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Old February 12th, 2014, 05:12 PM   #1
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how do you crash?

i've heard a lot of varying opinions on what you should do if you find yourself gliding across pavement without a bike under you. some people say cross your arms so you dont break them if you start rolling, others say splay out so you don't start rolling in the first place. some people say grab your helmet and support your head to try to reduce neck injuries. others say stay relaxed and loose so when you hit something it is absorbed instead of deflected. so its got me pretty curious.

what do you do when you are crashing?
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Old February 12th, 2014, 05:37 PM   #2
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My only crash was at ~35 mph...so I only slide for 2 or 3 seconds (not really enough time to do anything). I went down...next thing I know I was stopped in front of the tires of the car in the lane coming towards me. What's the fastest speed you've crashed at Alex?
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Stay relaxed and slide. Every time I've crashed my first instinct is to keep my head from sliding and hitting the ground so I don't need a new helmet. Yes that's seriously what goes on in my head believe it or not.
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Crash, what is the crashing you speak of?

I haven't crashed in so long I forget the experience.

I do remember what to do after a crash. Drink heavily while consuming hospital samples.
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Old February 12th, 2014, 06:38 PM   #6
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Stay relaxed and slide. Every time I've crashed my first instinct is to keep my head from sliding and hitting the ground so I don't need a new helmet. Yes that's seriously what goes on in my head believe it or not.
this is literally exactly the thought process that went through my mind on my last crash... " I PAID $400 FOR THIS ****ER AND ILL BE DAMNED IF IM GONNA THROW IT AWAY NOW!" haha.
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I have the same mentality as with skateboarding, snowboarding, and mountain biking. Chill the **** out and let it happen because there isn't **** you can do about it once you've lost it. This includes not putting your hands out to try to stop yourself since then you'll break your wrists. Being relaxed is important as it is easier for bones to break when your own muscles are already putting strain on them. Really how the crash pans out comes down to how lucky you are. If you don't hit anything and were wearing gear you should be fine, and if you do then ouch hope you're still around.

I fully sympathize with the helmet ideology, I paid almost double for my helmet as compared to my full leather racing suit and that may well hold up to be useful after a crash depending how it goes.
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Old February 12th, 2014, 07:21 PM   #8
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this is literally exactly the thought process that went through my mind on my last crash... " I PAID $400 FOR THIS ****ER AND ILL BE DAMNED IF IM GONNA THROW IT AWAY NOW!" haha.
This was my exact thought process when I was on the ground after my last crash lol. People were making me stay on the ground and I didn't want to cuz I could hear my helmet scraping on the ground as I squirmed around. Practically brand new Rossi helmet gone to waste
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Old February 12th, 2014, 09:17 PM   #9
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..........what do you do when you are crashing?
What has always amazed me is how heavy our head is and how weak our neck muscles are.
What I remember most is the noise of my helmet banging over the pavement while I could do nothing to avoid it.
That may have been the strongest reason that I have had to keep rolling safe rather than spilling.
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I take the KY approach to this question as it seems to work everywhere else in the world as well.

Example: 2 guys are in the bed of a truck traveling 35mph and they both fall out after hitting a large pothole.

Guy A - physically fit, wearing street clothes
Guy B - a bit of a slob, wearing shorts, flip flops and a wife beater with a stain on the front, holding a beer and is already drunk

Who gets up with a bit of rash, laughing and yelling YEEEE HAAAAWWWW? Who can't get up because of the broken rib, broken leg and a concussion?
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I'm tempted to say the drunk guy because he's drunk but the physically fit guy taking less damage just makes more sense.
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The drunk guy usually turns out better, he is def less stiff than mister buff guy
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The drunk guy usually turns out better, he is def less stiff than mister buff guy
Yeah, cause he's more relaxed. Relaxed and loose muscles is the key.
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Yeah, cause he's more relaxed. Relaxed and loose muscles is the key.
That's what I learned in some class, just one more plug for medical marijauna
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I don't know. MotoGP guys seem to suck at it though...

My back pack caused my to roll, so I folded my arms.
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Get hurt, get up and walk it off like it didn't hurt
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Yeah, cause he's more relaxed. Relaxed and loose muscles is the key.
now if the stronger guy was also drunk he'd have the advantage since a larger muscle mass is able to absorb more force.

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sometimes I wonder if that's all a giant ploy by dealers who happen to be doctors though. It would be quite ironic if the government was right and the herb was actually awful for you

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now if the stronger guy was also drunk he'd have the advantage since a larger muscle mass is able to absorb more force.


sometimes I wonder if that's all a giant ploy by dealers who happen to be doctors though. It would be quite ironic if the government was right and the herb was actually awful for you


You ought to be ashamed talking all that nonsense bout the weeds
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Sad thing is I read this tread this morning and afterwards was on my way to go get haircut and this guy pulled right out infront of me from a side street couldn't keep bike from going down.. People on the road said I missed hitting him by 6 inches.. ruined new shoes, icon jacket ( glad I wore it for the short ride), Helmet is all messed up ( again glad I wore it for short ride), broke the mirror, fairing is un-repairable,knee is all f'd up, arm has bad road rash and back is hurting... But as for how do you crash I sure didn't tense up I just let go of the bike and tried to just let the inevitable happen lol.. Hey I did go get my haircut as planned right afterwards since I have a job interview tomorrow
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Was that in any way related to slick conditions caused by sky dandruff? that knee looks a bit uncomfortable though, you cleaned it out with some hydrogen peroxide yet?
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i would stay relaxed. it's how drunk drivers survive. (worked for Ethan Couch and Olivia Culbreath)

if i found myself on my back and sliding i'd try to maintain that position though. Works for me sliding 45+ mph if i fall on skis.

i definitely would not advise consciously splaying your arms out. like your arm joints could take your entire body weight moving at speed.

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i rode dirtbikes for years!!

I always rode with friends that were a lot faster than i was so crashing was something that would happen a lot.

No crash on the ninja yet

I can probably sell my helmet for the same amount as my bike

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Sad thing is I read this tread this morning and afterwards was on my way to go get haircut and this guy pulled right out infront of me from a side street couldn't keep bike from going down..
That was painful to see, Nate.

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i've heard a lot of varying opinions on what you should do if you find yourself gliding across pavement without a bike under you. some people say cross your arms so you dont break them if you start rolling, others say splay out so you don't start rolling in the first place. some people say grab your helmet and support your head to try to reduce neck injuries. others say stay relaxed and loose so when you hit something it is absorbed instead of deflected. so its got me pretty curious.

what do you do when you are crashing?
I wrote an article 6 or 7 years ago on crashing and on being physically fit, you can read it here: http://beta.motomom.ca/wp-content/up...ce-April05.pdf

I've had plenty of crashes, probably about 20-25 in total, the majority while racing and I'd have to say that trying to remain relaxed is the best thing you can do to prevent injury. I also think that physical fitness and awareness of your body really helps. What I mean by that is that certain sports, gymnastics, diving, tumbling, and martial arts can really help you "crash well." I have a black belt in Karate and did a lot of Aikido before that. We practice rolling, jumping and being hucked around so I feel that I have a great awareness of where my body is in the air. I can twist around or bend in ways that help me land better and in all those crashes I've only ever broken a collarbone, no other injuries. I was a gymnast when younger and think that any kind of training in those sports can help.
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I wrote an article 6 or 7 years ago on crashing and on being physically fit, you can read it here: http://beta.motomom.ca/wp-content/up...ce-April05.pdf

I've had plenty of crashes, probably about 20-25 in total, the majority while racing and I'd have to say that trying to remain relaxed is the best thing you can do to prevent injury. I also think that physical fitness and awareness of your body really helps. What I mean by that is that certain sports, gymnastics, diving, tumbling, and martial arts can really help you "crash well." I have a black belt in Karate and did a lot of Aikido before that. We practice rolling, jumping and being hucked around so I feel that I have a great awareness of where my body is in the air. I can twist around or bend in ways that help me land better and in all those crashes I've only ever broken a collarbone, no other injuries. I was a gymnast when younger and think that any kind of training in those sports can help.
That's good to know. In fact, I too have had a lot of practice rolling when I was younger. I never knew it would help so much.
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Ride it into the ground until it stops or you can't hold on. Pick up a mini dirt bike and add bark busters and practice grass track figure 8s and ovals. You'll get plenty of practice. Keep your grip. it stretches you out and you don't try to catch yourself by reaching out, which doesn't work anyway but it is instinct for us at walking speeds we were designed to operate at.

I don't get thrown as much as I used to, more low sides, so I usually avoid broken arms, wrists, collarbones. ACLs are another story.

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Ride it into the ground until it stops or you can't hold on.
Curious, why would you think this is a good idea? I am all for not giving up but if a bar is touching earth, it's pretty much done. Why continue to hold on until stop?
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I don't think I was doing anything when I crashed. Just trying to figure out the situation. Pretty sure I was relatively loose.
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Curious, why would you think this is a good idea? I am all for not giving up but if a bar is touching earth, it's pretty much done. Why continue to hold on until stop?
I explained it in my post, you will try to catch yourself with your hand by reaching out. That is a great way to snap a wrist or arm. I'd rather be dragged to a stop than snapping my bones trying to fight it. Every crash is different, but given the room to slide to a stop, I'll keep my grip as long as possible.

Last "good" crash was 35MPH impact on the sumoto race bike. It blew my leather jacket zipper open but I had only minor abrasions thru the arms of the jacket. My hand guards were scarred very badly.
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@old3 , just to confirm, you are suggesting that once you have began crashing, to stay as close as you can to your crashing... potentially flipping and rolling, 450 lbs motorcycle?
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@old3 , just to confirm, you are suggesting that once you have began crashing, to stay as close as you can to your crashing... potentially flipping and rolling, 450 lbs motorcycle?
At 450 lbs. it is a car, so you should have a seat belt and a roll cage if you are driving something that heavy.
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Maybe, if this is a serious topic, you should define what you mean by crashing. In a typical low side, into a clear path, yeah, hold the fook on.

If you are high siding, you are getting ejected so holding on isn't really an option.

Did you crash into a truck? A fence? A pond?

25 MPH or 125 MPH?

In the typical, "crap, I lost my tires and will be sliding at 35 MPH into the grass by the country road", yeah, ride it in and slow it and you down.
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I would gather that Alex's idea of a crash is similar to everyone elses, a bar touches earth (100% loss of steering ability). Anything less than that can possibly be ridden out.
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At 450 lbs. it is a car, so you should have a seat belt and a roll cage if you are driving something that heavy.
Many riders here have multiple bikes, some even weighing upward of 700+lbs (Goldwings and such). Heck, even a Bonneville is right at 500lbs, those seem popular enough.

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Many riders here have multiple bikes, some even weighing upward of 700+lbs (Goldwings and such). Heck, even a Bonneville is right at 500lbs, those seem popular enough.

Expand your range brother.
I've been to the 1200cc mountain and back. Light is right, and if his 250 Ninja weighs 450 we need to get that bike on a diet!
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Old February 27th, 2014, 05:32 PM   #39
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I would gather that Alex's idea of a crash is similar to everyone elses, a bar touches earth (100% loss of steering ability). Anything less than that can possibly be ridden out.
By "ridden out" I meant till it stopped. A bar touching the ground is not the end in every case either.




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I've been to the 1200cc mountain and back. Light is right, and if his 250 Ninja weighs 450 we need to get that bike on a diet!
i was referring to my 600 which is just shy of 450 (its from 1992) but 100 lbs shouldn't make that much of a difference. if anything i would trust the bigger bike to stay on the ground. maybe you have never had a sliding wheel catch the tiger teeth and flip the bike after a lowside? i have seen highsides turn into lowsides and lowsides turn into highsides. you can't predict what a bike sliding on its side or upside down is going to do. sure you can take a guess that if you drop the bike going 35, its probably not enough force to flip the bike very much.
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