before it hits my tanker trailer.
Every station that I deliver to, gets a delivery of fuel at least once a day. (Even the stations in tiny towns) There are a few owners who try to play the fuel market to their advantage. For the most part they avg the daily use and have that plus 5% delivered daily.
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March 16th, 2011, 10:42 AM | #15 |
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Every gas station around here has the lock. One thing I've never understood was why some northern states don't allow you to pump your own gas(ex. NJ). They pump your gas for you then expect a tip, I don't tip because I don't want them to pump my gas for me anyway. Luckily they don't do that here in VA. Any who, normally when I get gas for my tahoe, I don't fill it up more than 1/2 way or so to save money since I have a large tank and horrible gas mileage. Since gas prices have begun soaring I just top off my tank every chance I get to save $0.10/gal if I were to get it tomorrow. IMO about this thread...just get gas and don't worry about it; if your worried about vapors then I'm sure the vapors escaping out of your tank to freedom couldn't cause a loss of more than half a mile. O, and the gas vapors smell great
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March 16th, 2011, 10:58 AM | #16 |
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NJ is one of two States that do not allow self service. NJ's law has been around since 1949. They tried to allow a few self service stations a few years ago, but people cried about loosing jobs and having to learn how to pump gas. The other state is Oregon
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March 16th, 2011, 12:21 PM | #17 | |
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what kind of bike was it? cant imagine it being a sportbike since the key locks into the cap while open |
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March 16th, 2011, 12:57 PM | #18 |
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March 16th, 2011, 01:09 PM | #19 |
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I always wondered, do they pump your gas for you on a bike? I think I would refuse to allow them to do it but I assume they would make an exception for a biker.
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March 16th, 2011, 01:32 PM | #20 |
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one day i got bored at the pump, and noticed that after letting go of the trigger, a nice amount of gas came out. So i say to myself "I wonder how long this will take if i...."
I would squeeze the trigger, and let the excess come out, over and over, and over...then eventually got tired of doing it and just filled it up regurlarly |
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March 16th, 2011, 01:46 PM | #21 |
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I just fill up when i'm on a 1/4 tank, and I put that sucker on full blast. I hate waiting while the take fills.
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March 16th, 2011, 02:15 PM | #22 |
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...In the instruction manual it usually tells you where to fill the gas tank at a level?
I've overfilled my bike once when I knew I was gonna be on a long ride, and it gave me no troubles...Not to mean being in the sorching heat of summer sun. Unless you mean by filling it up, and leave it out in sun for a very long time. Which would make sense to call for trouble. |
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The problem with overfilling isn't primarily that it's dangerous, it's that the overflow can overwhelm the carbon cannister that is used to help emissions (at least on CA bikes, not sure if the rest of you all have one as well). The canister works fine for vapors, and eventually burns off enough under normal use to last the life of the bike. However, if it fills up with liquid gasoline, it causes venting problems, making for hard starting and even general engine performance issues.
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We had our own gas pumps at the company I used to work for. Someone was parked pumping gas listening to the radio and I pulled up behind them. They just weren't thinking I guess and saw me coming and started the car and pulled forward with the gas still pumping. The hoses have quick disconnects on them so it just popped off and stopped the pump. Actually I don't think more than a drop even spilled so it worked pretty good. |
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Do not stick your face down by the tank to see how much fuel you have pumped in. Doing so with an open visor just leads to a helmet full of fuel fumes.
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March 19th, 2011, 05:41 PM | #30 |
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The best tip for pumping gas...
try not to giggle if you've got to pump some gas around other people, like in an elevator. Dead giveaway... |
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March 20th, 2011, 02:49 AM | #31 |
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I'm from Oregon, and can tell you that motorcycles are exempt from the "no pumping your own gas" law. Generally the attendant will slide your card through and hand you the nozzle, and you can hang it up when you're done. It's actually fairly nice because I have short arms and don't have to get off the bike at all this way
I honestly don't see where the hate for the law comes from. It is pretty unnecessary of a service, but it provides jobs (which we desperately need) and does not affect the price of gas. No gas attendant in Oregon expects a tip. Back when I was a gas attendant, I'd be out washing peoples windows and checking their tires in the worst weather, and on a good day I'd get $2 in tips, it was never expected. |
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California's average price $3.94 (third highest) Just saying... Stats from gasbuddy.com |
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There are lots of "cash only" stations in CA and they are notably cheaper than the ones that accept credit cards. |
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March 20th, 2011, 11:56 AM | #36 |
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New jersey and Oregon I believe are the only full service only states, so they won't have self service prices.
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March 20th, 2011, 01:52 PM | #37 |
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Right, meaning a comparison in states that have both makes more sense (yes, you can still find full service in states that don't require it). Even in NJ and OR, they do have to pay the attendant so it does factor into the costs. The costs ALWAYS factor in to the price.
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Secondly, having spent time in Oregon (a state I enjoy a lot, for the record), I've seen what happens at gas stations at busy times. One, maybe two attendants, and 8-10 pumps...you do the math. It creates an unnecessary wait, for someone with an unnecessary job. It's all so unnecessary. Waste, the economic enemy, is firmly entrenched on the West Coast. This is just a small example. It's too bad, because it's a beautiful part of the country, and I've met some really good people out there. |
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Certainly didn't mean to derail this topic, but since we're on the subject of self service vs full service and prices...
There might be a small increase in cost for having an attendant, but there will always be an employee on-site even if its self serve so someone is getting paid regardless. The increase in cost only really comes during rush hour shift overlaps, which almost never happened at the gas stations I worked for. Secondly, insurance is slightly cheaper for the company as well, they get a discount for having a "trained professional" pumping gas (I wouldn't qualify a minimum wage gas jockey as a trained professional but the insurance company does). A cross-state comparison is an apples to oranges type affair, but if you believe that making Oregon and New Jersey full serve will do anything beyond a couple of pennies difference, I have an ice selling business in Antarctica that you could buy |
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