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Old August 25th, 2017, 10:42 PM   #1
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Track Costs 2017

So here in Denver getting to the track is an absurdly expensive ordeal, at least in my opinion.

Out of curiosity how much are track entrance fees for all of you out there? Please list your state and cost of admission as well as any other relevant details.

For me:

State: Colorado
Typical Full Day Entrance Fee: $160
Typical Half Day Entrance Fee: $100
Other Notes: A typical spring/summer/fall season only has 10-12 open lapping days for motorcycles.
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Old August 26th, 2017, 01:05 AM   #2
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Here's some events in California:

$150 Thunderhill 5-mile, Monday 14-aug
$200 Thunderhill East, Sat. 19-aug
$200 Thunderhill East, Sun. 20-aug
$295 Laguna Seca, Sat. 26-aug
$295 Laguna Seca, Sun. 27-aug
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It can be complicated.

Depends on the organization you're riding with, weekday vs. weekend, memberships, additional fees, etc.

Example:
I did a NYST-run event earlier this month.
Basic membership $49 (one time fee per year)
Fees: $180/day
Surprise camping fee they didn't tell me about until I rolled up to the gate: $20/day

This includes access to coaches but no classrooms.

So that weekend cost me $449 all-in, without the "rain insurance" they try to push on you.


The organization I usually ride with is Tony's Track Days.

Pricing is all-inclusive... there is no "rain insurance," no camping fee, etc. Includes classroom sessions and access to coaching.

Basic (non-member) pricing:

One Weekday - $250 / One Weekend Day - $300
2 Day Event (one of each) - $500
2 Day Event (both weekend days) - $550

Member pricing (memberships are $500/year or $425 if you pay in cash the prior season... break-even is 5 track days so this rewards you if you ride more):

One Weekday - $150 / One Weekend Day - $200
2 Day Event (one of each) - $300
2 Day Event (both weekend days) - $350

Tony also does discounts for cash payment in advance... $15 per day.

Bottom line is that it evens out to somewhere in the vicinity of $160-$180 per day average if you ride enough and go for the membership, which is pretty much in line with the NYST pricing. If you just do the occasional track day, no membership, etc. the per-day costs skyrockets.
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Old August 26th, 2017, 05:45 AM   #4
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north ca 180 and up, depending who providing and where the track is
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Old August 26th, 2017, 08:05 AM   #5
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thats a pretty reasonable price. consider the consequences of riding fast at the track vs fast on the public roads. then its a no brainer. risk vs reward.
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Old August 26th, 2017, 09:18 AM   #6
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Washington State area orgs, alphabetically. Prices for early registration where applicable:
2Fast: $229
MotoFit: $230 1-day, $420 2-day
OPRT: $165
TrackTime: $275 track, $499 track+dedicated coach

Some price differences I know -- TrackTime runs a /very/ low bike count, which is great but costly. OPRT gives the best discount if you purchase early.
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Old August 26th, 2017, 10:04 AM   #7
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Harris Hill

Here at Harris Hill Raceway in San Marcos, Texas, you can ride as a guest for $150 per day.

To become a member costs you a one time $500 entry fee, of which $150 is deducted if you've previously done a track day, from then on it's only $150/month

We just did a RideSmart day at COTA which cost me $400 for the day, plus another $75 for a garage spot.
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NHMS: FREE (yay).
Palmer: $50/day per bay; a bay can hold four bikes.
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It varies per org and depends on earlybird pricing, but Blackhawk farms northern Illinois is about 160, Road America about 250.

Now this for the win: USAIR kart track, Shawano, Wi: $45 to rip all day, with no CR's to suck the fun out of your day. 18 turns and 1.1 miles of technical prime asphalt with traction forever. Hell yeah.

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Kart/Supermoto tracks really are a good value. The one at VIR is $40 for all day, but not as big or nice as the one in that photo.
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It varies per org and depends on earlybird pricing, but Blackhawk farms northern Illinois is about 160, Road America about 250.

Now this for the win: USAIR kart track, Shawano, Wi: $45 to rip all day, with no CR's to suck the fun out of your day. 18 turns and 1.1 miles of technical prime asphalt with traction forever. Hell yeah.

Wow, that is what I wish we had around here. As someone who can't currently invest $1,000-$2,000 / year in just track fees a quality karting track would be fantastic. We have a karting track, but let's just say the asphalt leaves something to be desired.


As for everything else...well it seems prices are on par with the rest of the country. Bummer it is so expensive. Good thing I can split time between asphalt and dirt....dirt costs $15 a day usually, or just the fuel to the trails.
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Hell, if that were close to me I'd buy a Grom just to ride there.
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Wow, that is what I wish we had around here. As someone who can't currently invest $1,000-$2,000 / year in just track fees a quality karting track would be fantastic. We have a karting track, but let's just say the asphalt leaves something to be desired.
We also have a kart track on the infield of Road America, but it's kinda like the one you described - patched all to hell. Make me nervous to ride there because many parts of the track have differing traction levels. It's a little smaller too. Cost is the same though.

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Palm Beach International Raceway or Homestead (Miami) Speedway, Florida.
$205 the day. 7 Sessions of 20 mins.

In Italy, I went to Circuit of Monza and paid 40 EUR for each 25 mins session. They charge by session.
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Monza as in THE Monza? The F1 track? Gotta believe that'd be boring on a bike. Mostly long straights.
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Yes, the F1 circuit.

As you said, long straights and hard braking. About 12 turns, many of them very fast. Kind of scary.
Good brakes and in excellent condition are a must.
It's fun on a fast bike. Probably not good for a 250/300.
I had a CBR600 at the time. A liter bike would have been better.

They don't do motorcycle track days very often, but when they do, it fills up quickly.
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Yes, the F1 circuit.

As you said, long straights and hard braking. About 12 turns, many of them very fast. Kind of scary.
Good brakes and in excellent condition are a must.
It's fun on a fast bike. Probably not good for a 250/300.
I had a CBR600 at the time. A liter bike would have been better.

They don't do motorcycle track days very often, but when they do, it fills up quickly.
COTA is pretty interesting on a bike, I've done that one probably half dozen times now.
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did it once, added up everything I could do or have instead...went right back to riding and never tried adding it up again

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In SoCal, usually prices will vary depending on which organization you go with and which day you go on. The ones listed are the ones more frequent in SoCal, although give or take a few that's up north like Laguna Seca and Thunder Hills or Spring Mountain that's in Neveda.



The one I frequent the most in SoCal is Auto Club Speedway in Fontana, CA.
Ticket Price: $279.00 (usual Saturday & Sunday price, unless stated otherwise)
Door Fee: Free
Gas: Moto - $0.00; Car- $40.00 (if tank empty), approximately $10.00 (if tank full) since I live 20 minutes away.
Garage: Free. First come, first serve. (Comes with air and electricity)
Sessions: 7, 20 minutes
Groups: 1 (Beginner), 2 (Intermediate), 3 (Advanced)

I put about a few thousand a year into track since I track once a month, mostly at ACS. I have no qualms on how much I spend on track life though. I love that I can learn so much on track and find the money spent is well worth it.
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after i dumped tons of dollars on the bike, and continue to do so,
the wife wanted to know how much it was worth now. i did not have the heart to tell her we have far exceeded the bike worth and these were dollars we can never recover.
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did it once, added up everything I could do or have instead...went right back to riding and never tried adding it up again

we're fueled by passion not logical financial sense
Although, I saved huge money on tires when I sold my 675R and went to the 300 for a track/race bike. Tire cost is about as much as track costs, at least when you get race tires and a faster pace. I was burning up a $440 set of Pirellis in 2 days, while the Dunlop A13's on my 300 lasted most of a season.
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I wish I could live without doing the numbers, but I can't.

That's the beauty of the 250/300. You still get tons of fun, if not more than on a big bike, but spending much less money.
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It really depends on which organization and which day you go on here in SoCal because prices will fluctuate and vary with each one. Here's a list of the different organizations that runs in SoCal, give or take a few that's up north like Laguna Seca, Thunder Hill and Spring Mountain that's in Neveda.



My personal home track that I frequent often is Auto Club Speedway in Fontana, San Bernardino, CA.
Ticket Fee: $279.00 (for usual weekend pricing, unless stated otherwise)
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Gas: $9.00-$12.00 (for Ninja 300 that will last all day); Truck (to get there): $50.00 (if tank is empty. will fluctuate with gas prices), $15.00 (if tank is full) since I live about 20 minutes away.
Sessions: 7 sessions (9:00AM-4:00PM), 20 minutes.
Groups: 1 (Beginner), 2 (Intermediate), 3 (Advanced)

I throw in thousands of dollars a year into tracking (tires, gas, oil changes, ticket pricing, etc.) especially since I frequent ACS the most (once a month), but I never have any qualms with it since I know how much I'm putting in and I think it's well worth the price. You get to learn so much on track and it's terribly fun and addicting.
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I wish I could live without doing the numbers, but I can't.

That's the beauty of the 250/300. You still get tons of fun, if not more than on a big bike, but spending much less money.
Yeah me too, no matter how much I'd like to ignore, there's concrete numbers with finances. Most critical being there's a fixed amount of income I have to work with each month. So I cut costs wherever I can to spend the savings on trackday fees. Things like:

- adding trailer-hitch to my station-wagon instead of buying a truck
- converting my mini-trailer used for wheels & toolbox to carry a bike instead of renting one each time
- buying used gear (uncrashed in good condition)
- using Alpha-13 tyres instead of Pirelli
- camping @ track instead of hotels
- pack my own meals rather than eating out
- buying season passes rather than 1 day @ a time

These drastic measures allows me to get in 11 days @ track in a 1-month period.

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it varies per org and depends on earlybird pricing, but blackhawk farms northern illinois is about 160, road america about 250.

Now this for the win: Usair kart track, shawano, wi: $45 to rip all day, with no cr's to suck the fun out of your day. 18 turns and 1.1 miles of technical prime asphalt with traction forever. Hell yeah.

how are you getting the $45 price as there is nothing on there site about it. Is there an organization you are running through that we cant find?
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Best not to know, then you can't tell the misus if she asks... without lying!
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how are you getting the $45 price as there is nothing on there site about it. Is there an organization you are running through that we cant find?
I'm about to let you in on the secret to low track costs - get rid of organizations. They have too many expenses. At USAIR, you just come in with your bike, pay the lady and rip.

At USAIR they are open to the public on any day they don't event scheduled. It does make weekend dates a little harder to come by, but if you go there on a weekday you get the whole place to yourself. When people hear kart track they think of little 10 foot wide putt putt tracks. USAIR isn't like that. They are big enough to race cars there and several sports car clubs make visits. Here's a preview, from a few years back on a supermoto. (I wish I still had that bike)

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How is safety dealt with? Is there an ambulance on station? What happens if you crash... is there a flatbed? Are there corner marshals? Is there any mechanism to keep hot-headed riders from behaving like a$$hats?

This is where the costs come into play. Renting a track and all associated safety services is expensive.

At my last track day there was a severe crash. The rider will be okay but had to have surgery. Ambulance was on scene within a couple of minutes.
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One endurance race costs me $200.00 for four morning practice sessions and three hours of racing in the afternoon. Heck of a deal and super cheap when you split it between three riders it usually costs each guy less than $100.00. Last weekend cost each guy $80.00 because we split tire, gas, and other costs for consumables. Definitely the best bang for the buck when it comes to getting quality track time. Plus endurance racing is super fun!
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How is safety dealt with? Is there an ambulance on station? What happens if you crash... is there a flatbed? Are there corner marshals? Is there any mechanism to keep hot-headed riders from behaving like a$$hats?
Safety doesn't need to be "dealt with" at a kart track, where average speeds are about half or less of what they are at big track. For example, I've crashed there 3 times and never hurt myself. While my last 2 crashes at the big tracks broke a total of 11 bones. But in any case, at this particular track, a hospital with full emergency services is a 5 minute drive away. I do like to be there with at least one friend in case something happens, but mostly because I like friends.

Asshats would get kicked out of the facility if needed. I've been going to USAIR since 2011, and that has NEVER happened. In fact everyone is awesome. We have wives, sons and daughters on the track, all having fun. Some kids as young as 6 ride there and we always give them plenty of room and support. Basically, the kart tracks are devoid of the usual big swinging dicks you find at the big tracks.

Kart tracks are the "non-orgs" and I love it, and hope they stay that way. Thankfully, track time can be bought directly from the owners, with no orgs involved to increase the cost and impose their will on the riders.
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Safety doesn't need to be "dealt with" at a kart track, where average speeds are about half or less of what they are at big track.
I strongly dislike this line of thinking. Having been to a couple of kart tracks without a "safety plan", it is a fallacy to believe that the slower speeds ensure a non injury day.

In fact, 2 broken wrists, one busted leg, two fractured ribs from being ran over, a few swollen knees and some gimp fingers for icing on the cake.... all from the kark track (various riders over 2yrs time).

It's a ride at your own risk deal, love it or leave it.

It's awesome that this specific facility is within 5 minutes of proper medical services, but I get the impression from your post that it's a non event in general at most kart tracks, and frankly... it's not. If it is for you at your local kart track, you are the exception, not the rule.

Simple fact is, you can pop your collar bone falling off a xr100, ninja 250 or a moped at 25 mph. Where you are is irrelevant.

imho... of course.
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Old August 28th, 2017, 08:40 PM   #33
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csmith no disrespect woud riding a dirt bike in the desert be a no go for you,? where medical could be hours away. i see no problem, to each his own.
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Not at all, but even then... I have a plan.

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There is a difference between no plan, being prepared and giving the impression that you don't event have to worry about it.

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I strongly dislike this line of thinking. Having been to a couple of kart tracks without a "safety plan", it is a fallacy to believe that the slower speeds ensure a non injury day.
That's not my experience. But the simple fact is, I manage my own safety at the kart track and I don't need, or want an org to do it for me.

Though I could certainly understand someone not being comfortable without paramedics standing by at all times. @jrshooter has a good point.
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Not at all, but even then... I have a plan.

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Safety doesn't need to be "dealt with" at a kart track
Let me rephrase this for people who are reading it the wrong way: Ambulances are not needed at kart tracks. Of course personal safety is the responsibility of each and every rider. Is that better?
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@Zaph42 - I respect that 100%, we all have our own tolerances for risk.

Safety/medical services is just a small part of what you pay for when you purchase track time. From my experience, if the org makes 3-4k per day, they are lucky.

I will be 100%honest, I did add up my expenses ONCE... in 2014, it was over 20k. I never done it again and never will. Lesson learned. lol

Doing what we do is expensive, it's a gear intensive hobby/sport. Like scuba, skydiving, ect... ect.. The memories and friends we make are priceless though.
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This... a thousand times this....

To be honest, there's very little I own that it would deeply upset me to lose. Frankly, I can't think of anything at all off the top of my head, but I'm sure there's something.

At the end of the day, what we have are memories.
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