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Old November 13th, 2012, 09:59 AM   #161
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Don't worry, if that's the case (which hopefully it isn't) then they have a solution to your problem. And it's $500 cheaper.

The new models just appeared on the Honda Powersports Canada website this morning. The CB500F is not available here in white or black but rather in candy ruby red.

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Old November 13th, 2012, 10:31 AM   #162
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The CBR 500 just looks like the teenage version of the 2013 CBR 250...really wish they would have semi styled it after the CBR 600, but whatever. I would upgrade to it either way. I prefer black bikes but that red in the 500cc is sweeeeeeet.

Now if Kawasaki brings back the 500 ninja with a new body style I would definitely go with that over the Honda CBR.
Uhm.... They have a ninja 650
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Old November 13th, 2012, 11:02 AM   #163
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Uhm.... They have a ninja 650
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Yet, I'm actually more interested in this than the Ninja 650.
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Old November 13th, 2012, 11:39 AM   #164
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Been looking closely at the photos and specs.

41mm forks. Should be some interesting upgrade options that don't require futzing with the headstock... weren't 41mm forks common on supersports before the BPF arrived?

Bars look like raised clip-ons attached above the triple as opposed to a plain handlebar. So finding clip-ons that will work should be a snap... plain ones attached above or risers attached below. Looks like there's plenty of body clearance, too.

WTF... I can't see anywhere on the swing arm to attach spools. how the heck are we supposed to lift the bike for servicing?
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Old November 13th, 2012, 12:09 PM   #165
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What I like about the 500 is that it fills the void between the 300/650. The 500 is not a direct competitor with either the 300 nor 650 in terms of power or price. It's significantly heavier and more expensive than the 300 and significantly cheaper and lighter than the 650. If this 500 had been out when I was looking for a second bike it would have been seriously looked at (provided of course it comes in black )

I hope to see more sport twins under 650cc's in the future

Newgen 250 will always be #1 though
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I can't wait to see what the torque curve looks like. The one thing that is bugging me is that it's power-to-weight ratio isn't much better than the Ninja 300, but keeping in mind that it'll likely be lower reving and that it has quite a bit more torque it might be more livable on a daily basis for my needs.
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.......It's significantly heavier and more expensive than the 300.......
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Old November 13th, 2012, 12:27 PM   #168
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Ninja 300 -- 375lbs --- $4800 --- 34hp
Honda 500 - 425lbs --- $6000 --- 45-50hp +50lbs --- +$1200
Ninja 650 -- 460lbs --- $7600 --- 70hp --- +35lbs --- +$1600
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Old November 13th, 2012, 12:42 PM   #169
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According to a preview done in one our national news papers here, Honda is claiming that these 471cc machines will get 3.7L/100 km or 63.6 MPG.
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Old November 13th, 2012, 01:40 PM   #170
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Ninja 300 -- 375lbs --- $4800 --- 34hp
Honda 500 - 425lbs --- $6000 --- 45-50hp +50lbs --- +$1200
Ninja 650 -- 460lbs --- $7600 --- 70hp --- +35lbs --- +$1600
That seems negligible rather than significant. Especially the weight, the Ninja is too light for me. Maybe it's a coastal thing, but I could go for something a little more planted for long distance riding.

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Old November 13th, 2012, 01:42 PM   #171
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Depends on what you are doing, 50lbs would feel significant to me in the twisties whereas an extra 130lbs on my 1000 feels negligible on the freeway
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Old November 13th, 2012, 01:56 PM   #172
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That 500 looks pretty sweet to me.
I'd like it if it were sub 400 lbs, but I guess that's tough for a 500?
When that 500 is used on Craigslist for $3500, I'll be a buyer!
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Old November 13th, 2012, 03:41 PM   #173
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That 500 looks pretty sweet to me.
I'd like it if it were sub 400 lbs, but I guess that's tough for a 500?
When that 500 is used on Craigslist for $3500, I'll be a buyer!
Swap the lead pipe brick chrome exhaust and you just might be under 400 lbs.
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Old November 13th, 2012, 04:26 PM   #174
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The weight might be a factor depending on distribution but I believe it to be negligible.

At 425lbs its only slightly porkier then any 600cc SS.

I believe Honda has the right idea with the 500 as a stepping stone between the 250 and larger displacement bikes.
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Depends on what you are doing, 50lbs would feel significant to me in the twisties whereas an extra 130lbs on my 1000 feels negligible on the freeway
I'm sure there are more experienced riders on here that could better and more accurately comment on this, but I think Jiggles has it right. 50 lbs is 13.3% more weight. In the twisties, at least, that must feel significantly different. Certainly noticeable.

If you look at it another way, 13.3% more horsepower on a stock Baby Ninja 300 would take the power from 34 to 38.5 hp. I think that would be noticeable, at the least.
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People focus on absolute weight too much IMO, rake trail steering geometry, steering damper or not, suspension, center of gravity. All these things matter way more then absolute weight. A steep rake and long trail will make a bike far less flick-able then a few pounds.

Ninja 300:

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27 degrees / 3.7 in.

Honda CBR500R:

Rake 25.5 degrees
Trail 103mm (4.05 inches)

I'm guessing based on those numbers alone the CBR500R might feel more flick-able in canyons then the 300, the trade off being stability on highways.
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My 500lb behemoth has a 24.5 rake, I'd still prefer the ninjette for flickability though
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I'm sure there are more experienced riders on here that could better and more accurately comment on this, but I think Jiggles has it right. 50 lbs is 13.3% more weight. In the twisties, at least, that must feel significantly different. Certainly noticeable.

If you look at it another way, 13.3% more horsepower on a stock Baby Ninja 300 would take the power from 34 to 38.5 hp. I think that would be noticeable, at the least.
The weight difference will be noticeable but not overly significant. I believe it's a matter of adjusting to a different bike.
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The weight difference will be noticeable but not overly significant. I believe it's a matter of adjusting to a different bike.
This makes some sense. My experience in aviation is more extensive, and there weight is large part of how and whether an airplane will perform.
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Old November 14th, 2012, 12:39 AM   #180
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"I'd said it before, I'll say it again, 400's are the PERFECT size for a balance of fuel economy and HP."

Well both my GSX650F and the K1300S use less fuel on the highway at 80mph than my Ninja 250R (FI) did.

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anyone post the milan vid with Johnny and the cup version of the 500R. It looks good as a racebike
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Old November 14th, 2012, 01:36 PM   #182
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My 500lb behemoth has a 24.5 rake, I'd still prefer the ninjette for flickability though
Ninja 250 has a steeper rake then the 300:

250 Rake/Trail: 26 degrees / 3.2 in.

There is a relationship between steering effort, weight of the motorcycle, center of gravity of the motorcycle (why mass centralization is such a big deal), and steering geometry. All things equal a lazier steering geometry will be more evident as you try to change direction quickly at higher speeds- at slower speeds the overall weight will be more obvious. I'm not sure what speeds the aggressive rake of the Ninja 1k would make it easier to turn, but I'm guessing it will be much more evident between the CBR500R and 300.

Again, the only real test you can do is to stop looking at stats online and actually ride the bikes.
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Why doesn't everybody just get a fully faired SV650???
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Why doesn't everybody just get a fully faired SV650???
Because I already have a 250 silly! SV650's rock with fairings though. They're on my list of bikes to keep in mind once this one dies.
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Old November 14th, 2012, 07:43 PM   #185
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Why doesn't everybody just get a fully faired SV650???
You could apply that same reductionist argument to just about any CC/class of motorcycle.

That's not saying the SV isn't a great bike. My reasons for considering this over the SV would be dealership support, which is a local thing. As well as seating position, which is quite aggressive on the 650S.
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Old November 14th, 2012, 08:23 PM   #187
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whooaa they want to reborn honda nsr 500 rohtman edition...
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Not sure if this has been posted but heres a small little gallery
http://www.asphaltandrubber.com/raci...00r-race-bike/
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Because Suzuki discontinued it, the bastages!

They were already relatively rare (at least compared to supersports) and are getting harder to find all the time.
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the 500R is a good looking bike in race plastics!

I noticed that Kawi and Honda both did the same thing; they unveiled a new sport bike, and showed off a race version of it at the same time. Why is this? That link says that Honda's 500 is the bike for some European Junior cup, but what about the Ninja 300 that Kawi showed off in race plastics? Was that just for publicity?
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^^ prop just for publicity sake, the 250R was the Junior Cup bike two years ago, replaced by the 690 Duke last year, and now the 500R. I would like to see a small class like this in AMA other than the XR class but the way roadracing in here in the US, it looks like a fat chance kinda thing.
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It looks like the CBR500 has clip-ons and if u need it deeper just turn them upside-down, haha...

Link to original page on YouTube.

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That's an interesting idea, but it looks like the cast riser pieces would have interference issues with the master cylinder.
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Been looking closely at the photos and specs.

41mm forks. Should be some interesting upgrade options that don't require futzing with the headstock... weren't 41mm forks common on supersports before the BPF arrived?

Bars look like raised clip-ons attached above the triple as opposed to a plain handlebar. So finding clip-ons that will work should be a snap... plain ones attached above or risers attached below. Looks like there's plenty of body clearance, too.

WTF... I can't see anywhere on the swing arm to attach spools. how the heck are we supposed to lift the bike for servicing?
the cbr 250s dnt have anywhere for rear swingarm spools either, they make rear stands that just lift the actual swingarm
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Y'know, a CBR500R with an AreaP Quiet Core and appropriate fuel mapping would be pretty freakin' cool.

Just sayin'.
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I think any bike with a quiet full exhaust designed by a forum member with proper fuel mapping would be awesome!
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I wonder if we'll get a Repsol edition in it's 2nd year of production like we did with the CBR250R.
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Honda Fights Back w/ the CBR500

This is the new rival of the Ninja 300R from Honda. A 500cc with a clean look.
I like the new 300R but look at this: This could be the new beginner bike for most people. What do you think?

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If I wanted to go up to a 500 why wouldn't I just skip it and go for the 600 which is much more sexy. I've been reading lots of good reviews on the new 636
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I think 600 is a supersports. The numbers are misleading. This is still a sports touring, more comfortable on the streets! But you could!
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