Engine oil from walmart?

Omarel · May 4th, 2016, 12:28 PM

The manual says: SAE 10W-40.

I got this from Walmart:
http://www.walmart.com/ip/Valvoline-...1-Qt./15125760

The oil says it's for high mileage. Just noticed. My bike is only 7500 miles.

Does that make a difference?

And what is SAE about?

RacinNinja · May 4th, 2016, 12:51 PM

That oil is not JASO-MA rated. You shouldn't use it in a motorcycle. It could potentially cause your clutch to slip.

If you want good oil, get the Rotella T6 5w-40. I know it says diesel oil on it but it carries the important JASO-MA rating for your wet clutch.

allanoue · May 4th, 2016, 12:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RacinNinja

That oil is not JASO-MA rated. You shouldn't use it in a motorcycle. It could potentially cause your clutch to slip.

If you want good oil, get the Rotella T6 5w-40. I know it says diesel oil on it but it carries the important JASO-MA rating for your wet clutch.

Walmart has it also

RacinNinja · May 4th, 2016, 01:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by allanoue

Walmart has it also

Omarel · May 4th, 2016, 01:05 PM

Thanks for that. For me the manual says 10W-40, but I'll also find one with the JASO approval.

Fyi, here's a screenshot from the manual for anyone. The way it's lined up is confusing though.

also, I'm missing it, where's the JASO-MA rating in the Rotella photo in the previous post?

RacinNinja · May 4th, 2016, 01:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Omarel

Thanks for that. For me the manual says 10W-40, but I'll also find one with the JASO approval.

Fyi, here's a screenshot from the manual for anyone. The way it's lined up is confusing though.

Trust us, you can run the 5w-40 in it without harm.

I've been running it for years in all my motorcycles, race and street.

If you want 10w-40 with JASO-MA, you'll most likely have to go to a motorcycle specific store like Cycle Gear or a dealership. To my knowledge, WalMart doesn't carry any other than the Rotella.

VaFish · May 4th, 2016, 01:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RacinNinja

That oil is not JASO-MA rated. You shouldn't use it in a motorcycle. It could potentially cause your clutch to slip.

If you want good oil, get the Rotella T6 5w-40. I know it says diesel oil on it but it carries the important JASO-MA rating for your wet clutch.

And it's the same oil I run in my diesel truck so I always have some around.

BDfromBC · May 4th, 2016, 01:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Omarel

Thanks for that. For me the manual says 10W-40, but I'll also find one with the JASO approval.

Fyi, here's a screenshot from the manual for anyone. The way it's lined up is confusing though.

also, I'm missing it, where's the JASO-MA rating in the Rotella photo in the previous post?

Yeah, use the rotella. The only place you'll get JASO-MA AND 10w40 is motorcycle specific, and will be FAR more expensive!

cadd · May 4th, 2016, 01:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RacinNinja

That oil is not JASO-MA rated. You shouldn't use it in a motorcycle. It could potentially cause your clutch to slip.

If you want good oil, get the Rotella T6 5w-40. I know it says diesel oil on it but it carries the important JASO-MA rating for your wet clutch.

+1. I've been running T6 for all my bikes.

Quote:

Originally Posted by RacinNinja

If you want 10w-40 with JASO-MA, you'll most likely have to go to a motorcycle specific store like Cycle Gear or a dealership. To my knowledge, WalMart doesn't carry any other than the Rotella.

Some Walmarts do carry motorcycle specific oil. Mine does. If you're lucky, there's a tiny section in the automotive department specifically for motorcycles where they put the helmets. That's where you can find motorcycle oil, chain lube, bar end mirrors, etc.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Omarel

also, I'm missing it, where's the JASO-MA rating in the Rotella photo in the previous post?

The JASO rating is in the back of the T6 container. If you look at the back, you'll see it.

Trust us, T6 will work for the Ninja 250 and 300. Heck, I ran T6 in all the previous bikes I've owned. I currently have 15,000 miles on the Ninja 300. All oil changes have been with the T6 oil.

cadd · May 4th, 2016, 01:48 PM

RacinNinja · May 4th, 2016, 01:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Omarel

Thanks for that. For me the manual says 10W-40, but I'll also find one with the JASO approval.

Fyi, here's a screenshot from the manual for anyone. The way it's lined up is confusing though.

also, I'm missing it, where's the JASO-MA rating in the Rotella photo in the previous post?

It's not in the pic, it's on the back. I posted that pic so you'd know what to look for at WalMart since Rotella also comes in a white jug that is NOT properly rated. Get the blue jug!

However, here's a pic of the back of the jug, JASO-MA is listed towards the end.

InvisiBill · May 4th, 2016, 03:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Omarel

Thanks for that. For me the manual says 10W-40, but I'll also find one with the JASO approval.

Fyi, here's a screenshot from the manual for anyone. The way it's lined up is confusing though.

also, I'm missing it, where's the JASO-MA rating in the Rotella photo in the previous post?

Just to clarify this, you need API SE/SF/SG, or SH/SJ/SL plus JASO MA. The newer API standards added energy-conserving stuff that could affect a bike's wet clutch (the transmission shares oil with the engine). JASO MA is the 4-stroke, wet-clutch specification that ensures you're using oil designed for your bike's engine/trans. This means it's "motorcycle oil", regardless of whether there's a picture of a car or a bike on the bottle.

As RacinNinja's pic shows, the T6 is API SM (the updated 2004 version of SL) and JASO MA rated. http://www.calsci.com/motorcycleinfo/Oils1.html has details on "diesel" oils toward the bottom, and explains how their characteristics match up quite well with our bikes' needs. The fact that it's quite cheap means I also don't feel bad about changing it frequently (to avoid excessive loss of viscosity from the trans). Plus they tend to have rebates a couple times a year, if you don't mind taking a few minutes to submit your info. The current rebate is $5 off per gallon, limit of 4, valid through 12/31. That makes it <$15/gal from Walmart.

Brother Michigan · May 4th, 2016, 07:05 PM

It's not really important since the oil you bought isn't going in the motorcycle, but it isn't important if it's "high mileage" oil or not. HM oils tend to be on the thick side of their stated viscosity and typically have stronger additive packages, but that's about it. The oil you picked up is a nice, stout car oil regardless of the mileage.

verboten1 · May 4th, 2016, 09:30 PM

Every time I see this for less than $30 I buy a couple of cases.
I have about 20 quarts left at the moment.

http://www.walmart.com/ip/19514358

toEleven · May 5th, 2016, 10:14 AM

+1 on the Rotella oil recommendation.

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Originally Posted by cadd

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They let dogs into Wal-mart? That's news to me.

RacinNinja · May 5th, 2016, 10:27 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by verboten1

Every time I see this for less than $30 I buy a couple of cases.
I have about 20 quarts left at the moment.

http://www.walmart.com/ip/19514358

I've never seen that at a WalMart around here but I'll be looking harder now, thanks!

allanoue · May 5th, 2016, 10:45 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RacinNinja

I've never seen that at a WalMart around here but I'll be looking harder now, thanks!

If they do not, order it site to store free pick-up. After a couple of times of doing that, the store by me started caring the big jug and not just the liter jug.

RacinNinja · May 5th, 2016, 10:51 AM

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Originally Posted by allanoue

If they do not, order it site to store free pick-up. After a couple of times of doing that, the store by me started caring the big jug and not just the liter jug.

Never even crossed my mind....

Ghostt · May 5th, 2016, 11:01 AM

Shell Rotella *T6 synthetic is the go to favorite, it's inexpensive and works extremely well for wet clutches. I use it both my EX500, and Ninjette. And for the money you get enough for 2 oil changes.

Recently I've switched to Mobile 1 15-50w in the Ninjette, so far so good after 2k miles. It's also available at select Wal-Marts, and it 5 qt instead of 4 qt

Brother Michigan · May 5th, 2016, 11:12 AM

The only problem I have with T6 is that it's not particularly shear stable, so I don't like leaving it in the bike too long (i.e. no more than ~3000 miles or so for me).

Ghostt · May 5th, 2016, 11:24 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Brother Michigan

The only problem I have with T6 is that it's not particularly shear stable, so I don't like leaving it in the bike too long (i.e. no more than ~3000 miles or so for me).

I'm sorry but I'm gonna have to respectfully disagree with you, Shell Rotella synthetic T6 is made for big rig diesel engines.

Where sheer protection is very important.

http://rotella.shell.com/products/t6.html

Link to original page on YouTube.

verboten1 · May 5th, 2016, 11:54 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RacinNinja

I've never seen that at a WalMart around here but I'll be looking harder now, thanks!

I order enough and have it shipped to my house. usually order 12 quarts at a time. with 2 main bikes, and 1 high milage rider (me) oil changes happen at least every 3 weeks.

Brother Michigan · May 5th, 2016, 12:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ghostt

I'm sorry but I'm gonna have to respectfully disagree with you, Shell Rotella synthetic T6 is made for big rig diesel engines.

Where sheer protection is very important.

http://rotella.shell.com/products/t6.html

Link to original page on YouTube.

Shear stability in a big diesel (even with the turbos) and shear stability in a motorcycle are very different things! It's got a reputation amongst those that pay much more attention to their oil than I do for shearing down relatively quickly despite what the marketing says. Again, no knock against the oil (I used it for a while myself), but it's just something to look out for. Maybe I'll have to do another OCI with it and have it analyzed just to see how well it holds up in our bikes in particular.

backinthesaddleagain · May 5th, 2016, 01:08 PM

Its not the seller, Walmart, that's the problem, its the oil itself. A local lumber yard here sells Amsoil (of course that's because they race stock carss), but again its more the product than the seller.

jkv45 · May 5th, 2016, 01:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Brother Michigan

Shear stability in a big diesel (even with the turbos) and shear stability in a motorcycle are very different things! It's got a reputation amongst those that pay much more attention to their oil than I do for shearing down relatively quickly despite what the marketing says. Again, no knock against the oil (I used it for a while myself), but it's just something to look out for. Maybe I'll have to do another OCI with it and have it analyzed just to see how well it holds up in our bikes in particular.

^This

RacinNinja · May 5th, 2016, 01:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Brother Michigan

Shear stability in a big diesel (even with the turbos) and shear stability in a motorcycle are very different things! It's got a reputation amongst those that pay much more attention to their oil than I do for shearing down relatively quickly despite what the marketing says. Again, no knock against the oil (I used it for a while myself), but it's just something to look out for. Maybe I'll have to do another OCI with it and have it analyzed just to see how well it holds up in our bikes in particular.

If you do a search for "Rotella T6 Blackstone" and look at motorcycle forums you can find reports for various bikes.

That being said, I look forward to a report if you get one.

Brother Michigan · May 5th, 2016, 01:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RacinNinja

If you do a search for "Rotella T6 Blackstone" and look at motorcycle forums you can find reports for various bikes.

That being said, I look forward to a report if you get one.

Just look at all that shear! Down to a mid-low 30 weight!

That's actually what I look for (mostly on bobistheoilguy). I'm very meticulous about my engines (heck, I use OEM oil filters because I don't like the different bypass pressures of third party filters), so that's just a bit too thin for my taste. Actually, I wonder how much the fuel dilution contributes to that number? Also, T6 15W40? Is it T6 and 5W40 or T and 15W40? T6 is supposed to be more shear stable than T, so that could make a difference, too.

RacinNinja · May 5th, 2016, 02:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Brother Michigan

Just look at all that shear! Down to a mid-low 30 weight!

That's actually what I look for (mostly on bobistheoilguy). I'm very meticulous about my engines (heck, I use OEM oil filters because I don't like the different bypass pressures of third party filters), so that's just a bit too thin for my taste. Actually, I wonder how much the fuel dilution contributes to that number? Also, T6 15W40? Is it T6 and 5W40 or T and 15W40? T6 is supposed to be more shear stable than T, so that could make a difference, too.

I think you'll be surprised to see that the oil you use will shear down that much by the time you change it too.

Looking at other Blackstone reports on this forum for various oils shows very similar characteristics when it's tested.

splitfire · May 5th, 2016, 04:18 PM

Did anyone tried Lucas Atv oil semi syn. Theyre like $8 per quart. And $11for full syn. Any good? How much per quart of rotella t6 or how much a gallon?

RacinNinja · May 5th, 2016, 04:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by splitfire

Did anyone tried Lucas Atv oil semi syn. Theyre like $8 per quart. And $11for full syn. Any good? How much per quart of rotella t6 or how much a gallon?

T6 synth is $20 a gallon. Can't beat it.

No comment on the Lucas products. Haven't used them.

splitfire · May 5th, 2016, 04:27 PM

Theyre cheap 8buks per quart

splitfire · May 5th, 2016, 04:30 PM

Oh thats cheaper. Cool ill go get a gallon of t6 then. Thanks

RacinNinja · May 5th, 2016, 04:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by splitfire

Oh thats cheaper. Cool ill go get a gallon of t6 then. Thanks

Keep in mind that's 20 US dollars. In Canada it's probably a bit more, if your location is accurate.

BDfromBC · May 5th, 2016, 04:58 PM

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Originally Posted by RacinNinja

Keep in mind that's 20 US dollars. In Canada it's probably a bit more, if your location is accurate.

More like 40$ Canadian!it DEFINATELY doesnt go according to exchange rate guys/gals! Us Canadians pay more for everything then you guys haha

RacinNinja · May 5th, 2016, 06:01 PM

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Originally Posted by BDfromBC

More like 40$ Canadian!it DEFINATELY doesnt go according to exchange rate guys/gals! Us Canadians pay more for everything then you guys haha

Right?? I have customers in Canada so I go to Ottawa every couple of months.

splitfire · May 5th, 2016, 06:07 PM

Is it fine to use sea foam before every oil change. Run it for 10kms with sea foam and drain it. Just to make sure that theres no gunk or sludge before putting in new oil?

BDfromBC · May 5th, 2016, 06:13 PM

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Originally Posted by splitfire

Is it fine to use sea foam before every oil change. Run it for 10kms with sea foam and drain it. Just to make sure that theres no gunk or sludge before putting in new oil?

I wouldn't reccomend that, run your seafoam through the gas tank, pour 3/4 of bottle and fill it up, run half the tank and fill it again (not the recommended use, but that's how I do it 💪💪

Your bike won't like the seafoam in the oil very much, I'd be more worried about it loosening **** INSIDE the oil pump from getting pushed through, and causing more problems then it could solve...

Why take the chance!?!

HoneyBadgerRy · May 5th, 2016, 07:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BDfromBC

I wouldn't reccomend that, run your seafoam through the gas tank, pour 3/4 of bottle and fill it up, run half the tank and fill it again (not the recommended use, but that's how I do it 💪💪

Your bike won't like the seafoam in the oil very much, I'd be more worried about it loosening **** INSIDE the oil pump from getting pushed through, and causing more problems then it could solve...

Why take the chance!?!

Your bike has an oil pump filter for a reason. I saw if you feel like wasting the money run it. If not, save your money. I have ran some marvel mystery oil before, but its most likely a waste of money.

Ghostt · May 5th, 2016, 07:15 PM

I'm glad the OP asked such a simple question LOL

InvisiBill · May 5th, 2016, 07:34 PM

Yes, the T6 does shear down relatively quickly, but it also starts with a higher VI than most other oils too, so that helps a bit.

http://www.ducatimeccanica.com/oil.html is an old test of "motorcycle" oils vs. car oils.

Quote:

The automotive oils were Castrol GTX 10W40 (petroleum based, $1.24/qt.), Castrol Syntec 10W40 (synthetic, $3.99/qt.) and Mobil 1 15W50 (synthetic, $3.48/qt.). The motorcycle oils were Spectro 4 10W40 (petroleum based, $4.99/qt.) and Honda HP4 10W40 (petroleum/synthetic blend, $5.99/qt.).

Code:

		0 miles		800mi		1500mi
Mobil 1       	100.00%		86.60%		83.00%
Castrol Syntec	100.00%		78.10%		74.50%
Castrol GTX   	100.00%		72.20%		68.00%
Honda HP4     	100.00%		69.20%		65.60%
Spectro 4     	100.00%		68.00%		63.90%

Even the Mobil 1 15W-50 sheared down to ~43 after only 800 miles. Shared-sump transmissions are simply hard on any oil. For comparison, after 3600 miles in an Accord's engine, the GTX was only down to 91.8%. That's nearly 3x the breakdown in the bike in less than 1/4 of the time.

Since the T6 is so cheap, I start to think about changing it around 2000mi (so that I actually get around to it by 2500mi). An oil change is usually under $20 with the Rotella rebates and sales/coupons for the Purolator filters I use, so even with spending extra to do more frequent changes, it's still a drop in the bucket of overall motorcycle ownership costs.

May 4th, 2016, 12:28 PM	#1
Omarel ninjette.org member Name: O Location: New Jersey Join Date: Jan 2016 Motorcycle(s): 2007 Ninja 250 Posts: 96	Engine oil from walmart? The manual says: SAE 10W-40. I got this from Walmart: http://www.walmart.com/ip/Valvoline-...1-Qt./15125760 The oil says it's for high mileage. Just noticed. My bike is only 7500 miles. Does that make a difference? And what is SAE about?

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RacinNinja Vintage Screwball Name: B Location: Washington Join Date: Feb 2016 Motorcycle(s): 2011 Ninja 250, 2008 Ninja 250, 2019 KTM 1290SDR, 2017 FZ10 Posts: A lot. MOTM - Mar '16	That oil is not JASO-MA rated. You shouldn't use it in a motorcycle. It could potentially cause your clutch to slip. If you want good oil, get the Rotella T6 5w-40. I know it says diesel oil on it but it carries the important JASO-MA rating for your wet clutch. __________________________________________________ Goin' fast on slow bikes!
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May 4th, 2016, 07:05 PM	#13
Brother Michigan ninjette.org sage Name: Aaron Location: Winder, GA Join Date: Jun 2012 Motorcycle(s): 2013 Ninja 300 Posts: 718	It's not really important since the oil you bought isn't going in the motorcycle, but it isn't important if it's "high mileage" oil or not. HM oils tend to be on the thick side of their stated viscosity and typically have stronger additive packages, but that's about it. The oil you picked up is a nice, stout car oil regardless of the mileage. __________________________________________________ DISCLAIMER: I generally have no idea what I'm talking about.

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May 4th, 2016, 01:05 PM	#5
Omarel ninjette.org member Name: O Location: New Jersey Join Date: Jan 2016 Motorcycle(s): 2007 Ninja 250 Posts: 96	Thanks for that. For me the manual says 10W-40, but I'll also find one with the JASO approval. Fyi, here's a screenshot from the manual for anyone. The way it's lined up is confusing though. also, I'm missing it, where's the JASO-MA rating in the Rotella photo in the previous post?

May 5th, 2016, 11:01 AM	#19
Ghostt in your machine Name: Scott Location: Summer Shade, Ky. Join Date: Oct 2014 Motorcycle(s): 98 Ninja 250/F12 aka ZX-2R "SERENITY", 91 Ninja 500/A5 aka ZX-5R "Phoenix", 84 Honda GL1200A "SIREN" Posts: A lot. Blog Entries: 25 MOTM - Jun '17, May '16, Mar '15	Shell Rotella T6 synthetic is the go to favorite, it's inexpensive and works extremely well for wet clutches. I use it both my EX500, and Ninjette. And for the money you get enough for 2 oil changes. Recently I've switched to Mobile 1 15-50w in the Ninjette, so far so good after 2k miles. It's also available at select Wal-Marts, and it 5 qt instead of 4 qt __________________________________________________ violente et ignorantia* ZX-2R BLOG *Twitter and Instagram = Ghostt_Scott* *I'm not here to change your mind, just to inform.*

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Brother Michigan ninjette.org sage Name: Aaron Location: Winder, GA Join Date: Jun 2012 Motorcycle(s): 2013 Ninja 300 Posts: 718	The only problem I have with T6 is that it's not particularly shear stable, so I don't like leaving it in the bike too long (i.e. no more than ~3000 miles or so for me). __________________________________________________ DISCLAIMER: I generally have no idea what I'm talking about.

May 5th, 2016, 01:08 PM	#24
backinthesaddleagain ninjette.org certified postwhore Name: Greg Location: Rhode Island Join Date: Apr 2009 Motorcycle(s): 2013 ZX6R 636 Posts: A lot.	Its not the seller, Walmart, that's the problem, its the oil itself. A local lumber yard here sells Amsoil (of course that's because they race stock carss), but again its more the product than the seller.

May 5th, 2016, 04:18 PM	#29
splitfire ninjette.org member Name: rodney Location: british columbia Join Date: Apr 2016 Motorcycle(s): ninja 2011 250r Posts: 24	Did anyone tried Lucas Atv oil semi syn. Theyre like $8 per quart. And $11for full syn. Any good? How much per quart of rotella t6 or how much a gallon?

May 5th, 2016, 04:30 PM	#32
splitfire ninjette.org member Name: rodney Location: british columbia Join Date: Apr 2016 Motorcycle(s): ninja 2011 250r Posts: 24	Oh thats cheaper. Cool ill go get a gallon of t6 then. Thanks

May 5th, 2016, 06:07 PM	#36
splitfire ninjette.org member Name: rodney Location: british columbia Join Date: Apr 2016 Motorcycle(s): ninja 2011 250r Posts: 24	Is it fine to use sea foam before every oil change. Run it for 10kms with sea foam and drain it. Just to make sure that theres no gunk or sludge before putting in new oil?

May 5th, 2016, 07:15 PM	#39
Ghostt in your machine Name: Scott Location: Summer Shade, Ky. Join Date: Oct 2014 Motorcycle(s): 98 Ninja 250/F12 aka ZX-2R "SERENITY", 91 Ninja 500/A5 aka ZX-5R "Phoenix", 84 Honda GL1200A "SIREN" Posts: A lot. Blog Entries: 25 MOTM - Jun '17, May '16, Mar '15	I'm glad the OP asked such a simple question LOL __________________________________________________ *violente et ignorantia* ZX-2R BLOG *Twitter and Instagram = Ghostt_Scott* *I'm not here to change your mind, just to inform.*

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