250r with a ZX-10r wheels?

M-Oorb · April 7th, 2009, 02:25 PM

So a friend of mine is looking to buy a used 250r as his first bike. He found one that is selling for 3500 and has 1854 miles on it. The thing is the owner claims the bike has zx-10r wheels and a zx-10r rear seat cowl. He told me this and right away I told him not to even look at it because I beleive to fit a rim that is bigger than ours you would need to do some heavy customizing(some work to the swing arm as well as other things) and I couldn't even see how a 10r seat cowl would fit on our bikes...let alone see the purpose of this. He then said that the bike wasn't modified at all to fit these parts! What?! Now that doesn't make sense to me at all! The owner of this bike also has a airbaged 'busa so I feel like this guy cares more about customizing and showing bikes than actually riding them. So my question is...is it even possible to pur zx-10r wheels on our bike with no custimizing of any kind? I couldnt even see why someone would want to do this.

kkim · April 7th, 2009, 02:27 PM

M-Oorb · April 7th, 2009, 02:28 PM

Sorry no pics...I didnt go see the bike so therefore I dont have any...but strictly from a numbers stand point...can that rim even fit between our swingarm with any kind of modification?

sometimesido · April 7th, 2009, 02:30 PM

sometimesido · April 7th, 2009, 02:31 PM

just from tire size, no.

my 130/80's have millimeters.

i read it wrong.

extreme mods maybe.

We need pics!

kkim · April 7th, 2009, 02:34 PM

if a 150 tire has a hard time fitting w/o touching the swingarm, I doubt a massive tire would without a major reworking of the swingarm.

take something as simple as the axle... I'm sure the 10r axle is way to big to fit the stock 250 swing arm and I'm sure the stock 250 axle is too skinny to fit the 10r wheel.

pictures would prove how great a bike this is or how much of an abortion.

ask your friend to go get some pics.

Alex should be chiming in soon, as he owns a 10.

Alex · April 7th, 2009, 02:43 PM

I just measured my 10R rear wheel to confirm, and it has a 6" wide rim. I believe the ninjette has a 3.5" wide rear rim. In terms of fitting between the swingarm, it's not just the width of the rim itself; there's the sprocket assembly on the right side and the brake/caliper on the right side. The caliper mount is actually pretty wide on the ninjette, so with a custom caliper mount (or by ditching the rear brake), it may be possible to fit a significantly wider rim in there. Let's see some pics.

EDIT: I didn't check the front of the swiingarm to see whether a 190 would fit there without rubbing. With what Kelly's saying about a 150 rubbing the swingarm, seems to me a tire that's 40 mm even wider would have quite an issue.

kkim · April 7th, 2009, 02:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by M-Oorb

He then said that the bike wasn't modified at all to fit these parts!

Quote:

Originally Posted by Alex

I just measured my 10R rear wheel to confirm, and it has a 6" wide rim. I believe the ninjette has a 3.5" wide rear rim. In terms of fitting between the swingarm, it's not just the width of the rim itself; there's the sprocket assembly on the right side and the brake/caliper on the right side. The caliper mount is actually pretty wide on the ninjette, so with a custom caliper mount (or by ditching the rear brake), it may be possible to fit a significantly wider rim in there. Let's see some pics.

EDIT: I didn't check the front of the swiingarm to see whether a 190 would fit there without rubbing. With what Kelly's saying about a 150 rubbing the swingarm, seems to me a tire that's 40 mm even wider would have quite an issue.

so, you're saying the seller is full of crap?

let me amend my 150 statement to say a 150 will barely fit as is. I can't imagine anything wider being able to fit in the stock swingarm. I know Richard uses a 150 racing tire and it works for him.

Alex · April 7th, 2009, 02:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kkim

so, you're saying the seller is full of crap?

All bike sellers are full of crap; it's figuring out the level and quantity of the crap that's most important.

M-Oorb · April 7th, 2009, 02:49 PM

haha so basically you all just confirmed what I though...this guy was full of

( no smilie of poop so this is the best I could do). My friend should be coming into work soon(where I am now) so I'll talk to him so atleast we can see some pictures. Either the guys lying to my friend and its just a 250 rim or he's lying about the extreme crazy mods he did to make this happen(which I dunno why someone would go through all the trouble of doing them and then denying it) I'll find out soon

sometimesido · April 7th, 2009, 02:50 PM

oops, i forgot i'm in the 2008+ section.
150 as a limit it is.

disregard my brain fart, i was on my way to the men's room.

DirtyBoy · April 7th, 2009, 06:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kkim

so, you're saying the seller is full of crap?

let me amend my 150 statement to say a 150 will barely fit as is. I can't imagine anything wider being able to fit in the stock swingarm. I know Richard uses a 150 racing tire and it works for him.

Just measured mine. With a 150 there is still 1/2" on the right side and 3/4" on the left on the swingarm. So to answer the OP's question, at the very most a 170 tire itself could fit in the swingarm depending on the manufacturer and the aspect ratio of the tire. Unfortunately even that would require modifications because you would need a wider rim and everything else that comes along with it. So no, its not possible to fit a 190.

kkim · April 7th, 2009, 06:16 PM

... and I've read where people tried 160s and rubbed. I think tire brand and aspect ratio has a lot to do with how big of a tire will fit in our swingarms.

I agree a 190 will never fit. maybe the seller has 10r rims and smaller tires on them?

pictures!!! we need pictures of this bike for sale!

miks · April 7th, 2009, 06:17 PM

*HA-CHOOOO!*

Sorry, I'm allergic to bullsh!t.

Shift250R · April 7th, 2009, 10:35 PM

Here some pictures of a 250R with a 190 rear tire. I know the swing arm is modified but this is what it would look like. Just in case anyone hasnt seen this..http://ninja250r.wordpress.com/2009/...-modification/

Alex · April 7th, 2009, 10:49 PM

Right, but that swingarm wasn't modified so much as it was completely replaced with an R1 swingarm.

Mo1981 · April 8th, 2009, 10:21 AM

Jeez, the rear tire is almost as wide as the bike...
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Blue Ninja 250R · April 9th, 2009, 08:07 PM

There is a write-up by Eric (Thailand) from another forum you can refer to.

http://www.newninja.com/modification...ig-tirehow-to/

miks · April 9th, 2009, 08:13 PM

I thought you could already fit a 150 rear tyre without any modifications.

Blue Ninja 250R · April 9th, 2009, 08:31 PM

Yeap, you're right Mike, but according to the writer, "But just put a wider tire on the rear 3.5" mini rim is not a total solution.Accept for the balloon look we gain very little,if any,out of that big tire." Not sure how truth is it but just post them to share.

miks · April 9th, 2009, 09:19 PM

Oh, thanks for clearing that up.

08_250R · April 9th, 2009, 09:55 PM

Why not just get some IRC SP10 150/60R17. They are made for a 3.5" rim and wont ballon. Plus it is almost identical to facroty height. I just used Amazon and found some in a sec. http://www.amazon.com/TIRE-SP10-150-...9339055&sr=1-7

Ling

Purspeed · April 11th, 2009, 09:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Alex

All bike sellers are full of crap; it's figuring out the level and quantity of the crap that's most important.

Hahahaha....good one.

I almost bought a bike from a Nigerian prince. It was an amazing deal. But, the prince went broke because he tried to invest with Madoff and..uh...that didn't work out too well. The Nigerian prince then got a bit of fame on MSNBC's "To Catch A Predator."

Last I heard, the Nigerian prince secured at job at AIG.

kkim · April 11th, 2009, 09:13 PM

Hey, Matt!! Where's the pictures?

ajaygraci · April 14th, 2009, 02:58 PM

omg i want pics

paterick4o8 · April 14th, 2009, 03:37 PM

PICS! just go see the bike to take pics and bounce!

M-Oorb · April 14th, 2009, 05:24 PM

Haha srry to keep you guys waiting...been pretty busy with school and work. Contacted the guy yesterday about the bike...said I wanted to stop by to take a look at it and was pretty interested...said the 10r wheels were going to be a main selling point. Well somehow the phone convo got cut off. And it seems like hes been busy ever since and hasnt gotten a chance to return my calls

bikermunda · April 14th, 2009, 10:56 PM

so what is the final verdict will a 150 tire will be used on 250r. i am not too happy with the stock tires and does anyone knows about any threads where people have posted the pics of150 tires or pictures comparisions between the stock tire and 150 tires

kkim · April 14th, 2009, 11:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bikermunda

i am not too happy with the stock tires

why aren't you happy with the stock tires?

bikermunda · April 14th, 2009, 11:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kkim

why aren't you happy with the stock tires?

stock tires make give me the feel that the bike is unstable

so i thought it is not a bad idea to see if 150 will make me feel the bike is a little more stable

miks · April 14th, 2009, 11:06 PM

120/150 tire combo

Hope Alex doesn't chop my head off for linking to the other forum

miks · April 14th, 2009, 11:06 PM

But you do know that if you were to change the tire size, the bike's handling would be totally different, and as many people have said you would lose it's 'flickability'

Alex · April 14th, 2009, 11:12 PM

It's like this. If by stable, you mean less nimble, then sure. Go as wide as feasible, wider and flatter the better. At the extreme there are those who put car tires on the rear of their cruisers, which are so stable that the bike doesn't need a kickstand when you park it, just stop and get off.

Going wider will not make your bike handle better, it will handle worse. Going wider will not make it any more stable if by stable you mean better handling and feel when leaned over. Going wider will convince nobody at Starbucks that your bike is exactly as blingworthy as the chromed R1 parked next to it with the custom swingarm so it can fit a 240mm back tire. There isn't a single female (or male, for that matter) who will think more of you because you have a wider tire on the back of your 249cc motorcycle. And god forbid you actually find such a female (or male), they have immediately demonstrated to you that they are too dense to concern yourself with, even momentarily.

M-Oorb · April 15th, 2009, 07:35 AM

It's not the size of the boat, its the motion of the ocean. And with the stock size tire the motion is prettttttttty good

bikermunda · April 15th, 2009, 10:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Alex

It's like this. If by stable, you mean less nimble, then sure. Go as wide as feasible, wider and flatter the better. At the extreme there are those who put car tires on the rear of their cruisers, which are so stable that the bike doesn't need a kickstand when you park it, just stop and get off.

Going wider will not make your bike handle better, it will handle worse. Going wider will not make it any more stable if by stable you mean better handling and feel when leaned over. Going wider will convince nobody at Starbucks that your bike is exactly as blingworthy as the chromed R1 parked next to it with the custom swingarm so it can fit a 240mm back tire. There isn't a single female (or male, for that matter) who will think more of you because you have a wider tire on the back of your 249cc motorcycle. And god forbid you actually find such a female (or male), they have immediately demonstrated to you that they are too dense to concern yourself with, even momentarily.

Alex i agree with your view but at the same time i am not trying to have a bigger tire to prove someone anything, if i need to have big tires then i can just ride my CBR but it is just that i dont feel too comfortable with those tires that is all

sometimesido · April 16th, 2009, 09:36 PM

comfortable meaning? like cushy?

miks · April 16th, 2009, 10:16 PM

Many people believe/say that having a wider tire makes your more stable on the road? Any truth to that statement? I wouldn't have a clue

April 7th, 2009, 02:25 PM	#1
M-Oorb ninjette.org sage Name: Matt Location: South East Florida/Rutgers University Join Date: Dec 2008 Motorcycle(s): 2008 250r (Fastest Color) Posts: 914	250r with a ZX-10r wheels? So a friend of mine is looking to buy a used 250r as his first bike. He found one that is selling for 3500 and has 1854 miles on it. The thing is the owner claims the bike has zx-10r wheels and a zx-10r rear seat cowl. He told me this and right away I told him not to even look at it because I beleive to fit a rim that is bigger than ours you would need to do some heavy customizing(some work to the swing arm as well as other things) and I couldn't even see how a 10r seat cowl would fit on our bikes...let alone see the purpose of this. He then said that the bike wasn't modified at all to fit these parts! What?! Now that doesn't make sense to me at all! The owner of this bike also has a airbaged 'busa so I feel like this guy cares more about customizing and showing bikes than actually riding them. So my question is...is it even possible to pur zx-10r wheels on our bike with no custimizing of any kind? I couldnt even see why someone would want to do this.

April 7th, 2009, 02:30 PM	#4
sometimesido ninjette.org sage Name: Chris Location: Norcross, GA Join Date: Mar 2009 Motorcycle(s): 2006 250R Posts: 772 Blog Entries: 14	__________________________________________________ my flickr™

April 7th, 2009, 02:31 PM	#5
sometimesido ninjette.org sage Name: Chris Location: Norcross, GA Join Date: Mar 2009 Motorcycle(s): 2006 250R Posts: 772 Blog Entries: 14	just from tire size, no. my 130/80's have millimeters. i read it wrong. extreme mods maybe. We need pics! __________________________________________________ my flickr™

April 7th, 2009, 02:43 PM	#7
Alex ninjette.org dude Name: 1 guess :-) Location: SF Bay Area Join Date: Jun 2008 Motorcycle(s): '13 Ninja 300 (white, the fastest color!), '13 R1200RT, '14 CRF250L, '12 TT-R125LE Posts: Too much. Blog Entries: 7	I just measured my 10R rear wheel to confirm, and it has a 6" wide rim. I believe the ninjette has a 3.5" wide rear rim. In terms of fitting between the swingarm, it's not just the width of the rim itself; there's the sprocket assembly on the right side and the brake/caliper on the right side. The caliper mount is actually pretty wide on the ninjette, so with a custom caliper mount (or by ditching the rear brake), it may be possible to fit a significantly wider rim in there. Let's see some pics. EDIT: I didn't check the front of the swiingarm to see whether a 190 would fit there without rubbing. With what Kelly's saying about a 150 rubbing the swingarm, seems to me a tire that's 40 mm even wider would have quite an issue. __________________________________________________ Montgomery Street Motorcycle Club / cal24.com / crf250l.org / ninjette.org ninjette.org Terms of Service Shopping for motorcycle parts or equipment? Come here first. The friendliest Ninja 250R/300/400 forum on the internet! (especially Unregistered)

April 7th, 2009, 02:50 PM	#11
sometimesido ninjette.org sage Name: Chris Location: Norcross, GA Join Date: Mar 2009 Motorcycle(s): 2006 250R Posts: 772 Blog Entries: 14	oops, i forgot i'm in the 2008+ section. 150 as a limit it is. disregard my brain fart, i was on my way to the men's room. __________________________________________________ my flickr™

April 7th, 2009, 02:27 PM	#2
kkim Join Date: Nov 2008 Posts: Too much.

April 7th, 2009, 02:28 PM	#3
M-Oorb ninjette.org sage Name: Matt Location: South East Florida/Rutgers University Join Date: Dec 2008 Motorcycle(s): 2008 250r (Fastest Color) Posts: 914	Sorry no pics...I didnt go see the bike so therefore I dont have any...but strictly from a numbers stand point...can that rim even fit between our swingarm with any kind of modification?

April 7th, 2009, 02:34 PM	#6
kkim Join Date: Nov 2008 Posts: Too much.	if a 150 tire has a hard time fitting w/o touching the swingarm, I doubt a massive tire would without a major reworking of the swingarm. take something as simple as the axle... I'm sure the 10r axle is way to big to fit the stock 250 swing arm and I'm sure the stock 250 axle is too skinny to fit the 10r wheel. pictures would prove how great a bike this is or how much of an abortion. ask your friend to go get some pics. Alex should be chiming in soon, as he owns a 10.

April 7th, 2009, 02:49 PM	#10
M-Oorb ninjette.org sage Name: Matt Location: South East Florida/Rutgers University Join Date: Dec 2008 Motorcycle(s): 2008 250r (Fastest Color) Posts: 914	haha so basically you all just confirmed what I though...this guy was full of ( no smilie of poop so this is the best I could do). My friend should be coming into work soon(where I am now) so I'll talk to him so atleast we can see some pictures. Either the guys lying to my friend and its just a 250 rim or he's lying about the extreme crazy mods he did to make this happen(which I dunno why someone would go through all the trouble of doing them and then denying it) I'll find out soon

April 7th, 2009, 06:16 PM	#13
kkim Join Date: Nov 2008 Posts: Too much.	... and I've read where people tried 160s and rubbed. I think tire brand and aspect ratio has a lot to do with how big of a tire will fit in our swingarms. I agree a 190 will never fit. maybe the seller has 10r rims and smaller tires on them? pictures!!! we need pictures of this bike for sale!

April 7th, 2009, 06:17 PM	#14
miks I'm lovin' it. Name: Mike Location: Melb, Australia Join Date: Feb 2009 Motorcycle(s): '09 Black 250R Posts: A lot.	HA-CHOOOO! Sorry, I'm allergic to bullsh!t. __________________________________________________ Son: When I grow up I want to ride a motorbike. Father: You can't do both son.

April 7th, 2009, 10:35 PM	#15
Shift250R ninjette.org member Name: Michael Location: Texas Join Date: Feb 2009 Motorcycle(s): 08 Ninja 250R Posts: 112	Here some pictures of a 250R with a 190 rear tire. I know the swing arm is modified but this is what it would look like. Just in case anyone hasnt seen this..http://ninja250r.wordpress.com/2009/...-modification/

April 7th, 2009, 10:49 PM	#16
Alex ninjette.org dude Name: 1 guess :-) Location: SF Bay Area Join Date: Jun 2008 Motorcycle(s): '13 Ninja 300 (white, the fastest color!), '13 R1200RT, '14 CRF250L, '12 TT-R125LE Posts: Too much. Blog Entries: 7	Right, but that swingarm wasn't modified so much as it was completely replaced with an R1 swingarm. __________________________________________________ Montgomery Street Motorcycle Club / cal24.com / crf250l.org / ninjette.org ninjette.org Terms of Service Shopping for motorcycle parts or equipment? Come here first. The friendliest Ninja 250R/300/400 forum on the internet! (especially Unregistered)

April 8th, 2009, 10:21 AM	#17
Mo1981 ninjette.org member Name: Matt Location: Keller, TX Join Date: Dec 2008 Motorcycle(s): 2008 Ebony Ninja 250R Posts: 137	Jeez, the rear tire is almost as wide as the bike... Posted via Mobile Device

April 9th, 2009, 08:07 PM	#18
Blue Ninja 250R ninjette.org member Name: Stanley Location: Kedah, Malaysia Join Date: Feb 2009 Motorcycle(s): Kawasaki Ninja 250R 2008 Posts: 80	There is a write-up by Eric (Thailand) from another forum you can refer to. http://www.newninja.com/modification...ig-tirehow-to/

April 9th, 2009, 08:13 PM	#19
miks I'm lovin' it. Name: Mike Location: Melb, Australia Join Date: Feb 2009 Motorcycle(s): '09 Black 250R Posts: A lot.	I thought you could already fit a 150 rear tyre without any modifications. __________________________________________________ Son: When I grow up I want to ride a motorbike. Father: You can't do both son.

April 9th, 2009, 08:31 PM	#20
Blue Ninja 250R ninjette.org member Name: Stanley Location: Kedah, Malaysia Join Date: Feb 2009 Motorcycle(s): Kawasaki Ninja 250R 2008 Posts: 80	Yeap, you're right Mike, but according to the writer, "But just put a wider tire on the rear 3.5" mini rim is not a total solution.Accept for the balloon look we gain very little,if any,out of that big tire." Not sure how truth is it but just post them to share.

April 9th, 2009, 09:19 PM	#21
miks I'm lovin' it. Name: Mike Location: Melb, Australia Join Date: Feb 2009 Motorcycle(s): '09 Black 250R Posts: A lot.	Oh, thanks for clearing that up. __________________________________________________ Son: When I grow up I want to ride a motorbike. Father: You can't do both son.

April 9th, 2009, 09:55 PM	#22
08_250R ninjette.org member Name: Adam Location: Chippewa Falls Join Date: Mar 2009 Motorcycle(s): 08 Green 250R Posts: 29	Why not just get some IRC SP10 150/60R17. They are made for a 3.5" rim and wont ballon. Plus it is almost identical to facroty height. I just used Amazon and found some in a sec. http://www.amazon.com/TIRE-SP10-150-...9339055&sr=1-7 Ling

April 11th, 2009, 09:13 PM	#24
kkim Join Date: Nov 2008 Posts: Too much.	Hey, Matt!! Where's the pictures?

April 14th, 2009, 02:58 PM	#25
ajaygraci ninjette.org member Name: Angelo Location: North New Jersey Join Date: Mar 2009 Motorcycle(s): 2009 ninja 250r, black, carbon fiber full exhaust...2000 toyota 4runner Posts: 136	omg i want pics

April 14th, 2009, 03:37 PM	#26
paterick4o8 ninjette.org sage Name: patricK Location: San Jose, CA--BAY AREA! Join Date: Mar 2009 Motorcycle(s): '08 blue 250R [sold]. '09 lime ZX-6R [stolen :( ]. '06 blue 636. Posts: 918	PICS! just go see the bike to take pics and bounce!

April 14th, 2009, 05:24 PM	#27
M-Oorb ninjette.org sage Name: Matt Location: South East Florida/Rutgers University Join Date: Dec 2008 Motorcycle(s): 2008 250r (Fastest Color) Posts: 914	Haha srry to keep you guys waiting...been pretty busy with school and work. Contacted the guy yesterday about the bike...said I wanted to stop by to take a look at it and was pretty interested...said the 10r wheels were going to be a main selling point. Well somehow the phone convo got cut off. And it seems like hes been busy ever since and hasnt gotten a chance to return my calls

April 14th, 2009, 10:56 PM	#28
bikermunda Ninja World YAY Name: Vik Location: Bay Area Join Date: Feb 2009 Motorcycle(s): Ninja 250 Posts: 102	so what is the final verdict will a 150 tire will be used on 250r. i am not too happy with the stock tires and does anyone knows about any threads where people have posted the pics of150 tires or pictures comparisions between the stock tire and 150 tires

April 14th, 2009, 11:06 PM	#31
miks I'm lovin' it. Name: Mike Location: Melb, Australia Join Date: Feb 2009 Motorcycle(s): '09 Black 250R Posts: A lot.	120/150 tire combo Hope Alex doesn't chop my head off for linking to the other forum __________________________________________________ Son: When I grow up I want to ride a motorbike. Father: You can't do both son.

April 14th, 2009, 11:12 PM	#33
Alex ninjette.org dude Name: 1 guess :-) Location: SF Bay Area Join Date: Jun 2008 Motorcycle(s): '13 Ninja 300 (white, the fastest color!), '13 R1200RT, '14 CRF250L, '12 TT-R125LE Posts: Too much. Blog Entries: 7	It's like this. If by stable, you mean less nimble, then sure. Go as wide as feasible, wider and flatter the better. At the extreme there are those who put car tires on the rear of their cruisers, which are so stable that the bike doesn't need a kickstand when you park it, just stop and get off. Going wider will not make your bike handle better, it will handle worse. Going wider will not make it any more stable if by stable you mean better handling and feel when leaned over. Going wider will convince nobody at Starbucks that your bike is exactly as blingworthy as the chromed R1 parked next to it with the custom swingarm so it can fit a 240mm back tire. There isn't a single female (or male, for that matter) who will think more of you because you have a wider tire on the back of your 249cc motorcycle. And god forbid you actually find such a female (or male), they have immediately demonstrated to you that they are too dense to concern yourself with, even momentarily. __________________________________________________ Montgomery Street Motorcycle Club / cal24.com / crf250l.org / ninjette.org ninjette.org Terms of Service Shopping for motorcycle parts or equipment? Come here first. The friendliest Ninja 250R/300/400 forum on the internet! (especially Unregistered)

April 15th, 2009, 07:35 AM	#34
M-Oorb ninjette.org sage Name: Matt Location: South East Florida/Rutgers University Join Date: Dec 2008 Motorcycle(s): 2008 250r (Fastest Color) Posts: 914	It's not the size of the boat, its the motion of the ocean. And with the stock size tire the motion is prettttttttty good

April 16th, 2009, 09:36 PM	#36
sometimesido ninjette.org sage Name: Chris Location: Norcross, GA Join Date: Mar 2009 Motorcycle(s): 2006 250R Posts: 772 Blog Entries: 14	comfortable meaning? like cushy? __________________________________________________ my flickr™

April 16th, 2009, 10:16 PM	#37
miks I'm lovin' it. Name: Mike Location: Melb, Australia Join Date: Feb 2009 Motorcycle(s): '09 Black 250R Posts: A lot.	Many people believe/say that having a wider tire makes your more stable on the road? Any truth to that statement? I wouldn't have a clue __________________________________________________ Son: When I grow up I want to ride a motorbike. Father: You can't do both son.

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