Do you pack heat on your 250 beast?

[ride2rideagain]

Originally Posted by Jiggles

That was me!

I wonder how those hockey riots would have turned out if people had to think twice before destroying property....

LOL....unrelated...but imagine how much worse they would've been had people been carrying concealed guns. Thank god for gun laws.

All you riders/drivers that are packing heat, along with your helmets and seatbelts, for safety...think Plaxico Burress, be careful.

[Nemesis]

Yup...it's called my exhaust.

[avneet]

Out here in the Bay Area it is pretty much impossible to get the license to carry unless you are a politician or celebrity. Calguns is slowly trying to fix that so I shall continue waiting

[Jiggles]

Originally Posted by ride2rideagain

LOL....unrelated...but imagine how much worse they would've been had people been carrying concealed guns. Thank god for gun laws.

All you riders/drivers that are packing heat, along with your helmets and seatbelts, for safety...think Plaxico Burress, be careful.

You misspelled the word 'better'. It's ok though, happens to the best of us.

[Jiggles]

Originally Posted by avneet

Out here in the Bay Area it is pretty much impossible to get the license to carry unless you are a politician or celebrity. Calguns is slowly trying to fix that so I shall continue waiting

That's exactly why the crime rates in cities like Oakland and San Francisco are so low!

[GreenNinja]

Of course I pack heat. This is my newly modded bike
http://www.gizmag.com/batpod-ps-pod-...orcycle/15875/

[avneet]

Originally Posted by Jiggles

That's exactly why the crime rates in cities like Oakland and San Francisco are so low!

I'm assuming you are being sarcastic. Just pointing that out so anyone else who reads your post doesn't get tricked into believing that

[Bill N]

Originally Posted by n4mwd

Bill if you don't like guns, then don't buy one. I'm not forcing you to do anything. And no, I'm not pulling anyone's leg and this thread doesn't need me to keep going on its own.

Are you kidding? I bought my first gun when I was about 10 years old. Been involved with firearms for over 50 years. Trained on most of the 1960's vintage military small arms and qualified on the .45 ACP, M14, M16, bazooka, 90/106 mm Recoiless rifle, M79, M72, 105 and 155 mm Howitzer, helicopter 3.5 inch rockets, and 7.62 mini gun. I have a conceal carry permit and almost always armed including while riding. I just find your posts to be particularly funny if not severly ill conceived. Keep em up tho as I get a good laugh out of them.
Best wishes, Bill

[Jiggles]

Originally Posted by Bill N

Are you kidding? I bought my first gun when I was about 10 years old. Been involved with firearms for over 50 years. Trained on most of the 1960's vintage military small arms and qualified on the .45 ACP, M14, M16, bazooka, 90/106 mm Recoiless rifle, M79, M72, 105 and 155 mm Howitzer, helicopter 3.5 inch rockets, and 7.62 mini gun. I have a conceal carry permit and almost always armed including while riding. I just find your posts to be particularly funny if not severly ill conceived. Keep em up tho as I get a good laugh out of them.
Best wishes, Bill

I don't see a Howitzer in there.....

[kyrider]

Originally Posted by Jiggles

I don't see a Howitzer in there.....

The only thing that truly offends me about this pic is the fact he is laying on a futon.

[Jiggles]

Originally Posted by kyrider

The only thing that truly offends me about this pic is the fact he is laying on a futon.

And he has an ugly unibrow yuck!

[DarC]

Originally Posted by Jiggles

HOLY CRAP!!!




He has guitar hero.

[nakedhunter]

Originally Posted by Jiggles

I don't see a Howitzer in there.....

I am assuming that is just his concealed weapon stash for the short trips out.

[Jiggles]

Originally Posted by nakedhunter

I am assuming that is just his concealed weapon stash for the short trips out.

Where exactly do you expect him to conceal them?

[massacremasses]

his butt? duhh

[Peanut_EOD]

Stop ****ing quoting that picture! ****!

[massacremasses]

this one?

[akima]

Originally Posted by massacremasses

this one?

I was going to do that, but I knew someone else would if I didn't. Evil people!

Oh my... I seem to have quoted the sexy man picture again!

[Kurgan]

As soon as I get my CCW permit I do plan on concealed carry, but I'll need something smaller to carry, a Para Ordnance P14 isn't easy to conceal.

Originally Posted by Jiggles

Where is the "I would if California did not suck" option?

California still has legal Open Carry don't they?

As long as you have a clean record you can legally carry a gun out in the open as long as the chamber & magazine are empty, and you can carry full magazines elsewhere on your person.

There were (or still are) plans on changing that but I don't know if they ever went through. I hope it doesn't get changed because California had the country's highest firearm homicide rate for 2009. Other states with looser laws had MUCH lower rates, Vermont had ZERO.

Given the sheer amount of paranoia in California about guns, if you do Open Carry, plan on getting the cops called on you more often than the true bad guys, and plan on getting stopped for a "12031 Check" on a regular basis. As videos on youtube show, some cops are better about that check than others, some are just downright abusive about it treating you like the lowest slime on the face of the planet, while others walk up and talk calmly like actual humans.

I also suggest carrying a recording device with you at all times while you open carry, some cops are not beyond bending the situation to their favor to force an arrest where none is warranted. If you get stopped for a 12031 check, NEVER touch or reach for your gun, let them do it. Reaching for it gives them reason to escalate the situation, and that's a bad thing.

Originally Posted by n4mwd

Just curious, but does the CCTV thing over there actually work to prevent/solve crimes?

Nope, the UK's crime rates are soaring worse than ever, the 2 million cameras didn't work, the dual gun bans didn't work, their gun death rate has more than DOUBLED in the last decade...

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/ukne...-a-decade.html

Some of their crime rates are higher than the USA's.....

http://www.nationmaster.com/compare/...d-States/Crime

Assault Victims 133% higher in the UK
Bribe payers 16% higher in the UK
Car thefts per capita 44% higher in the UK
Drug offenses 326 times higher in the UK
Rape victims 125% higher in the UK
Software piracy rate 30% higher in the UK
Total Crimes per capita 7% higher in the UK
Total crime victims 25% higher in the UK

Their police and politicians have gone a complete 180 on how things should be. They've got teenage kids running around free on the streets with 30+ criminal convictions, but anyone who defends themselves from those criminals gets YEARS in prison.

They've even got a "certain Radical group" openly plotting to overthrow the Queen & Parliament, in public, ON CAMERA (multiple counts of High Treason) and they're not doing anything about it.

[massacremasses]

Originally Posted by Kurgan

As soon as I get my CCW permit I do plan on concealed carry, but I'll need something smaller to carry, a Para Ordnance P14 isn't easy to conceal.



California still has legal Open Carry don't they?

As long as you have a clean record you can legally carry a gun out in the open as long as the chamber & magazine are empty, and you can carry full magazines elsewhere on your person.

There were (or still are) plans on changing that but I don't know if they ever went through. I hope it doesn't get changed because California had the country's highest firearm homicide rate for 2009. Other states with looser laws had MUCH lower rates, Vermont had ZERO.

Given the sheer amount of paranoia in California about guns, if you do Open Carry, plan on getting the cops called on you more often than the true bad guys, and plan on getting stopped for a "12031 Check" on a regular basis. As videos on youtube show, some cops are better about that check than others, some are just downright abusive about it treating you like the lowest slime on the face of the planet, while others walk up and talk calmly like actual humans.

I also suggest carrying a recording device with you at all times while you open carry, some cops are not beyond bending the situation to their favor to force an arrest where none is warranted. If you get stopped for a 12031 check, NEVER touch or reach for your gun, let them do it. Reaching for it gives them reason to escalate the situation, and that's a bad thing.

Youre right you CAN get them here its just pretty hard. My dad has been looking at getting one and from what I understand you need a law enforcement endorsement, a reason, fees, and then maybe get one... correct me if I'm wrong someone... It seems simple enough, but getting an endorsement is pretty hard as they are basically accountable for you now.. So most officers do not want to do that. The only reason my dad could and would most likely get it is because his buddy is the chief of police in the neighboring town, and he would do that for him...

Someone like me? get outta here. No way I could ever get one EVEN though I have NO record and have never even gotten a ticket, Im 24 so Im dangerous, even though Im married and have a 3 year old son at home, who Id like to come home to every night...

Originally Posted by Kurgan

Nope, the UK's crime rates are soaring worse than ever, the 2 million cameras didn't work, the dual gun bans didn't work, their gun death rate has more than DOUBLED in the last decade...

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/ukne...-a-decade.html

Some of their crime rates are higher than the USA's.....

http://www.nationmaster.com/compare/...d-States/Crime

Assault Victims 133% higher in the UK
Bribe payers 16% higher in the UK
Car thefts per capita 44% higher in the UK
Drug offenses 326 times higher in the UK
Rape victims 125% higher in the UK
Software piracy rate 30% higher in the UK
Total Crimes per capita 7% higher in the UK
Total crime victims 25% higher in the UK

Their police and politicians have gone a complete 180 on how things should be. They've got teenage kids running around free on the streets with 30+ criminal convictions, but anyone who defends themselves from those criminals gets YEARS in prison.

They've even got a "certain Radical group" openly plotting to overthrow the Queen & Parliament, in public, ON CAMERA (multiple counts of High Treason) and they're not doing anything about it.

Perhaps those certain radical groups should over throw the govt. as long as they arent those insane jihadists that want that sharia law bullshit...

Thats where we are heading and it is appalling. (I mean we are heading in the direction of the UK)

[Kurgan]

Originally Posted by massacremasses

as long as they arent those insane jihadists that want that sharia law bullshit...

They are.

They want to turn Buckingham Palace into a Mosque....there's a video on youtube about it.

The video alone is evidence of multiple counts of High Treason under UK law but their cops weren't touching them.

[massacremasses]

Originally Posted by Kurgan

They are.

They want to turn Buckingham Palace into a Mosque....there's a video on youtube about it.

The video alone is evidence of multiple counts of High Treason under UK law but their cops weren't touching them.

Treason here can still get you the death penalty... why is the UK so dumb? and like I said before this is the frightening direction we are headed... Ill stop there before I get to political..

Although I feel like this issue is somewhat of a politically polarizing issue..

[GeorgiaHooligan]

IM blind!

[n4mwd]

I feel sorry for some of you guys that live in uncivilized countries and states that restrict gun ownership and use. Florida just abolished all county and city gun laws. In addition, it imposed penalties that remove politicians from office if they suggest adding new anti-gun laws. In short, the state said that it and it alone will make gun policy in FL.

Just saw in the paper where they said the homicide rate has dropped again. Wonder why.

Palm Beach County sees big drop in homicides this year

[Kurgan]

Originally Posted by n4mwd

Florida just abolished all county and city gun laws. In addition, it imposed penalties that remove politicians from office if they suggest adding new anti-gun laws. In short, the state said that it and it alone will make gun policy in FL.

I'd love to see the link for that one so I can add it to my arsenal to use against the anti-gunners.

So many people believe the nightly TV news hook line and sinker that it's hard to get them to believe any true facts at all, even when the numbers come from the FBI.

[Bill N]

Originally Posted by Kurgan

I'd love to see the link for that one so I can add it to my arsenal to use against the anti-gunners.

So many people believe the nightly TV news hook line and sinker that it's hard to get them to believe any true facts at all, even when the numbers come from the FBI.

I'd like to see a link too to see how the law is worded. I like the recent Florida laws that are in favor of its citizens. Having the state in charge of all gun laws is great as long as the state polititians are pro gun ownership. As the political winds change this centralized control could be disasterous when other polititians are voted into power. Bill

[lv250]

In A simple word. YES

it depends on where I am going depends on which one or two I carry.

[Cuongism]

Originally Posted by n4mwd

I feel sorry for some of you guys that live in uncivilized countries and states that restrict gun ownership and use. Florida just abolished all county and city gun laws. In addition, it imposed penalties that remove politicians from office if they suggest adding new anti-gun laws. In short, the state said that it and it alone will make gun policy in FL.

Just saw in the paper where they said the homicide rate has dropped again. Wonder why.

Palm Beach County sees big drop in homicides this year

San Diego last year had its lowest homicide rate since 1968 and had the second best drop for large cities other than...wait for it, San Jose. I think it's because I stopped eating beef. See, I can make unproven correlations too

BTW, Palm Beach and San Diego have about the same population, 1.3 million. In 2010, San Diego had 29 homicides vs Palm Beach's 97. Homicides go up and down every year and I personally think it has nothing to do with gun control. People will find one way or another to kill each other if they really want to (guns make it easier though).

Here's a good link if anyone wants to compare murder rates by state.

http://www.disastercenter.com/crime/cacrime.htm

[LoD575]

Originally Posted by Kurgan

Given the sheer amount of paranoia in California about guns, if you do Open Carry, plan on getting the cops called on you more often than the true bad guys, and plan on getting stopped for a "12031 Check" on a regular basis. As videos on youtube show, some cops are better about that check than others, some are just downright abusive about it treating you like the lowest slime on the face of the planet, while others walk up and talk calmly like actual humans.

I also suggest carrying a recording device with you at all times while you open carry, some cops are not beyond bending the situation to their favor to force an arrest where none is warranted. If you get stopped for a 12031 check, NEVER touch or reach for your gun, let them do it. Reaching for it gives them reason to escalate the situation, and that's a bad thing.

That is good advise. NEVER reach for a firearm when in the presence of LEO, you will be shot.
If a person reaches for a firearm that person then escalated the situation and not LEO.

I will never be able to understand states like California and Illinois with their restrictive gun laws and paranoia about firearms in general.

I work as an LEO in an open carry state and I have responded to my share of calls regarding people openly carrying firearms in holsters. It's a simple and easy call, introduce myself, explain the situation, then leave.
Most people who carry firearms know the laws regarding carrying and abide by them.

Now the person walking down the street or in a residence/business openly brandishing a firearm is a completely different style call.

[Jiggles]

Originally Posted by Kurgan

As soon as I get my CCW permit I do plan on concealed carry, but I'll need something smaller to carry, a Para Ordnance P14 isn't easy to conceal.



California still has legal Open Carry don't they?

As long as you have a clean record you can legally carry a gun out in the open as long as the chamber & magazine are empty, and you can carry full magazines elsewhere on your person.

There were (or still are) plans on changing that but I don't know if they ever went through. I hope it doesn't get changed because California had the country's highest firearm homicide rate for 2009. Other states with looser laws had MUCH lower rates, Vermont had ZERO.

Given the sheer amount of paranoia in California about guns, if you do Open Carry, plan on getting the cops called on you more often than the true bad guys, and plan on getting stopped for a "12031 Check" on a regular basis. As videos on youtube show, some cops are better about that check than others, some are just downright abusive about it treating you like the lowest slime on the face of the planet, while others walk up and talk calmly like actual humans.

I also suggest carrying a recording device with you at all times while you open carry, some cops are not beyond bending the situation to their favor to force an arrest where none is warranted. If you get stopped for a 12031 check, NEVER touch or reach for your gun, let them do it. Reaching for it gives them reason to escalate the situation, and that's a bad thing.


Nope, the UK's crime rates are soaring worse than ever, the 2 million cameras didn't work, the dual gun bans didn't work, their gun death rate has more than DOUBLED in the last decade...

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/ukne...-a-decade.html

Some of their crime rates are higher than the USA's.....

http://www.nationmaster.com/compare/...d-States/Crime

Assault Victims 133% higher in the UK
Bribe payers 16% higher in the UK
Car thefts per capita 44% higher in the UK
Drug offenses 326 times higher in the UK
Rape victims 125% higher in the UK
Software piracy rate 30% higher in the UK
Total Crimes per capita 7% higher in the UK
Total crime victims 25% higher in the UK

Their police and politicians have gone a complete 180 on how things should be. They've got teenage kids running around free on the streets with 30+ criminal convictions, but anyone who defends themselves from those criminals gets YEARS in prison.

They've even got a "certain Radical group" openly plotting to overthrow the Queen & Parliament, in public, ON CAMERA (multiple counts of High Treason) and they're not doing anything about it.

Open Carry in california is 100% useless and in fact a retarded thing to do. My dad's friend was open carrying when he got jumped by a few guys and they stole his gun. An unloaded gun is as useful as a rock.

[Jiggles]

Originally Posted by Cuongism

San Diego last year had its lowest homicide rate since 1968 and had the second best drop for large cities other than...wait for it, San Jose. I think it's because I stopped eating beef. See, I can make unproven correlations too

BTW, Palm Beach and San Diego have about the same population, 1.3 million. In 2010, San Diego had 29 homicides vs Palm Beach's 97. Homicides go up and down every year and I personally think it has nothing to do with gun control. People will find one way or another to kill each other if they really want to (guns make it easier though).

Here's a good link if anyone wants to compare murder rates by state.

http://www.disastercenter.com/crime/cacrime.htm

There's been about 5 shootings this year at or around San Jose State University.

[Jiggles]

Originally Posted by massacremasses

Youre right you CAN get them here its just pretty hard. My dad has been looking at getting one and from what I understand you need a law enforcement endorsement, a reason, fees, and then maybe get one... correct me if I'm wrong someone... It seems simple enough, but getting an endorsement is pretty hard as they are basically accountable for you now.. So most officers do not want to do that. The only reason my dad could and would most likely get it is because his buddy is the chief of police in the neighboring town, and he would do that for him...

Someone like me? get outta here. No way I could ever get one EVEN though I have NO record and have never even gotten a ticket, Im 24 so Im dangerous, even though Im married and have a 3 year old son at home, who Id like to come home to every night...

You need to have reasonable cause in order to get a CCW. There is no endorsement system. You have to prove that you need a firearm in order to be safe. People who can get a CCW are Police, Doctors (because drug addicts may attack them in order to get their script pad), People who carry large amounts of cash around (buy an ATM and you qualify, Jewelry Store Owners, etc. etc.....

Perhaps those certain radical groups should over throw the govt. as long as they arent those insane jihadists that want that sharia law bullshit...

Thats where we are heading and it is appalling. (I mean we are heading in the direction of the UK)

[n4mwd]

Originally Posted by Kurgan

I'd love to see the link for that one so I can add it to my arsenal to use against the anti-gunners.

So many people believe the nightly TV news hook line and sinker that it's hard to get them to believe any true facts at all, even when the numbers come from the FBI.

Here you go...


It goes into effect October 1, 2011.

The summary is:

CS/CS/CS/HB 45 - Regulation of Firearms and Ammunition

Regulation of Firearms and Ammunition: Clarifies & reorganizes provisions that preempt to state entire field of regulation of firearms; prohibits knowing & willful violation of Legislature's occupation of whole field of regulation of firearms & ammunition by enactment or causation of enforcement of any local ordinance or administrative rule or regulation; provides additional intent of section; eliminates provisions authorizing counties to adopt ordinance requiring waiting period between purchase & delivery of handgun; provides injunctive relief from enforcement of invalid ordinance, regulation, or rule; provides civil penalty for knowing & willful violation of prohibitions; provides that public funds may not be used to defend or reimburse unlawful conduct of person charged with knowing & willful violation of act; provides for termination of employment or contract or removal from office of person acting in official capacity who knowingly & willfully violates any provision of act; provides for declaratory & injunctive relief for specified persons or organizations; provides for specified damages & interest; provides exceptions to prohibitions of section.

In short, the only the state is allowed to make gun laws and any politician or cop that tries to do differently will be fired, removed from office and sued civilly for damages. In the past, the gun laws that were applicable varied depending on where you were. In Palm Beach County, you could fire a shotgun in your backyard in one part of the county, but not the other. This law unifies the gun laws in FL. Some parts of the county did not honor the states CCW permit. Things like that.

PS - When you go to the above link, click on "Enrolled" for the actual bill text.
PPS - Or you can click here.

[massacremasses]

I just quoted your quote of me

Not sure if you just agreed with it or what? lol


its invisible

[oblivion007]

I put never because I don't have a pistol =p

[massacremasses]

Originally Posted by oblivion007

I put never because I don't have a pistol =p

well shoot neither do I... lol

[Kurgan]

Originally Posted by n4mwd

In short, the only the state is allowed to make gun laws and any politician or cop that tries to do differently will be fired, removed from office and sued civilly for damages. In the past, the gun laws that were applicable varied depending on where you were. In Palm Beach County, you could fire a shotgun in your backyard in one part of the county, but not the other. This law unifies the gun laws in FL. Some parts of the county did not honor the states CCW permit. Things like that.

Awesome, no more sheriffs on a power trip, no more corrupt politicians acting like dictators. The fact that they can't use public money to defend themselves is one of the best parts, they can go broke defending themselves when they do something stupid.

[onetruevibe]

I do a lot of hiking and camping with my kids (6yo - 7yo) and wife in some pretty remote locations within the PA national forests, and it is not uncommon to cross paths with individuals of questionable character (not to judge the book).

Anyway, I'm licensed to carry firearms in PA and always do so within this context. I've never been in a situation where revealing my firearm was necessary (and never hope to), but would be prepared if the need were to arise.

As for carrying on my 250. Nah.

[Jiggles]

Originally Posted by onetruevibe

I do a lot of hiking and camping with my kids (6yo - 7yo) and wife in some pretty remote locations within the PA national forests, and it is not uncommon to cross paths with individuals of questionable character (not to judge the book).

Anyway, I'm licensed to carry firearms in PA and always do so within this context. I've never been in a situation where revealing my firearm was necessary (and never hope to), but would be prepared if the need were to arise.

As for carrying on my 250. Nah.

I can only pray that you never encounter one of these on the highway or you will be SOL

[adouglas]

Originally Posted by Hopmix

Ill give up my $4000 bike to avoid having to kill some dumb kid. Thats why I have Insurance.

Pops always said don't ever pull a gun unless you aim to kill em. No such thing as freeze don't move in the civilian world. Hope you guys never have to pull it.

this.

Just for political temperature purposes, I do have a CCW. I also happen to think the attitude of many armed citizens is shortsighted and unrealistic.

Those who envision drawing to prevent property loss (and especially the guy who chooses to carry in a state where it's illegal) really should educate themselves both on the law where they live and on what actually happens AFTER the incident to those who pull a gun.

The consequences of brandishing a weapon are bad, even if you're legally entitled to carry it. The consequences of shooting someone, even if you're in the right, are REALLY REALLY bad in all kinds of ways.

Remember Bernie Goetz? Go look up what happened to him. He shot and wounded four punks in a NY subway in 1984 when they tried to shake him down for some cash. He was charged with attempted murder, assault, reckless endangerment, and various weapons violations. He was acquitted on on all charges except an illegal possession count. Okay, so pulled his gun, used it and was vindicated in court. He came out on top in the end, right?

Wrong. In 1996 the civil case went to trial and one of the punks was awarded $43 million. Goetz filed for bankruptcy.

With the harsh glare of public scrutiny on him as "the subway vigilante," consider what his life must have been like in the years -- not days, weeks or months, YEARS -- after the shooting. The impact on his career. His chances of getting a good job with this on his record. His personal life. When a civilian pulls a gun, it kicks off a long, long string of events, most of which are not good at all.

I would have given the kid my wallet instead.

Bottom line: The gun comes out of the holster ONLY if there is real, imminent danger to my life. That's what the law says in my state, and woe betide me if I don't follow it. Giving up a bike, your wallet, -- anything you own -- is trivial compared to the cost of defending yourself in both criminal and civil court. It's even less than trivial compared to the long-term consequences to your life.