n00b totals 250 on first ride

[drac]

Originally Posted by massacremasses

@drac telling @Jiggles telling him he should expect, everyone to pull out in front of him. Yet drac doesnt do AGATT even though he believes that someone is going to pull out in front of him. .

If you really believed that why wouldnt you "dress" to crash/get hit?

I just find that odd.

I live in the country....I mean there are literally 3 houses within a square mile of my house. When I lived in MD/DC then yes I was ATGATT 90-95% of the time.

[massacremasses]

Originally Posted by drac

I live in the country....I mean there are literally 3 houses within a square mile of my house. When I lived in MD/DC then yes I was ATGATT 90-95% of the time.

you have a lot of faith in yourself. Single vehicle motorcycle accidents are pretty high too.

[drac]

Originally Posted by massacremasses

na, I dont roll like that. So idk if it was either, lol. I just thought it was funny that he was really anti ATGATT, but then made that statement.

Im SOTGATT lol. I regularly lack pants, but hoping that will change pretty soon.

You took my post about ATGATT the wrong way. I never said gear is bad. I think I stated that gear is good, which it is......That post was about railing on people if they don't go out ATGATT every time they ride.

[drac]

Originally Posted by Jiggles

40 feet is probably pretty accurate lol

You had 40 feet to stop from 28mph?

[drac]

Just ran out for a little testing........

Dead cold, stock IRC tires after 6 attempts my average stopping distance was 14.5 feet.
Counting it off in my head it was right around 1 sec. per stop

The time is a guesstimate....... the avg. feet to stop is a solid measured number.

Looking back at you video if you had of properly panic braked you would have stopped before the end of the driveway on the left. That assuming a 28mph speed.

[drac]

Yea 14.5 feet................Test was pick a line at which I could not brake before and when the bike stopped I put the kickstand down and measured with a tape measure from the line to the front of the contact patch on my tire.

In all actuality if I had all the crap you mention my braking distance would have been slightly lower.

[massacremasses]

Originally Posted by drac

You took my post about ATGATT the wrong way. I never said gear is bad. I think I stated that gear is good, which it is......That post was about railing on people if they don't go out ATGATT every time they ride.

Im not hating. I just try and dress like im going to fall every time I hop on...

[drac]

It's all good, MM. no worries mate

[etiainen]

At a deceleration rate of 1g, you'd still need more than 14.5 feet to stop from 28MPH. 1.3 seconds though. 41.076 FPS / 32FPSPS is around 1.3 seconds w/o reaction time. That's assuming 1g decel however.

[Jiggles]

Originally Posted by drac

You had 40 feet to stop from 28mph?

No I don't know. I'm going to measure it sometime and then practice to see if I could have stopped in that distance (distance unknown as of now) I don't think you can stop from 28mph in 14 ft, that sounds quite off to me. Also, don't forget the speedo error

Also another thing, distance in feet really messes me up i.e. "oh you had 45 feet to stop? that seems like enough" compared to "oh you had 15 yards to stop? Thats def not enough" yes I know they are equivalent but the fact that they sound so different in my head makes me misjudge both.

When I get a chance I will measure the distance from impact to initally seeing the tire move and initial reaction. then we can set up some valid tests to see how much speed I could have scrubbed off if I was pro

[Jiggles]

I'm enjoying this thread more now, nice and lighthearted and progressively getting somewhere

[Jono]

Originally Posted by Jiggles

I'm having fun on the BARF forums haha

http://www.bayarearidersforum.com/fo....php?p=7354569

Many of those comments contain good points. Others not so much. Don't be so defensive.

Are you creeped out that everyone in the world can find where you live now???

[Jiggles]

Originally Posted by Jono

Many of those comments contain good points. Others not so much. Don't be so defensive.

Are you creeped out that everyone in the world can find where you live now???

I've already ordered a camera security system and a new shotgun.


Bring it on.

And actually, you can find where I live and who my relatives are by simply googling my name. It works for most people.

[drac]

Originally Posted by Jiggles

No I don't know. I'm going to measure it sometime and then practice to see if I could have stopped in that distance (distance unknown as of now) I don't think you can stop from 28mph in 14 ft, that sounds quite off to me. Also, don't forget the speedo error

Also another thing, distance in feet really messes me up i.e. "oh you had 45 feet to stop? that seems like enough" compared to "oh you had 15 yards to stop? Thats def not enough" yes I know they are equivalent but the fact that they sound so different in my head makes me misjudge both.

When I get a chance I will measure the distance from impact to initally seeing the tire move and initial reaction. then we can set up some valid tests to see how much speed I could have scrubbed off if I was pro

Yea, I would like to know the distance. I just did three more tries a got 20', 17'3' and last try was 15'4". Tried to record but all I have is a webcam and I had it were you can't see everything during last run.

[Jono]

Originally Posted by Jiggles

I've already ordered a camera security system and a new shotgun.


Bring it on.

And actually, you can find where I live and who my relatives are by simply googling my name. It works for most people.

True. But I don't know your last name. Is your full name Sean Ninja Jiggles??

Well when I do that your crash thread pops up. Mmmmhm.


You park your Ninja outside in the driveway, though.

[Jiggles]

Originally Posted by drac

Yea, I would like to know the distance. I just did three more tries a got 20', 17'3' and last try was 15'4". Tried to record but all I have is a webcam and I had it were you can't see everything during last run.

This still sounds very off to me. A lot of sites have speed vs distance stopping times here's one I found for 30mph

30 MPH 33 feet

http://www.motorvike.com/BrakingDistance.htm

Everywhere I look seems to say that at 30mph you will go 33 feet to stop or more

[etiainen]

Originally Posted by Jiggles

No I don't know. I'm going to measure it sometime and then practice to see if I could have stopped in that distance (distance unknown as of now) I don't think you can stop from 28mph in 14 ft, that sounds quite off to me. Also, don't forget the speedo error

Also another thing, distance in feet really messes me up i.e. "oh you had 45 feet to stop? that seems like enough" compared to "oh you had 15 yards to stop? Thats def not enough" yes I know they are equivalent but the fact that they sound so different in my head makes me misjudge both.

When I get a chance I will measure the distance from impact to initally seeing the tire move and initial reaction. then we can set up some valid tests to see how much speed I could have scrubbed off if I was pro

Definitely over 40 feet. Since you were going 41FPS for at least the second hadn't started braking yet.

[Jiggles]

Originally Posted by etiainen

Definitely over 40 feet. Since you were going 41FPS for at least the second hand't started braking yet.

Actually I would say less than that since from my reaction to crash was .9 seconds.

I'm fairly certain the distance I measure will be between 30-40 feet. Oh man, maybe if I was pro at braking I could have made it! Although I actually still would have crashed because my reaction was to go around her, not slam on the brakes -_-

[Jiggles]

I also realize that saying stopping in .9 seconds is wrong because if you were decelerating fast enough that time to impact would be extended

[Jiggles]

Argh! I'm very excited to go measure, how should I go about it? I doubt a tape measure is feasible

[drac]

Sorry guys. Hopefully someone else who has been riding for a while will do the test also and confirm my results. 33 feet/40 feet....lol.... I will see if I can post the vid. Will take a while.

[drac]

You are correct Jigs. The time it takes to stop is irrelevant. It's just whether you can stop in X amount of feet.

[etiainen]

Originally Posted by Jiggles

Actually I would say less than that since from my reaction to crash was .9 seconds.

I'm fairly certain the distance I measure will be between 30-40 feet. Oh man, maybe if I was pro at braking I could have made it! Although I actually still would have crashed because my reaction was to go around her, not slam on the brakes -_-

I guess I have been calculating the distance as when she first turned her wheel, not when you started to react.

[Jiggles]

Originally Posted by etiainen

I guess I have been calculating the distance as when she first turned her wheel, not when you started to react.

cmon now, I'm not super man

[etiainen]

Hey, come on now, you are superman. You're back on your bike and enjoying life again!

As we can see though, that reaction time is very precious.

[Jiggles]

Originally Posted by etiainen

Hey, come on now, you are superman. You're back on your bike and enjoying life again!

As we can see though, that reaction time is very precious.

That it is, I may adopt the brake covered technique for situations like these. Who knows, maybe that .150 seconds it shaves off would be the ultimate deciding factor on whether or not stopping in time is even feasible

[etiainen]

I've shown this vid to a bunch of people and most agree that it was physically possible to stop in the total distance, but also agree that recognizing and actively countering the situation would be very hard.

[Jiggles]

Originally Posted by etiainen

I've shown this vid to a bunch of people and most agree that it was physically possible to stop in the total distance, but also agree that recognizing and actively countering the situation would be very hard.

You know what's funny, if I was in a car, no one would be saying anything about me lol

[etiainen]

Well you wouldn't have broken your femur.

[Sinister]

Originally Posted by drac

Yea, I would like to know the distance. I just did three more tries a got 20', 17'3' and last try was 15'4". Tried to record but all I have is a webcam and I had it were you can't see everything during last run.

It's difficult to find examples of motorcycles 30-0 times listed anywhere reliable let alone 28. However there are plenty of places you can find car 30-0. A few examples:

911 Carerra GTS: 27 feet
http://www.edmunds.com/porsche/911/2...est-specs.html

New BRZ: 28 feet
http://www.insideline.com/subaru/brz...and-video.html

Evo X and 335i: 29 and 27 feet respectively
http://www.insideline.com/mitsubishi...r-touring.html

So you (drac) are awesome enough to stop in barely over half the distance of these cars despite the cars ability to just slam on the binders and let the abs and massive amounts of rubber do the work for you. Impressive.

Oh, and here's a study done by the MSF on a few different bikes comparing ABS to no ABS. Lucky for us it lists 30-0 stopping distances (though its listed in kph). Guess what, the absolute best result was over 34 feet. (they list it in meters btw)

http://www.msf-usa.org/imsc/proceedi...ngdistance.pdf

Somehow I doubt those 2mph extra more than double the stopping distance.

[lgk]

Originally Posted by miss_syn

What crack are you smoking? I was dehydrated from the flu and went to the hospital. $2000 for a bag of fluids. I was working part time as a full time college student barely scraping by. I made too much to qualify for any sort of financial help, but not enough to pay a bill that was suddenly 1/5 of my yearly income. (No insurance because my job didn't offer it and I didn't make enough to buy it.)

Only the people who don't work at all benefit from any sort of low income assistance. If you're above the income limits, even just barely, you are so royally ****ED. And most jobs you're lucky to get flexible spending accounts, especially if you're younger.

the only crack i'm smoking is reality.
if your company don't even offer a flexible spending account, retirement, or insurance, you need to find a one that meets your requirements.
if you don't want to pay for insurance, there are plenty of places that offer these benefits.

as for $2000 that's not bad for an emergency room visit. you could negotiated the price down though, and made payments.

i spent $4000 on a broken arm, and i made payments for a couple of years with no interest. the bone healed great, and was worth it to me.

as for young people not getting any insurance, they need to take responsibility find a way to pay up, or take a risk and not get insurance.
they need to quit complaining, and start bettering themselves.

[Jiggles]

Originally Posted by etiainen

Well you wouldn't have broken your femur.

Nope, I would have broken a frail 17yr old girl lol

[drac]

If it takes you 30+ feet to stop a newgen ninja 250 from 28mph then you need serious braking practice........A Goldwing or Harley maybe.....but a ninja 250...lol

[drac]

So you (drac) are awesome enough to stop in barely over half the distance of these cars despite the cars ability to just slam on the binders and let the abs and massive amounts of rubber do the work for you. Impressive.

Why, yes I am...lol.

Do you have any idea what those cars weigh??????

Your comparison is ludicrous.

[Sinister]

Originally Posted by drac

Why, yes I am...lol.

Do you have any idea what those cars weigh??????

Your comparison is ludicrous.

Did you read the MSF report at the bottom? Maybe you should. Also:



http://www.motorcycle-usa.com/156/91...omparison.aspx

http://www.motorcycle-usa.com/10/104...-Shootout.aspx

There is the newgen 250 getting trounced by a HD in 60-0 braking.

[Jiggles]

dracs speedo is on meth O.o

[etiainen]

Originally Posted by drac

If it takes you 30+ feet to stop a newgen ninja 250 from 28mph then you need serious braking practice........A Goldwing or Harley maybe.....but a ninja 250...lol

They weigh more but have some pretty good brakes to compensate!

[drac]

Dudes....WTF r u people talking about..........I just stopped my 2009 ninja 250 from 28(32 on speedo)mph to a stop 9 times.....Averaged 14/15ft the first 6. The last three were 20, 17, 15.5......

And you guys are telling me that is impossible??????

It happened, it is a fact......deal with it

Will post the vid tonight if I can. Will try to get a better vid in the next couple days.

Sorry but you guys don't know what you are talking about.

[etiainen]

Are you trying to say your decel rate was greater than 1g? Please show me the math that adds up to a 14.5 ft stopping distance from 41fps.

[Jiggles]

Originally Posted by drac

Dudes....WTF r u people talking about..........I just stopped my 2009 ninja 250 from 28(32 on speedo)mph

Wow you have a really big error on your speedo. that's a 14% error!