Official 2013 Ninja 300 (and 250) Thread

[Jiggles]

Originally Posted by Xoulrath

Because it just is, Sean, damn. Why you gotta be hatin?

Oh girl you be trippin'

[taufik-tmcblog]

FYI

Kawasaki Motor Indonesia will launch a new model of Ninja 250R tomorrow august 1st
rumors says that it will be injection, ABS, new fairing etc

i will tell the update tomorrow

update

the dyno :

[Jiggles]

Originally Posted by taufik-tmcblog

FYI

Kawasaki Motor Indonesia will launch a new model of Ninja 250R tomorrow august 1st
rumors says that it will be injection, ABS, new fairing etc

i will tell the update tomorrow

Taufik-tmcblog.com

The troll returns!!!

Isn't it already fuel injected in indonesia?

[CZroe]

Originally Posted by taufik-tmcblog

FYI

Kawasaki Motor Indonesia will launch a new model of Ninja 250R tomorrow august 1st
rumors says that it will be injection, ABS, new fairing etc

i will tell the update tomorrow

Taufik-tmcblog.com

Please do. I checked out the blog. Wish I could read it! Thanks.

Originally Posted by Jiggles

The troll returns!!!

Isn't it already fuel injected in indonesia?

No.

[taufik-tmcblog]

Originally Posted by Jiggles

The troll returns!!!

Isn't it already fuel injected in indonesia?

no until today still carb

[taufik-tmcblog]

Originally Posted by CZroe

Please do. I checked out the blog. Wish I could read it! Thanks.



No.

sorry for the language bro
it still in Indonesian

[Sigma.40]

Originally Posted by Jiggles

I hate when people suggest protecting people from themselves. If you want to get a bike you can't handle, go ahead you have the right to buy anything you want, and I have the right to call you a ****ing idiot But seriously let people do whatever they want to. Take 15yr old robert for example, I 100% support his parents right to buy him an R6. Sure I think he's an idiot for doing so, but it would be even more idiotic to force him to stay on a 250.

+1

This is by far the best thing I have ever seen you write.

[Jiggles]

Originally Posted by Sigma.40

+1

This is by far the best thing I have ever seen you write.

You must not read many of my posts

[ninjaone]

Originally Posted by I'm Fred

Steering damper on a 250/300? Would that really be necessary? I don't think they'll add so many options to the ninjette, paying that much would defeat its most common utility: being a starter bike. It has to be simple, teach the basics effectively and safely. Spending 6k on a 300CC with ABS and steering damper would be pretty much pointless if your goal is to learn and progress to a more powerful bike eventually

Always makes me when people assume just because the engine is 250cc (or less) that things like a steering damper or ABS or even suspension in general doesn't matter.

Last I checked the 250R can reach 100MPH, which means you can take turns at those speeds, brake from those speeds, and accelerate to those speeds under a variety of conditions. Even if just smoothing out road conditions a steering damper has a use on any size bike.

I agree that in this segment in this country Kawasaki has to strike a balance between beginner bike entry level cost and building a tool that can competently perform, but these things (suspension, brakes) do matter. I know several people who rule out ABS on the 250R who would otherwise love to use it as an everyday all weather commuter.

Likewise I might be seriously tempted if Kawasaki offered a full spec Ninja with fully adjustable Ohlins at a great price (under 8k). Then again these things can be taken care of in the aftermarket almost just as well.

[Jiggles]

Pretty sure a steering dampener would have little to no effect on a ninjette

[Sigma.40]

Originally Posted by Jiggles

You must not read many of my posts

I've read alot of them. That was just something that I VERY strongly agree with. I wasn't being sarcastic. I hate that the world is turning into a nanny state and like that some people are against that.

[Jiggles]

The pussification of america

[ninjaone]

Originally Posted by Jiggles

Pretty sure a steering dampener would have little to no effect on a ninjette

Riding a bike with a properly set up steering damper back to back to one which is completely without, and you would change your mind - regardless of engine size. Steering dampers have an effect at all speeds, in all conditions, both real world and track.

People can get by without a steering damper, just like people get by without a rear suspension, but to say it has little/no effect just because the bike is light weight and has a small engine is just flat out wrong.

[Jiggles]

Originally Posted by ninjaone

Riding a bike with a properly set up steering damper back to back to one which is completely without, and you would change your mind - regardless of engine size. Steering dampers have an effect at all speeds, in all conditions, both real world and track.

People can get by without a steering damper, just like people get by without a rear suspension, but to say it has little/no effect just because the bike is light weight and has a small engine is just flat out wrong.

I think it has to do more with the pitch of the forks than with the size and weight of the bike. The ninjettes forks are pitched less aggressively than supersports and are far less susceptible to tank slappers.

[ninjaone]

The whole point of a steering damper isn't just to prevent tank slappers any more then the whole point of a rear shock is to prevent the bike from going airborne over a pot hole. Steering dampers affect stability at a variety of levels under a variety of conditions - I can almost guarantee some of which you ride every single time you go out riding.

The addition of a steering damper will generally reduce the wobbly-ness inherent in the steering of short wheel base bikes with aggressive steering geometry. A bike with a steering damper will give you much more confidence through turns and even on straights then the exact same bike without one.

And while the 250R doesn't have the most aggressive geometry on the market, it is still a very short wheel base bike with a relatively aggressive rake/trail compared to most non-supersport bikes.

Bottom line, suspension matters no matter what the engine size.

[choneofakind]

A steering dampener would be a waste of time and money.

The stock ninjette is so raked that it is overly uber stable. It is so stable that when I raised my tail 2+" and lowered my nose .25", it is still stable, even at 100+ mph and over bumps and WOT turns at mid-ohio and over the twisty roads of the Cuyahoga river valley.

The whole point of a steering dampener is to dampen the motion of the bars so that the geometry can be made more aggressive. More aggressive steering is less stable (bad) and faster to turn in (good). This allows the bike to be more easily flicked side to side while lowering the risk of tank slappers and loss of control over irregularities in the road and situations where the front end is light. That's the only reason it's on some bikes. It is a band-aid to the boo-boo of being so aggressive to the point of being potentially unstable. This booboo is made more evident at high speeds, hence some of the super high tech electronic dampeners that do more dampening at speed, where the bars jerk back and forth more rapidly. The ninja 250 is not fast enough or aggressive enough for that to really be an issue.

If you want a steering dampener, by all means, blow a few Ben Franklin's. But it's not necessary, and likely won't make a darn not of difference outside of the placebo effect.
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[ninjaone]

Originally Posted by choneofakind

The whole point of a steering dampener is to dampen the motion of the bars.

You should have just stopped typing here. That is the point of a steering damper, full stop. You don't have to adjust the steering geometry to extract any benefits of a steering damper. A properly set up steering damper will improve stability of the bike in nearly all conditions, even with stock geometry.

Originally Posted by choneofakind

That's the only reason it's on some bikes. It is a band-aid to the boo-boo of being so aggressive to the point of being potentially unstable. This booboo is made more evident at high speeds, hence some of the super high tech electronic dampeners that do more dampening at speed, where the bars jerk back and forth more rapidly. The ninja 250 is not fast enough or aggressive enough for that to really be an issue.

This is just flat out wrong. To give one example from everyday riding: anytime you accelerate on any bike regardless of power the weight shifts rearward and lifts the front wheel. Under the right conditions (including surface irregularities) the front wheel can be made to oscillate back and forth. This can happen at any time and with bikes without steering dampers frequently does. Most of the time it goes unnoticed or the rider is used to the behavior and the situation corrects itself, but depending on conditions it can be a more or less violent motion.

It has absolutely nothing to do with rider error or "aggressive geometry" at that point, although a short trail and small wheelbase can contribute, both of which the Ninja 250R has.

Finally you started with:

Originally Posted by choneofakind

It is so stable that when I raised my tail 2+" and lowered my nose .25", it is still stable, even at 100+ mph and over bumps and WOT turns at mid-ohio and over the twisty roads of the Cuyahoga river valley.

What exactly are you comparing this ultimate stability to? Have you tried a Ninja 250R with a properly set up steering damper back to back with the bike without one? Again, I guarantee you a bike with a properly setup steering damper will feel more stable and give you more confidence then the same bike without one. Full stop.

[Jiggles]

I wonder how many of the racers on this site have steering dampeners on their 250s

[ninjaone]

Racing stock class usually rules out steering dampers.

[ninjaone]

Personally I consider steering dampers to be the "ABS" of suspension. When you you don't need it then it's generally completely transparent but when you do need it then it really saves you. Can't overstate enough that the consequences of not having a steering damper can affect you no matter what size or power of your bike.

It's also why I question how good for beginners bikes like the FZ6R and Ninja 650 really are. With their budget suspensions with limited adjust-ability, beginners aren't really learning how to dial in a suspension or what a quality suspension feels like. Sure these things can be fixed with the aftermarket, but going that direction basically negates the price advantage, and trying to dial in an aftermarket suspension to what out of the box the other supersports do from big budget factory testing is a non-trivial undertaking. Not to mention, in terms of real world usable power (talking 0-60 not 1/4 mile) they are very even.

[CZroe]

Originally Posted by ninjaone

Racing stock class usually rules out steering dampers.

Unless Kawi offers them as a factory option, like I so controversially (and not-so-seriously) suggested earlier.

[Racer x]

Originally Posted by Jiggles

I wonder how many of the racers on this site have steering dampeners on their 250s

I have one

[choneofakind]

Originally Posted by ninjaone

I guarantee you a bike with a properly setup steering damper will feel more stable and give you more confidence then the same bike without one. Full stop.

Alright. I stand corrected, but it's not a necessity for the 250 like it is with other bikes. It would just add unneeded cost if it were added to a stock bike from the factory. The bike is not inherently unstable or prone to massive tank slappers and is very predictable when it does give a little bit of headshake.
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[lookman_langgeng]

Officially Launch All New Ninja 250 in Indonesia

http://tmcblog.com/2012/08/01/welcom...comment-405215

[lookman_langgeng]

[choneofakind]

Interesting! Keep us updated as you learn more. It certainly looks nice from that angle, but I wanna know what's up her skirt
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[lookman_langgeng]

stay tuned for more updates and features. ( i'm sorry if my language so bad )

[CZroe]

Originally Posted by choneofakind

Alright. I stand corrected, but it's not a necessity for the 250 like it is with other bikes. It would just add unneeded cost if it were added to a stock bike from the factory. The bike is not inherently unstable or prone to massive tank slappers and is very predictable when it does give a little bit of headshake.
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The decel shake I get about 1,000 miles after every tire change probably accelerates my tire wear dramatically, even though I only see it when I take my hands off the bars. I wonder if a damper might help with that.

Also, no one ever suggested that it would be stock and I wasn't even serious when saying that it could be an option. I was just trying to think of more ways Kawi could increase the profit margin with OEM accessories, like the DB windscreen they offer, so that they could take care of both market segments (value segment and the segment that wants it for being higher performance and 50ccs larger).

[lookman_langgeng]

[ZackoFF96]

Siaal .. Baru belii udah keluar yang baru aja ..

Damn .. I just bought my ninja for like a month ago .. Screw kawasaki for making a new one already ..

I thought this ninja will stay for 20 years like the old ninja ..
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[silentIm]

the little disc in the center of disc brake, looks like a sensor disc for speedometer.. or better yet, ABS sensor.

Frame and ergonomics looks the same.. its styling follows ninja 650.

[taufik-tmcblog]

Update

Kawasaki Indonesia launch for the first world premiere All New Ninja 250R

[taufik-tmcblog]

great looking ninja 250R

[JeffM]

Yep, ABS sensor ring.

[silentIm]

Damn Kawi. Just got my bike last year and Kawi release this now.

[taufik-tmcblog]

so . . . i told you . . . its a major change ninjete

[taufik-tmcblog]

pict again

[dubojr1]

Originally Posted by taufik-tmcblog

so . . . i told you . . . its a major change ninjete

So why are you the only one that knows? There is nothing about this on the web other than what you have put out there.

[taufik-tmcblog]

the headlamp

[taufik-tmcblog]

Originally Posted by dubojr1

So why are you the only one that knows? There is nothing about this on the web other than what you have put out there.

i just know the rumors

until 2 hours ago . . . when the pict officially release