HID conversion

[Verus Cidere]

Originally Posted by Rayme

I'm eager to see the shots, I'm totally not sold on those things

Any possibility of replacing the halogen high-beam bulb on this kit with another HID bulb?

[Verus Cidere]

Found this on Ebay.....

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eB...K%3AMEWAX%3AIT

Would this work? It says it'll work on all motorcycles, but I would think that would assume that we've got a split bulb hi-beam/lo-beam setup, which the pregens don't have.....??

[ASecretNinja]

Originally Posted by Verus Cidere

Found this on Ebay.....

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eB...K%3AMEWAX%3AIT

Would this work? It says it'll work on all motorcycles, but I would think that would assume that we've got a split bulb hi-beam/lo-beam setup, which the pregens don't have.....??

That looks 99% the same as the kit that I got, which is a dual-beam hi/low set-up, which works. Like I said in my original write up, the halogen highbeam is pretty weak, but the xenon lo-beam is so good that I never need the high beam.

Going to give one more plug for lightningindustries.com because of their awesome plug and play kits.

[Verus Cidere]

So would it be possible to replace the halogen high-beam with a different HID bulb?

[ASecretNinja]

Not with my kit. I just talked to my friend at LightningIndustries (where I bought my kit). But like I said, don't knock the Xenon low beam until you try it. I never even need a high beam anymore.

Feel free to google bi-xenon HID kits, but they are triple the price of what I paid and there is twice as much hardware to mount. I can't say how happy I am with mine. Best 50 dollars I've spent on an upgrade.

[Verus Cidere]

Found this on eBay....

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eB...K%3AMEWAX%3AIT

Looks like it's just a straight replacement to the regular bulb, but I'm a little confused. It says "Halogen HID" Does that even exist? I thought it was either halogen, or HID. Is this just a cheap knock-off of a real HID kit?

[Grn99Kawi]

Originally Posted by Verus Cidere

Found this on eBay....

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eB...K%3AMEWAX%3AIT

Looks like it's just a straight replacement to the regular bulb, but I'm a little confused. It says "Halogen HID" Does that even exist? I thought it was either halogen, or HID. Is this just a cheap knock-off of a real HID kit?

That's junk.. a halogen dipped in blue . Real HID kits have the ballast(s), bulb(s) and wiring.. true HID setups use all the aforementioned and a housing and lense designed for HID beam patterns.

[ASecretNinja]

Originally Posted by Grn99Kawi

That's junk.. a halogen dipped in blue . Real HID kits have the ballast(s), bulb(s) and wiring.. true HID setups use all the aforementioned and a housing and lense designed for HID beam patterns.

+1. You want xenon, not halogen.

[Verus Cidere]

Any housing lenses for the ninjette or do we have to make our own? Can we just use the stock one?

[Imthebriman]

Originally Posted by Verus Cidere

Any housing lenses for the ninjette or do we have to make our own? Can we just use the stock one?

You need to make one or else you could blind oncoming traffic but atleast they will see you right?
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[ASecretNinja]

Originally Posted by Verus Cidere

Any housing lenses for the ninjette or do we have to make our own? Can we just use the stock one?

You don't have to replace the housing lens. Where did this come from? The HID kit that I bought (and others I have seen) are merely a replacement bulb, with a ballast that you have to mount somewhere. You are not replacing the entire headlight unit.

[Verus Cidere]

Is this another one of those fakes?

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/NEW-H...Q5fAccessories

[ASecretNinja]

Originally Posted by Verus Cidere

Is this another one of those fakes?

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/NEW-H...Q5fAccessories

Yes.

www.lightninindustries.com

Get their HID set up and let this thread die already lol.

[Verus Cidere]

Can you check your link Chad? It doesn't seem to be working for me.

[Imthebriman]

http://www.lightningindustries.com

He accidentally left out the G

[Imthebriman]

Originally Posted by ASecretNinja

You don't have to replace the housing lens. Where did this come from? The HID kit that I bought (and others I have seen) are merely a replacement bulb, with a ballast that you have to mount somewhere. You are not replacing the entire headlight unit.

It is understood that it is just a replacement bulb. The main concern is that without proper reflectors in the housing that the scatter from the light would blind oncoming traffic. I personally don't care. My car doesnt have any special housing for the HIDs. I found an H4 kit at Harbor Freight for $50. The only thing is, they are on single beam....i think since it comes with two ballasts and two bulbs, I will have a back up...

[LazinCajun]

Originally Posted by ASecretNinja

Yes.

www.lightninindustries.com

Get their HID set up and let this thread die already lol.

Does the lightning industries kit leave the xenon bulb at the same place as stock, or do you have to modify it with spacers like the kit from the DIY thread?
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[ASecretNinja]

Originally Posted by LazinCajun

Does the lightning industries kit leave the xenon bulb at the same place as stock, or do you have to modify it with spacers like the kit from the DIY thread?
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Bulb is in the same spot. It's fully plug and play.

And sorry for spelling the site wrong earlier, and thanks for the correction!

[ASecretNinja]

Originally Posted by Imthebriman

It is understood that it is just a replacement bulb. The main concern is that without proper reflectors in the housing that the scatter from the light would blind oncoming traffic. I personally don't care. My car doesnt have any special housing for the HIDs. I found an H4 kit at Harbor Freight for $50. The only thing is, they are on single beam....i think since it comes with two ballasts and two bulbs, I will have a back up...

Exactly. Even without modifying my housing, my bike isn't any brighter than the HIDs from cars blinding me as they come from the other direction.

[Imthebriman]

Originally Posted by ASecretNinja

Exactly. Even without modifying my housing, my bike isn't any brighter than the HIDs from cars blinding me as they come from the other direction.

That's why I don't really care about modding the housing. You wouldn't happen to have the part number to the kit you bought would you?
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[LazinCajun]

Originally Posted by ASecretNinja

Bulb is in the same spot. It's fully plug and play.

Oops, I just realized this thread was for pre-gen, not 08+.

Can anybody tell me if the lightningindustries kit will require adding spacers to the bulb for the new gen 250's? Sorry to bring this up again, but I'm going to be doing the conversion in somebody else's garage, so I want to be 100% prepared before I start.

[ASecretNinja]

Lazin, e-mail Tim at LI
info@lightningindustries.com
And ask him. I have a pre-gen so I don't know how different the new ones are. He may know, he helped me a lot.

[Greg_E]

What about some of the real Bi-Xenon kits that have been salvaged or built from car parts that have a real Bi-Xenon with actuator for the high beams, how many projectors can we safely run in a pregen? Would be nice to get two of them and have lots of light out there in both low and high beam. Yes it would require a fairing mod as well as custom mounts, but very cool.

I know they are rated at 35 watts, but what is the real draw including what is wasted in the ballast? The normal low beam is a real 55 watts draw and maybe 65 draw in high. Anyone running illegal 100 watt high beams without problems?

Thinking something like this:
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eB...m=290343688364 (but one with better shipping!)

[WHITE-LITE]

Check my thread out I offer 55 Watt Slim, Reg and Bi Xenon HID KITS
http://www.ninjette.org/forums/showthread.php?t=27945

[Greg_E]

I did not see any Bi-xenon kits listed, and nothing with reflectors/projectors either. Are these new or sold out?

[WHITE-LITE]

Originally Posted by Greg_E

I did not see any Bi-xenon kits listed, and nothing with reflectors/projectors either. Are these new or sold out?

Is the question for me? If so I have not had time to list my 55 Watt Bi-Xenon kits and as far as the projectors we do not offer those.. thanks

white-lite

[Verus Cidere]

I have another one for you guys. Good or bad?

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Kawas...=p4506.c0.m245

[Greg_E]

You loose the high beam, those are single element replacement bulbs. So if you don't mind loosing the high beam (and possibly not passing the inspection) it sure is cheap. if you had a two eye bike like the newer machines the price would put in in the realm of might as well try it.

[WHITE-LITE]

Originally Posted by Verus Cidere

I have another one for you guys. Good or bad?

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Kawas...=p4506.c0.m245

^^^cheap ballast and bulb very low grade ^^^


what kits do you guys need I offer real 55watt bi-xenon kits pm me

[Verus Cidere]

Can you post a link to one of your bi-xenon kits? Are they plug-n-play or do they require modification?

[WHITE-LITE]

Originally Posted by Verus Cidere

Can you post a link to one of your bi-xenon kits? Are they plug-n-play or do they require modification?

Sure let me get some pictures together

[Verus Cidere]

Thanks!

[bobaab]

Just a warning to everyone thinking about doing an "HID conversion". Although the bulbs themselves may be DOT approved, current law states that HID lights are only legal if installed on the vehicle from the manufacturers factories. Meaning, HID lights are not street legal.

Why?
HID bulbs give out a completely different light pattern than our trusty old halogen bulbs. The housing for the halogen bulbs are developed FOR halogen bulbs and focus the beam in a correct way. This is especially true for cars, but, for motorcycles as well.

Please read through this before for a much much better explanation...

http://www.danielsternlighting.com/t...nversions.html

You guys say you don't really care about oncoming traffic, but it can seriously be dangerous. Imagine you come up to a car on some twisties, managing to blind the oncoming driver. He won't be able to see and hits you. Or even if it is just HIM that gets in an accident. Where did that $50 go?

To each their own, but please consider the safety of others. I really needed to say this since no one else brought it up here...which I am terribly surprised of. Be safe, have fun!

[Verus Cidere]

Thanks for the heads-up. There was a bit of a fight over this on page one I believe though. I've been thinking about that though as well. Do you happen to know of any modifications that can be done (lenses, housings, etc.) that will make the correct beam pattern and still fit in our bikes?

[WHITE-LITE]

Originally Posted by bobaab

Just a warning to everyone thinking about doing an "HID conversion". Although the bulbs themselves may be DOT approved, current law states that HID lights are only legal if installed on the vehicle from the manufacturers factories. Meaning, HID lights are not street legal.

Why?
HID bulbs give out a completely different light pattern than our trusty old halogen bulbs. The housing for the halogen bulbs are developed FOR halogen bulbs and focus the beam in a correct way. This is especially true for cars, but, for motorcycles as well.

Please read through this before for a much much better explanation...

http://www.danielsternlighting.com/t...nversions.html

You guys say you don't really care about oncoming traffic, but it can seriously be dangerous. Imagine you come up to a car on some twisties, managing to blind the oncoming driver. He won't be able to see and hits you. Or even if it is just HIM that gets in an accident. Where did that $50 go?

To each their own, but please consider the safety of others. I really needed to say this since no one else brought it up here...which I am terribly surprised of. Be safe, have fun!

Its all all about preference.. If you actually want to see what's on the road go with HID'S

low beam

[Rayme]

Originally Posted by bobaab

Just a warning to everyone thinking about doing an "HID conversion". Although the bulbs themselves may be DOT approved, current law states that HID lights are only legal if installed on the vehicle from the manufacturers factories. Meaning, HID lights are not street legal.

Why?
HID bulbs give out a completely different light pattern than our trusty old halogen bulbs. The housing for the halogen bulbs are developed FOR halogen bulbs and focus the beam in a correct way. This is especially true for cars, but, for motorcycles as well.

Please read through this before for a much much better explanation...

http://www.danielsternlighting.com/t...nversions.html

You guys say you don't really care about oncoming traffic, but it can seriously be dangerous. Imagine you come up to a car on some twisties, managing to blind the oncoming driver. He won't be able to see and hits you. Or even if it is just HIM that gets in an accident. Where did that $50 go?

To each their own, but please consider the safety of others. I really needed to say this since no one else brought it up here...which I am terribly surprised of. Be safe, have fun!

This sadly won't go to some people's brain.

You got to ask yourself why you don't see HID kits in wal-marts, pep boys or all other retailers...Because it's illegal to sell them.

[bobaab]

Originally Posted by Verus Cidere

Thanks for the heads-up. There was a bit of a fight over this on page one I believe though. I've been thinking about that though as well. Do you happen to know of any modifications that can be done (lenses, housings, etc.) that will make the correct beam pattern and still fit in our bikes?

You're right, I missed the first page! But I still don't think there was enough information about the "side effects" of HID conversions. I don't know of any mods, except to actually retrofit a projector in the housing.

Originally Posted by WHITE-LITE

Its all all about preference.. If you actually want to see what's on the road go with HID'S

It's not about preference, it's about the law and some respect for other motorists. I'm not a cop by any means, but I do hate lame Civics that have HID conversions blinding me in my low profile MR2.

Originally Posted by Rayme

This sadly won't go to some people's brain.

You got to ask yourself why you don't see HID kits in wal-marts, pep boys or all other retailers...Because it's illegal to sell them.

Very good point about kits not sold at retail stores! That is exactly why

[Momaru]

While not strictly, legal as mentioned above, if you're serious about getting real HID, with correct projectors, etc, check this out. Probably will cost a major limb to get to the US, but this is the only model I've seen actually made for the ninjette, new-gens anyway.

http://www.ninjette.org/forums/showp...6&postcount=17

[Greg_E]

You can LEGALLY convert any vehicle to HID with kits from Hella, they are lamp, projector and if you go BiXenon you can get the servo actuator for the high/low beam deflection. They do have ASE/DOT approved kits for this, but they are not by any means cheap.

Page 10 in this catalog:
http://www.myhellalights.com/brochure.pdf

They also somewhere have a motorcycle specific HID system, but I think it may be OEM only.

[bobaab]

Good find...here you go guys, maybe one of you guys can retrofit this legal bulb and projector into your headhlight housing. It will set you back over $500 though.

http://www.summitracing.com/parts/HL...1/?image=large