Am I the only one who laughed when I watched this video?

choneofakind · November 4th, 2011, 07:25 AM

This is just plain old ridiculous. Watch it and you'll see what I mean.

Vampyre · November 4th, 2011, 07:51 AM

Is that scott's damper not connected to anything?

exploring/carolina · November 4th, 2011, 08:03 AM

Looked at Scott's site & photos, looks like the damper is set up as shown in their photo.

Lot's of stuff on that Ninja!

Mocha Man · November 4th, 2011, 08:05 AM

Lol wow...some people...

saxnbass · November 4th, 2011, 08:07 AM

I saw that a few weeks ago, was hoping I'd never have to see it again... thanks. :P

Vampyre · November 4th, 2011, 08:09 AM

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Originally Posted by exploring/carolina

Looked at Scott's site & photos, looks like the damper is set up as shown in their photo.

Lot's of stuff on that Ninja!

On scotts site the sliver part with the slot has a pin in it that is connected to the frame. That bike in the video has no pin. look at 1m18s you can see that the slot is empty.

exploring/carolina · November 4th, 2011, 08:18 AM

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Originally Posted by Vampyre

On scotts site the sliver part with the slot has a pin in it that is connected to the frame. That bike in the video has no pin. look at 1m18s you can see that the slot is empty.

Yep, see what you mean. I don't see anything in the slot either.
You're right!

akima · November 4th, 2011, 09:49 AM

I don't see a problem there. I just see a video of a husband who's lovingly customized a Ninjette for his wife! That exhaust seemed overly noisy for my tastes.

exploring/carolina · November 4th, 2011, 10:01 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by akima

I don't see a problem there. I just see a video of a husband who's lovingly customized a Ninjette for his wife! That exhaust seemed overly noisy for my tastes.

Have to admit, I bought the Ninja 250 for my wife, but I really like riding the Ninja!

GateKeeper · November 4th, 2011, 10:02 AM

I have to agree with you Akima,,,,

I don't see anything out of the ordinary on this bike, most of it was done to help out his wife to get on and off the bike safely, and handle it at a stop. Some is cosmetic, the green rims, but hey most put on just the pinstripe, he decided to do the whole rim, he did a tail eliminator, and got rid of the front blinkers, and incorporated it into the mirrors instead. Yes the exhaust is a bit loud, even for my taste, but to each his own, my Yosh pipe on the 750 is loud, and I like it.

Actually if you listen to all he has done, it's all be done correctly, and nothing has been done to hamper the bike....

I have seen this vid in the past, and I liked what he did, and still do

sorry I don't see this as a fail.....but that is just my opinion

Heed · November 4th, 2011, 10:18 AM

thats a lot of fking mods.

id rather have the Repsol

Magz · November 4th, 2011, 10:37 AM

I agree with everyone else, I think it looks good and well done, other the the above mentioned problem. Short people should be able to ride too.

All the better on a good looking bike.

choneofakind · November 4th, 2011, 10:54 AM

It has a glorified straight pipe on the exhaust. A Steering dampener, which is NOT necessary on these bikes. And it's been dropped so far that it has chewed up the inside of the rear fender and the dogbones only clear the ground by a couple inches. He spent all that money on this bike (powdercoated rims, full exhaust, jet kit etc) but gets cheapy mirrors, leaves open holes where the turn signals used to be, and then keeps the stock tires... that's a joke. I bet the fender slams into the bodywork too. then to top it all off, there's stickers all over it.

The details aren't there. It just made me laugh, that's all. There's nothing wrong with modifying a bike so that his wife can ride comfortably with him by lowering it. In fact, I applaud that. The rest of it just makes me laugh. That poor ninja

akima · November 4th, 2011, 10:59 AM

The stock tires aren't that bad. Unless you're racing, I see no reason why you can't use the stock tires until they wear out, before buying a new set.

He might also be planning to fill the indicator hole.

Just out of curiosity: why do you think a steering damper is not necessary? I don't know much about them.

blink · November 4th, 2011, 11:37 AM

I don't understand... what's wrong with this video that's so funny?

p.s i never understood risers to lower the bars LOL

fujimumu · November 4th, 2011, 12:04 PM

I was waiting for someone to hop the curb and smash his bikes...I might have laughed if that happened.

choneofakind · November 4th, 2011, 12:10 PM

Steering dampeners are needed on some supersports because the angle of the forks is so close to 90 degrees with the ground because it makes the bike turn in quicker. This also makes the bike less stable and much more prone to tank slappers. The steering dampener gives resistance to the bars turning and therefore gets rid of that tendency to tanks-slap.

The forks on a ninja 250 are very far from 90 degrees. This means that the bike is very stable at speeds and is not likely to go into a tank slapper. The only time you would need a steering dampener on this bike is if you dropped the front end significantly with out lowering the back, or raising the back significantly without raising the front. The front of these bikes can be dropped an inch or so easily without any worries, but they do get the occasional wobbly front if you take railroad crossings/humps in the road too fast and take almost all the weight off the front end. Even then, the 250 is light enough that you can just stiff arm the bars still and give it throttle and come out fine.

here's a good article to just get the basic ideas of bike/motorcycle geometry. I'm not using wikipedia as a rock solid source here, just a quick reference, so please no one flame me for my use of wikipedia as an informational site:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bicycle...cycle_geometry

Quote:

Originally Posted by blink

I don't understand... what's wrong with this video that's so funny?

It's just so overdone, yet so half done that it just made me laugh a little. They turned a perfectly good, fun bike into a bike that won't lean very far because it is so low to the ground. And we all know that quick turns and lightness are the best traights about a 250. Besides, wouldn't common sense say that you wouldn't want the back wheel rubbing on the inside of the fender when you ride.

alex.s · November 4th, 2011, 01:14 PM

im at work and i just busted out laughing when i saw the $500 damper that ISNT CONNECTED! lmfao!!!!

akima · November 4th, 2011, 01:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by alex.s

im at work and i just busted out laughing when i saw the $500 damper that ISNT CONNECTED! lmfao!!!!

So it's basically just a pricey lump of metal screwed onto the bike?

Lil_Green_Demon · November 4th, 2011, 01:38 PM

The only thing that made me laugh was the way he spoke. He didn't even pronounce 'accordingly' correctly.

My sense of humor is humorous.

Btw, that's a nice looking Repsol.

choneofakind · November 4th, 2011, 04:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by akima

So it's basically just a pricey lump of metal screwed onto the bike?

in a nutshell

Lil_Green_Demon · November 4th, 2011, 04:16 PM

You're the only one who laughed when you watched this. I'm the only one who laughed when I watched this.

Kevin2109 · November 4th, 2011, 04:18 PM

Totally thought she was going to be hot... Nope... Looks like she could be his mom

Mountain Dew · November 4th, 2011, 04:34 PM

4.5" drop, and the bike has 6.1" ground clearance stock. And that's not taking into account the sag from the rear shock. I hope they enjoy not being able to get over speed bumps, curbs, and parking lot entrances.

All he did really was squid out the bike. An unnecessarily loud exhaust, "stage 2" jet kit (LOL), lowered it so it's nearly sitting on the ground, installed a nearly useless damper that's not even connected, and cheaped out on the integrated front mirrors.

Sure it may be a bit more comfortable for her to sit on when sitting still, but it seems pretty useless as an enjoyment bike.

Cuongism · November 4th, 2011, 08:21 PM

I don't get the joke...I thought maybe someone was gonna hop on the bike in the end and steal the bike. Sadly disappointed.

Cazper · November 4th, 2011, 09:00 PM

That bike must ride horribly... I can understand lowering it for a shorter rider... but not so much that it's unrideable. They don't make front lowering blocks that large because it isn't advisable.

I too caught the undertail that was worn through from rubbing on the back tire... that doesn't seem very safe to me

Trust me I understand modifying an entry level bike... I've spent over $2K on my $4.5K bike, so I don't feel adding mods is useless... but when it makes the bike unsafe or nearly unrideable it is indeed a fail.

leed · November 4th, 2011, 09:11 PM

Short people need to ride too, that's why we lean to one side! I'm not quite that short, but dang 4.5" drop; the new generation 250 only has 6.1" of ground clearance! A pothole would bottom that thing out, need not mention a speedbump!

But hey, if she rides it, I have no qualms.

Mountain Dew · November 4th, 2011, 09:29 PM

Thinking about it, I can't imagine how much lean angle is gone from a 4.5" drop. If I could scrape pegs leaning at stock height, and I didn't even get to the edge of the tire...

kaiserz · November 4th, 2011, 09:51 PM

What's wrong with this vid o.o? it's their bike... I believe they're entitled do what ever they want. It doesn't seem practical and some of it doesn't make sense. but yeah it's their bike.

rockNroll · November 5th, 2011, 05:32 AM

The plot was lame and the ending... anticlimactic. He wasn't as gangsta as most of the walk around videos I've seen, but I still must give this video a thumbs down.

CC Cowboy · November 5th, 2011, 07:56 AM

Anyone know where I can get a pair of those valve stem covers?

WhiteRice · November 5th, 2011, 08:03 AM

4" drop brings the bike seat height to 26".

That's one tiny wife.

I don't get all the hate though, he dressed up the bike for his lady. I'm sure plenty of people would do the same to ride with their SO.

Lil_Green_Demon · November 5th, 2011, 03:15 PM

Rewatched the video. Was that older woman his wife?

setasai · November 5th, 2011, 06:08 PM

I wonder if there is a tally on how much money went into modifications on that bike.

I had a pretty good chuckle with this video. I respect his initiative to get the bike ridable for his wife but some of those mods are not in the rider's best interest. Especially if he/she is a new rider.

A 4.5" drop is quite a bit and is kinda dangerous. An integrated tail light only makes it more difficult to see the signals and with that hole in the rear fairing, I cant imagine how much stuff is going to end up being flung up there on a rainy day.

choneofakind · November 6th, 2011, 09:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lil_Green_Demon

Rewatched the video. Was that older woman his wife?

Bob2010 · August 10th, 2013, 06:25 PM

I watched to see the 2nd bike, and the race exhaust sound clip
I never knew Jardine made a race muffler for the 250

http://youtu.be/ZAuRcjDjihc
the youtube button dont work for me, I copy the "share url" from youtube page and paste here but it dont work?

fishdip · August 10th, 2013, 06:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bob2010

I watched to see the 2nd bike, and the race exhaust sound clip
I never knew Jardine made a race muffler for the 250

http://youtu.be/ZAuRcjDjihc
the youtube button dont work for me, I copy the "share url" from youtube page and paste here but it dont work?

This bike has been posted about already. The damper is not even on the bike correctly to work.

Bob2010 · August 10th, 2013, 06:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by fishdip

This bike has been posted about already

well... okay so are they members here?

Quote:

Originally Posted by fishdip

The damper is not even on the bike correctly to work

well... lol okay, but the exhaust and the Repsol bike is why is posted it

fishdip · August 10th, 2013, 06:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bob2010

well... okay so are they members here?

well... lol okay, but the exhaust and the Repsol bike is why is posted it

I bet if you look in the bling area you will find the old thread about this and it may tell you if they are members or not.

Bob2010 · August 10th, 2013, 06:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by fishdip

I bet if you look in the bling area you will find the old thread about this and it may tell you if they are members or not.

November 4th, 2011, 07:25 AM	#1
choneofakind ninjette.org certified postwhore Name: . Location: . Join Date: Feb 2011 Motorcycle(s): . Posts: Too much. MOTM - Feb '13, Feb '14	Am I the only one who laughed when I watched this video? This is just plain old ridiculous. Watch it and you'll see what I mean. Link to original page on YouTube.

November 4th, 2011, 10:37 AM	#12
Magz ninjette.org member Name: Jake Location: MO Join Date: Oct 2011 Motorcycle(s): '06 Ninja 250 Posts: 87	I agree with everyone else, I think it looks good and well done, other the the above mentioned problem. Short people should be able to ride too. All the better on a good looking bike. __________________________________________________ Behind every great man is a woman rolling her eyes. - Jim Carrey

November 4th, 2011, 10:54 AM	#13
choneofakind ninjette.org certified postwhore Name: . Location: . Join Date: Feb 2011 Motorcycle(s): . Posts: Too much. MOTM - Feb '13, Feb '14	It has a glorified straight pipe on the exhaust. A Steering dampener, which is NOT necessary on these bikes. And it's been dropped so far that it has chewed up the inside of the rear fender and the dogbones only clear the ground by a couple inches. He spent all that money on this bike (powdercoated rims, full exhaust, jet kit etc) but gets cheapy mirrors, leaves open holes where the turn signals used to be, and then keeps the stock tires... that's a joke. I bet the fender slams into the bodywork too. then to top it all off, there's stickers all over it. The details aren't there. It just made me laugh, that's all. There's nothing wrong with modifying a bike so that his wife can ride comfortably with him by lowering it. In fact, I applaud that. The rest of it just makes me laugh. That poor ninja
	1 out of 1 members found this post helpful.

November 4th, 2011, 11:37 AM	#15
blink Always. Name: Alex Location: Calgary, AB Join Date: Mar 2011 Motorcycle(s): '08 Ninja 250, '05 GSX-R600 Posts: A lot.	I don't understand... what's wrong with this video that's so funny? p.s i never understood risers to lower the bars LOL __________________________________________________ blink-182

November 4th, 2011, 01:14 PM	#18
alex.s wat Name: wat Location: tustin/long beach Join Date: Sep 2009 Motorcycle(s): wat Posts: Too much. Blog Entries: 5 MOTM - Oct '12, Feb '14	im at work and i just busted out laughing when i saw the $500 damper that ISNT CONNECTED! lmfao!!!! __________________________________________________

November 4th, 2011, 07:51 AM	#2
Vampyre ninjette.org sage Name: Joseph Location: Winter Park, FL Join Date: May 2011 Motorcycle(s): 2011 250R Black, 2005 ZX-6R Blue Posts: 623	Is that scott's damper not connected to anything?

November 4th, 2011, 08:03 AM	#3
exploring/carolina ninjette.org guru Name: Bill Location: NC Join Date: Apr 2011 Motorcycle(s): Ninja 250 Posts: 282	Looked at Scott's site & photos, looks like the damper is set up as shown in their photo. Lot's of stuff on that Ninja!

November 4th, 2011, 08:05 AM	#4
Mocha Man Blue Shell magnet Name: Nolan Location: Northwest Washington Join Date: Aug 2011 Motorcycle(s): 1997 Ninja 250 Posts: 816	Lol wow...some people...

November 4th, 2011, 08:07 AM	#5
saxnbass ninjette.org certified postwhore Name: Eric Location: Nashville, TN Join Date: Oct 2011 Motorcycle(s): 2009 CBR600rr Posts: A lot. Blog Entries: 1	I saw that a few weeks ago, was hoping I'd never have to see it again... thanks. :P

November 4th, 2011, 09:49 AM	#8
akima Nooblet Name: Akima Location: England Join Date: Jul 2011 Motorcycle(s): 2011 Ninja 250R FI Posts: A lot. Blog Entries: 5 MOTM - Oct '13	I don't see a problem there. I just see a video of a husband who's lovingly customized a Ninjette for his wife! That exhaust seemed overly noisy for my tastes.

November 4th, 2011, 10:02 AM	#10
GateKeeper ninjette.org member Name: Dan Location: Mississauga Join Date: Oct 2011 Motorcycle(s): 250 Ninja - Soon Posts: 96	I have to agree with you Akima,,,, I don't see anything out of the ordinary on this bike, most of it was done to help out his wife to get on and off the bike safely, and handle it at a stop. Some is cosmetic, the green rims, but hey most put on just the pinstripe, he decided to do the whole rim, he did a tail eliminator, and got rid of the front blinkers, and incorporated it into the mirrors instead. Yes the exhaust is a bit loud, even for my taste, but to each his own, my Yosh pipe on the 750 is loud, and I like it. Actually if you listen to all he has done, it's all be done correctly, and nothing has been done to hamper the bike.... I have seen this vid in the past, and I liked what he did, and still do sorry I don't see this as a fail.....but that is just my opinion

November 4th, 2011, 10:18 AM	#11
Heed ninjette.org certified postwhore Name: John Location: Illinois Join Date: Aug 2011 Motorcycle(s): None yet, yet. Posts: A lot.	thats a lot of fking mods. id rather have the Repsol

November 4th, 2011, 10:59 AM	#14
akima Nooblet Name: Akima Location: England Join Date: Jul 2011 Motorcycle(s): 2011 Ninja 250R FI Posts: A lot. Blog Entries: 5 MOTM - Oct '13	The stock tires aren't that bad. Unless you're racing, I see no reason why you can't use the stock tires until they wear out, before buying a new set. He might also be planning to fill the indicator hole. Just out of curiosity: why do you think a steering damper is not necessary? I don't know much about them.

November 4th, 2011, 12:04 PM	#16
fujimumu ninjette.org member Name: Kensai Location: New Jersey Join Date: Sep 2009 Motorcycle(s): Blue 2009 Ninja 250R Posts: 103	I was waiting for someone to hop the curb and smash his bikes...I might have laughed if that happened.

November 4th, 2011, 01:38 PM	#20
Lil_Green_Demon Winging It In Life Name: Umar Location: SoCal Join Date: Aug 2011 Motorcycle(s): 2010 250R; 2011 250R (sold) Posts: A lot.	The only thing that made me laugh was the way he spoke. He didn't even pronounce 'accordingly' correctly. My sense of humor is humorous. Btw, that's a nice looking Repsol. __________________________________________________ 2011 Kawasaki Ninja 250R (Bought - Apr 22, 2011; Sold - Feb 17, 2015) 2010 Kawasaki Ninja 250R (Bought - May 01, 2017; Current)

November 4th, 2011, 04:16 PM	#22
Lil_Green_Demon Winging It In Life Name: Umar Location: SoCal Join Date: Aug 2011 Motorcycle(s): 2010 250R; 2011 250R (sold) Posts: A lot.	You're the only one who laughed when you watched this. I'm the only one who laughed when I watched this. __________________________________________________ 2011 Kawasaki Ninja 250R (Bought - Apr 22, 2011; Sold - Feb 17, 2015) 2010 Kawasaki Ninja 250R (Bought - May 01, 2017; Current)

November 4th, 2011, 04:18 PM	#23
Kevin2109 KThanksBye Name: Kevin Location: Orange County Join Date: Mar 2011 Motorcycle(s): 2006 zx636r Posts: A lot.	Totally thought she was going to be hot... Nope... Looks like she could be his mom __________________________________________________ ----> My Youtube! <---- Unregistered, watch my youtube page!

November 4th, 2011, 04:34 PM	#24
Mountain Dew Ambrosia. Name: Jaymie Location: Oahu, Hawaii Join Date: Aug 2011 Motorcycle(s): 1974 Honda CB550K0 W.I.P. Posts: A lot.	4.5" drop, and the bike has 6.1" ground clearance stock. And that's not taking into account the sag from the rear shock. I hope they enjoy not being able to get over speed bumps, curbs, and parking lot entrances. All he did really was squid out the bike. An unnecessarily loud exhaust, "stage 2" jet kit (LOL), lowered it so it's nearly sitting on the ground, installed a nearly useless damper that's not even connected, and cheaped out on the integrated front mirrors. Sure it may be a bit more comfortable for her to sit on when sitting still, but it seems pretty useless as an enjoyment bike. __________________________________________________ Life's better on the Mountain.

November 4th, 2011, 08:21 PM	#25
Cuongism ninjette.org certified postwhore Name: Cuong Location: San Diego Join Date: Jul 2010 Motorcycle(s): 2008 Ninja 250r, 2007 Daytona 675 Posts: A lot.	I don't get the joke...I thought maybe someone was gonna hop on the bike in the end and steal the bike. Sadly disappointed.

November 4th, 2011, 09:00 PM	#26
Cazper ninjaholic Name: Dustin Location: Oceanside, CA Join Date: Jun 2010 Motorcycle(s): 09' SE 250R (sold), 03' ZX-6R, 99' XL1200C SP Posts: A lot. Blog Entries: 3	That bike must ride horribly... I can understand lowering it for a shorter rider... but not so much that it's unrideable. They don't make front lowering blocks that large because it isn't advisable. I too caught the undertail that was worn through from rubbing on the back tire... that doesn't seem very safe to me Trust me I understand modifying an entry level bike... I've spent over $2K on my $4.5K bike, so I don't feel adding mods is useless... but when it makes the bike unsafe or nearly unrideable it is indeed a fail. __________________________________________________ 09' SE Ninja 250R $2,547.83 worth of mods installed... come on Unregistered, you know you want to know what? Check my Blog "Modification List"

November 4th, 2011, 09:11 PM	#27
leed ninjette.org sage Name: David Location: Loves Park, IL Join Date: Feb 2011 Motorcycle(s): Time will tell Posts: 969	Short people need to ride too, that's why we lean to one side! I'm not quite that short, but dang 4.5" drop; the new generation 250 only has 6.1" of ground clearance! A pothole would bottom that thing out, need not mention a speedbump! But hey, if she rides it, I have no qualms.

November 4th, 2011, 09:29 PM	#28
Mountain Dew Ambrosia. Name: Jaymie Location: Oahu, Hawaii Join Date: Aug 2011 Motorcycle(s): 1974 Honda CB550K0 W.I.P. Posts: A lot.	Thinking about it, I can't imagine how much lean angle is gone from a 4.5" drop. If I could scrape pegs leaning at stock height, and I didn't even get to the edge of the tire... __________________________________________________ Life's better on the Mountain.

November 4th, 2011, 09:51 PM	#29
kaiserz There's a limit to s2pdty Name: A.D. Location: NoVa the burg Join Date: Apr 2011 Motorcycle(s): 250r ninja (sold) Posts: A lot.	What's wrong with this vid o.o? it's their bike... I believe they're entitled do what ever they want. It doesn't seem practical and some of it doesn't make sense. but yeah it's their bike.

November 5th, 2011, 05:32 AM	#30
rockNroll . Name: rock Location: greenville, south carolina Join Date: Jun 2009 Motorcycle(s): black Posts: A lot.	The plot was lame and the ending... anticlimactic. He wasn't as gangsta as most of the walk around videos I've seen, but I still must give this video a thumbs down. __________________________________________________ Always get a second opinion because most of these people are makin' this stuff up

November 5th, 2011, 07:56 AM	#31
CC Cowboy ninjette.org certified postwhore Name: Whodat Location: Ware Is.,MA Join Date: Jan 2009 Motorcycle(s): I pass the wind! Posts: A lot. MOTM - Mar '13, Jun '14	Anyone know where I can get a pair of those valve stem covers? __________________________________________________ If everything seems under control; you're just not going fast enough!

November 5th, 2011, 08:03 AM	#32
WhiteRice Kamikaze Squirrel Name: Zach Location: NJ Join Date: Sep 2011 Motorcycle(s): 2010 250r Posts: 300	4" drop brings the bike seat height to 26". That's one tiny wife. I don't get all the hate though, he dressed up the bike for his lady. I'm sure plenty of people would do the same to ride with their SO.

November 5th, 2011, 03:15 PM	#33
Lil_Green_Demon Winging It In Life Name: Umar Location: SoCal Join Date: Aug 2011 Motorcycle(s): 2010 250R; 2011 250R (sold) Posts: A lot.	Rewatched the video. Was that older woman his wife? __________________________________________________ 2011 Kawasaki Ninja 250R (Bought - Apr 22, 2011; Sold - Feb 17, 2015) 2010 Kawasaki Ninja 250R (Bought - May 01, 2017; Current)

November 5th, 2011, 06:08 PM	#34
setasai ninjette.org certified postwhore Name: Brian Location: Detroit, MI Join Date: Jun 2010 Motorcycle(s): 2009 Ninja 250R Green Posts: A lot.	I wonder if there is a tally on how much money went into modifications on that bike. I had a pretty good chuckle with this video. I respect his initiative to get the bike ridable for his wife but some of those mods are not in the rider's best interest. Especially if he/she is a new rider. A 4.5" drop is quite a bit and is kinda dangerous. An integrated tail light only makes it more difficult to see the signals and with that hole in the rear fairing, I cant imagine how much stuff is going to end up being flung up there on a rainy day.

August 10th, 2013, 06:25 PM	#36
Bob2010 ninjette.org sage Name: Bob Location: NY Join Date: Jul 2012 Motorcycle(s): 2010 Ninja 250 2009 Ninja 250 Posts: 730	are they members here? I watched to see the 2nd bike, and the race exhaust sound clip I never knew Jardine made a race muffler for the 250 http://youtu.be/ZAuRcjDjihc the youtube button dont work for me, I copy the "share url" from youtube page and paste here but it dont work? __________________________________________________ 2010 Red Ninja 250 2009 Black Ninja 250 -If you ride like lightning,you're gonna crash like thunder-

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