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Old July 24th, 2011, 05:24 PM   #1
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"Dont get a bike, i dont want you to die."

"Don't get a motorcycle, I don't want you to die." Is a more then common phrase I'm hearing from my friends. As for my parents, their way of dealing with it, is by telling me everytime a motorcycle related death occures. Just recently a motorcycle crashed down the street from my house, apparently he was speeding and a car infront of him stopped to turn into a drive way and he crashed into the back. Heard this today sadly.

But that's not what this thread is about. I'm ok with my parents telling me the stories. But its my friends that are really starting to grind my gears. I ignore them for the most part, but when people constantly say don't get a bike because I don't want you to die, it drives me nuts.

So, how do you cope with these people? I understand they care, but after a while it is tireing.
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Old July 24th, 2011, 05:27 PM   #2
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funny thing is I was reading that article today, same **** was going thru my mind. I mean if you fear death then don't step out the door, you're bound to die in your own home from a heart attack or sudden death. I get mainly cool things from friends about my bike, but the parents are a different story lol.

BTW there was another motorcycle accident yesterday too. Dude ran away from the cops, lost control and plowed into the back of a van doing 100mph.

Best thing to do honestly is try avoiding congested areas, don't speed at all 0 times. take back roads and avoid driving at night if you can. otherwise just be safe and be careful
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Old July 24th, 2011, 05:30 PM   #3
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Old July 24th, 2011, 05:31 PM   #4
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Statistically, they're right. A kid of your age riding a bike is significantly more likely to die/get injured than otherwise. However, if you listened to conventional wisdom you would live a safe, dull life driving your hybrid to and fro, smugly swinging your man purse to jostle your latte.

Riding a motorcylce is inherently more dangerous than driving a car. Ironically this is precisely because of the morons that do drive cages will murder you without a second thought.

However, you can reduce your risk significantly by taking proper precautions. But not matter what you do, you wont reduce the risk totally. Trust me, when you do get a bike, there will be days when you will be almost scared into quitting riding. Utlimately, the decision is up to you - do you enjoy the activity enough to constantly manage the risk?
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Old July 24th, 2011, 05:34 PM   #5
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I get this all the time considering my career (Paramedic). Often it's like "Doesn't your job teach you not to do that?"


My reply?

"My job teaches me how short life is, and to enjoy it."
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Old July 24th, 2011, 05:36 PM   #6
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Old July 24th, 2011, 05:38 PM   #7
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Statistically, they're right. A kid of your age riding a bike is significantly more likely to die/get injured than otherwise. However, if you listened to conventional wisdom you would live a safe, dull life driving your hybrid to and fro, smugly swinging your man purse to jostle your latte.

Riding a motorcylce is inherently more dangerous than driving a car. Ironically this is precisely because of the morons that do drive cages will murder you without a second thought.

However, you can reduce your risk significantly by taking proper precautions. But not matter what you do, you wont reduce the risk totally. Trust me, when you do get a bike, there will be days when you will be almost scared into quitting riding. Utlimately, the decision is up to you - do you enjoy the activity enough to constantly manage the risk?
edit: statistically i can't read for crap.

check out these cool stats:

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Old July 24th, 2011, 05:41 PM   #8
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BTW there was another motorcycle accident yesterday too. Dude ran away from the cops, lost control and plowed into the back of a van doing 100mph.
We may be talking about ithe same article, unless there were two stories of people crashing into the back of cars.

And that's what I tell my parents. Me getting on a motorcycle is no different then me getting in a car. If its my time, it'll happen one way or another. People die in ar crashes all the time sadly.

The statistics idea is a good idea. Thanks. I remember hearing m13 talk about how america isn't the top dangerous place for motorcycles, which is a good thing lol.
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edit: statistically i can't read for crap.

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Actually, you didnt understand what I was saying.

A late teens/early 20s kid on a sportbike is more likely to get injured or killed than driving a car. For example, of 1,000 sportbike riders in that demographic X number will die or get injured. That 'X' will be higher than the X number of 1,000 drivers of the same demographic.
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Old July 24th, 2011, 05:47 PM   #10
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Actually, you didnt understand what I was saying.

A late teens/early 20s kid on a sportbike is more likely to get injured or killed than driving a car. For example, of 1,000 sportbike riders in that demographic X number will die or get injured. That 'X' will be higher than the X number of 1,000 drivers of the same demographic.
yeah thats why i said i can't read for crap xD realized what you were saying after i posted
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Old July 24th, 2011, 05:49 PM   #11
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I think he may of understood what you were saying but has a point himself. You're saying I'm young so more likely to be risky especially on a sports bike. But he is saying that is true, but people within the age range he posted are even at a higher risk.it was in proficient motorcycling (the book). Young ones are the 2nd worse. But I do agree. Most kids my age are pretty risky which makes sense why people are saying what they say.

Edit: nvm I lied. Lol. You guys are too quick for my litte 4g phone to reply lol
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You can explain that in multiple studies on the cause of motorcycle accidents, an overwhelming majority of accidents are caused by the error of the rider. While there are exceptions, you are largely in control of whether you are in an accident or not. For every 100 fatal motorcycle accidents, 82 involve clear rider error. Of the remaining 18 where the driver did something wrong, a careful rider STILL could have avoided the accident in about 2/3 of them. Leaving only 6 out of 100 that aren't preventable if you are smart.

There are three major studies I'm aware of: The Hurt Report, the MAIDS Study and an NHTSA study. I've summarized them in my blog. There are some easy conclusions to draw from the studies that can make you much, much safer. Once you review the studies and come up with ways you can ride safely, and talk about it with people who are warning you, I think your friends and family might see you are taking it seriously and understand that riding risks can be managed to a lower level. Here are some things you can do to SIGNIFICANTLY reduce your risk, as supported by scientific study of the cause of accidents:

*Take a course on motorcycle safety. (92% of those in accidents were self-taught or learned from friends.)
*Wear ATGATT. Strap your helmet.
*Don't drink and ride. (67% of fatal motorcycle accidents involved alcohol.)
*Wear bright clothing. (White helmets reduced accidents by 37% over dark ones.)
*Don't speed. (Speeding motorcycle 7x more likely to cause death than speeding car.)
*Don't ride like an idiot and learn from mistakes. (1/2 of those killed had prior incidents. Of all fatal accidents, 27 percent were the cyclist driving too fast for conditions, 15 percent failure to keep in proper lane or running off the road, and 5 percent operating in reckless manner.)
*Get a license and keep it up to date. (24% of motorcyclists killed didn't have licenses.)
*Slow down for intersections. Of the small percentage that were the driver's fault, 2/3 were failure to yield right of way in an intersection. Knowing this (and knowing that the ninjette can slow from 30mph to zero in the width of one intersection) you can avoid most of the "Sorry, I didn't see you" accidents. Be very careful in intersections, and don't go more than 30mph if there is a risk of someone pulling out.
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Old July 24th, 2011, 05:59 PM   #13
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Since I started riding I went to a funeral every year for six years . Last year was the first year no one I was close to died. Statistics are one thing .But when it is a close friend it just really sucks.
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Old July 24th, 2011, 06:10 PM   #14
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hmm... this is absolutely true. although i too have had too many motorcyclists i know die, i can say the same about cars. in fact many more people i know have been seriously injured or killed in cars than on bikes... 2 people in my family have been permanently impaired because of car accidents, only 1 has been impaired from motorbike accidents. lucky for me noone in my family has been killed by a vehicle so far.
actually now that i think about it most of the accidents i can think of were caused from alcohol either on the person crashing into them's fault or the driver's fault... hmm... don't drink and drive.
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Old July 24th, 2011, 06:14 PM   #15
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We may be talking about ithe same article, unless there were two stories of people crashing into the back of cars.

And that's what I tell my parents. Me getting on a motorcycle is no different then me getting in a car. If its my time, it'll happen one way or another. People die in ar crashes all the time sadly.

The statistics idea is a good idea. Thanks. I remember hearing m13 talk about how america isn't the top dangerous place for motorcycles, which is a good thing lol.
where in orlando do you live?
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Old July 24th, 2011, 06:16 PM   #16
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You can explain that in multiple studies on the cause of motorcycle accidents, an overwhelming majority of accidents are caused by the error of the rider. While there are exceptions, you are largely in control of whether you are in an accident or not. For every 100 fatal motorcycle accidents, 82 involve clear rider error. Of the remaining 18 where the driver did something wrong, a careful rider STILL could have avoided the accident in about 2/3 of them. Leaving only 6 out of 100 that aren't preventable if you are smart.

There are three major studies I'm aware of: The Hurt Report, the MAIDS Study and an NHTSA study. I've summarized them in my blog. There are some easy conclusions to draw from the studies that can make you much, much safer. Once you review the studies and come up with ways you can ride safely, and talk about it with people who are warning you, I think your friends and family might see you are taking it seriously and understand that riding risks can be managed to a lower level. Here are some things you can do to SIGNIFICANTLY reduce your risk, as supported by scientific study of the cause of accidents:

*Take a course on motorcycle safety. (92% of those in accidents were self-taught or learned from friends.)
*Wear ATGATT. Strap your helmet.
*Don't drink and ride. (67% of fatal motorcycle accidents involved alcohol.)
*Wear bright clothing. (White helmets reduced accidents by 37% over dark ones.)
*Don't speed. (Speeding motorcycle 7x more likely to cause death than speeding car.)
*Don't ride like an idiot and learn from mistakes. (1/2 of those killed had prior incidents. Of all fatal accidents, 27 percent were the cyclist driving too fast for conditions, 15 percent failure to keep in proper lane or running off the road, and 5 percent operating in reckless manner.)
*Get a license and keep it up to date. (24% of motorcyclists killed didn't have licenses.)
*Slow down for intersections. Of the small percentage that were the driver's fault, 2/3 were failure to yield right of way in an intersection. Knowing this (and knowing that the ninjette can slow from 30mph to zero in the width of one intersection) you can avoid most of the "Sorry, I didn't see you" accidents. Be very careful in intersections, and don't go more than 30mph if there is a risk of someone pulling out.
very good advice especially the last part as soon as I get to an intersection where I know a car will pull i'll either switch to the middle lane otherwise I'll just drive slow so what if people get mad and get in front of me
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Old July 24th, 2011, 06:41 PM   #17
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Old July 24th, 2011, 06:45 PM   #18
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where in orlando do you live?
Down on econ near valencia college east campus. Pretty close to the kawasaki dealership lol

And thanks for the advice floyd. I've got all of those down already so It will be a good come back to tell friends statistic wise.
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Motorycles ARE dangerous. It is a FACT. I have had dozens of "oh #@!!" moments. I have sold several bikes because of a bad scare. Somehow someway I am still here. After quitting for a year or so, I get the fever to get back on. I am a motocycle junkie. I will need my fix sooner or later. Be prepared to meet your maker cause it could very well happen. This is a dangerous hobby/ mode of transportation. Be as careful as you can, get all the experience training that you can, wear the right gear. Hope for the best plan for the worst.... then ride.
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Here in my little city of 1 million, the following have occurred in the past 2 summers:

- Husband and wife standing on a corner downtown waiting for a bus when a slightly retarded kid, driving his LEFT hand Skyline a little too fast takes the corner and mis-judges. Kills the couple.

- A group of pedal bikers are at a stop light and get plowed into by a driver not paying attention.

- Stupid cage driver is trying to make a left-hand turn. Rather than wait for the big 18 wheeler (who has the right of-way) to pass, she decides to go for it. Her mini-van (and child) and herself are creamed.

- If I go back to when I was living in Calgary, people were getting smucked all the time by the commuter train cause they were listening to their ipods and didn't hear the train as they were crossing the track.

- the kid who drowned in his parents pool.

I bring up all these examples and say "so what's your point?" Then I tell them about how I went sky diving this summer.
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ignore them. get license. ride a ton to get lots of experience. give them rides. make them realise holy S$&T this is so worth the risk! then you'll notice that they start buying bikes and asking you for help to get them. problem solved
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My mom hasn't spoken a word to me since I bought mine a little over a month and a half ago
So, if God forbid, something should happen to you, or worse, how will she feel then? I don't understand that.

I am a parent. I have a daddy's girl. It is her life and while I am obviously still giving her plenty of guidance and telling her what she can and can't do, being that she is still under legal age and in my care, one day she will grow up. She will make choices that do not please me, as I made choices that did not please my parents. That is life.

I hope your mom comes around, sooner than later. Life is too short. I had a falling out with my father for no good reason when I was much younger. Thankfully, it has been resolved. But I didn't speak to him for years. We lost a lot of time. I hope that does not happen to you.

Make sure you let your mom know you are wearing gear and riding carefully. Be sure to tell her you have (or will) take a safety course. Bring her information that shows how so many other things we do, and take for granted can be just as dangerous as riding. Good luck.
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Same here, the times we do talk its all about how the bike is so bad and is a big problem
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So, if God forbid, something should happen to you, or worse, how will she feel then? I don't understand that.

I am a parent. I have a daddy's girl. It is her life and while I am obviously still giving her plenty of guidance and telling her what she can and can't do, being that she is still under legal age and in my care, one day she will grow up. She will make choices that do not please me, as I made choices that did not please my parents. That is life.

I hope your mom comes around, sooner than later. Life is too short. I had a falling out with my father for no good reason when I was much younger. Thankfully, it has been resolved. But I didn't speak to him for years. We lost a lot of time. I hope that does not happen to you.

Make sure you let your mom know you are wearing gear and riding carefully. Be sure to tell her you have (or will) take a safety course. Bring her information that shows how so many other things we do, and take for granted can be just as dangerous as riding. Good luck.
I actually wanted to say this and be like, "If you're really so adamant about the fact that I'm going to die because I bought a motorcycle, is this really how you want to spend whatever time I have left?" I decided against it

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Many people I know aren't fit to ride, period. I would tell these people not to buy a bike.
In fact most people I know.
They'd be dead first ride, MSF or not.

I rode everything two wheels since I could walk. I just thought a motorcycle was only a matter of time..

If it kills me I died doing something I love and it was worth it.
Not everyone knows you have to learn to ride a motorcycle before you do. Not everyone has the chance to know MSF exists and it could have saved their life.

Somebody will buy their first bike used tomorrow with no clue and die on it.

Not saying I didn't know, but, you know.
Sh*t happens.

Very experienced riders die every day too.
Motorcycles are no joke and are not for the faint of heart.

Chances are (IMO) 100% that you will get knocked down if you have no prior experience with 2 wheels before you get on a street machine. MSF or not. The percentage that something can go wrong is still very high even if you have prior two wheel experience.

I always heard there is a 50% chance you don't make it home from each one of your rides.
I have no idea if it's true or not but sounds about right if you don't know how to ride.

I rode two wheel everything for years and years and still crashed on the street afterward.

I see why some people only want scooters legal. I disagree, but I see why.
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I always heard there is a 50% chance you don't make it home from each one of your rides. ...
I want you to think this one through. I'm 100% sure it's not true.

Statistically speaking, you wouldn't last a week at that rate.
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I want you to think this one through. I'm 100% sure it's not true.

Statistically speaking, you wouldn't last a week at that rate.
Technically, it is true. For any given ride there are only two outcomes:

1) You make it home.
2) You don't make it home.

You not making it home is 50% of the options available . Of course this applies to everything as soon as you leave your home of course.
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I don't have to think it through. The point is not weather it is true. I know all too well what it means.

The point is, think about it that way when you leave the garage on your bike.
These machines are to be respected and feared.
I believe only then can you get good at them!

They have the power to F* even the greatest of riders in an instant.
There is cause for alarm.
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Technically, it is true. For any given ride there are only two outcomes:

1) You make it home.
2) You don't make it home.

You not making it home is 50% of the options available . Of course this applies to everything as soon as you leave your home of course.
I suppose you're making a joke but the fact that there are only 2 options doesn't mean they're equally probable. The universe would be a lot stranger if that was the case. Tomorrow morning, you could either wake up at the same place you fell asleep or not. Does that mean 50% of the time you'll have teleported while asleep...?

So the statement was not true. Especially not technically speaking :P
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Old July 25th, 2011, 08:30 AM   #32
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So, how do you cope with these people? I understand they care, but after a while it is tireing.
Have you told them this yet? If they're friends then they'll know that it's time to STFU. If they don't, then they're not really your friends, they're a bunch of people who want to control your life. You have parents for that.
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These machines are to be respected and feared.
I believe only then can you get good at them!

They have the power to F* even the greatest of riders in an instant.
There is cause for alarm.
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Old July 25th, 2011, 10:20 AM   #34
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don't know about you guys, but on top of "your gonna die cause u ride a bike" i get a lot of "get a real bike, you know, a harley" i think that one pisses me off even more. i usually respond with something like oh yea, cause i want a bike that will break down every 3 years and overheat in traffic on a hot summer day...
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Old July 25th, 2011, 10:45 AM   #35
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I suppose you're making a joke but the fact that there are only 2 options doesn't mean they're equally probable. The universe would be a lot stranger if that was the case. Tomorrow morning, you could either wake up at the same place you fell asleep or not. Does that mean 50% of the time you'll have teleported while asleep...?
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But yes. Although there are two possible outcomes, that does not mean they are equal in the percentage they will happen. That's where statistics *shudders* come into play. Rolling a dice does not garuntee you a 1 in 6 chance of rolling a "3"
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Old July 25th, 2011, 10:46 AM   #36
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don't know about you guys, but on top of "your gonna die cause u ride a bike" i get a lot of "get a real bike, you know, a harley" i think that one pisses me off even more. i usually respond with something like oh yea, cause i want a bike that will break down every 3 years and overheat in traffic on a hot summer day...
That, and I'm pretty sure our bikes will out accelerate a Harley and turn tighter.
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That, and I'm pretty sure our bikes will out accelerate a Harley and turn tighter.
that's for damn sure. I was actually in PA with a few of my friends 2 months ago and we were riding a twisty road when this harley rider was going too fast for the turn and ended up in our lane and almost took myself and another friend out...i flipped him off mid turn of course lol
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Old July 25th, 2011, 11:14 AM   #38
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Rolling a dice does not garuntee you a 1 in 6 chance of rolling a "3"
? I was under the impression that this is exactly true.
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But yes. Although there are two possible outcomes, that does not mean they are equal in the percentage they will happen. That's where statistics *shudders* come into play. Rolling a dice does not garuntee you a 1 in 6 chance of rolling a "3"
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Same here, the times we do talk its all about how the bike is so bad and is a big problem
At least your mom knows you have a bike...

I had tattoo's for a few years that my mom didn't know about and then when she finally found out she just said she felt 'dissapointed' but after a few days and a lot of sweet talking she forgot all about them and went back to her old self...

I haven't told her about the bike yet because she's on vacation but I plan on telling her in person when I visit her again. If I can, I'd like to show up to her house on the bike and tell her that way

She'll be worried and concerned but I know how to talk to her and remind her that I am being very safe and responsible and I know she'll be okay with it after a few days.
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