starting problem

gogiburn · June 25th, 2010, 05:52 PM

2005 with 12K new to me.Won't start without pulling in clutch with it in neutral.Sprayed switch with Deoxit and pulled sidestand off and sprayed it and worked the rod in and out.Is connected electrically but still won't start in neutral without pulling in clutch
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seis gunnar · June 25th, 2010, 06:17 PM

It shouldn't start without the clutched pulled in. Even with the gear selector in neutral. Don't quote me on this but, until the clutch is disengaged there is still enough drag from the transmission, that the engine won't turnover.

gogiburn · June 25th, 2010, 06:21 PM

My other 250 2004 and all 23 other bikes I own start in neutral without the clutch being pulled in.In fact the 2004 250 does have sticky clutch plates at times and will MOVE the bike forward even with the clutch pulled in.
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seis gunnar · June 25th, 2010, 07:25 PM

Fair enough; I guess, I've always pulled my clutch in as I was driving cars with manuals before motorcycles.

Unfortunately, that is as far as I can go with any help. Or was that help?

Though I am interested in what you find out.

Alex · June 25th, 2010, 08:11 PM

I believe that the clutch lever switch overrides all. If the clutch isn't pulled in, it won't start no matter what's happening with the other safety switches (kill switch, sidestand switch, neutral indicator).

EDIT: Nope, I was wrong. Just tested mine in the garage. If it's in neutral and the sidestand is up, my 2008 will start whether the clutch lever is pulled in or not.

Sounds like it has to be your neutral indicator being the issue. The clutch lever shouldn't matter, and if the sidestand switch was keeping it from starting, it would kill the engine as soon as you put it in gear anyway.

gogiburn · June 25th, 2010, 08:12 PM

nope
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gogiburn · June 26th, 2010, 09:22 AM

Actually you were half right.The clutch switch was misaligned so the plunger was ALL the way out (no start) I jumped the connector and it worked so I checked the mechanical part (the plunger) and found it below the cluch lever.Once I put the plunger at the right place where the clutch lever pushed it in it worked fine with the side stand up and clutch out.Seems it has to be the right combo but the clutch switch seems to be the main key.Thanks for everyones help I now have a bike that starts when I hit the button
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03slime250 · June 26th, 2010, 11:43 PM

hmmm, i have to pull my clutch in sometimes to start it also

gogiburn · June 27th, 2010, 04:34 AM

WEll tings are still not right.Bike starts in neutral without clutch but will not start in gear with clutch pulled in??
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Guinss · June 27th, 2010, 05:05 AM

Is that with the side stand down?

gogiburn · June 27th, 2010, 05:08 AM

NO,it's with the side stand up.Will stat in neutral and I will drive it a few feet and stop leave it in gear and hit starter with clutch pulled in and it will not start
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Guinss · June 27th, 2010, 05:16 AM

Sounds like the clutch switch isn't working then.

I assume that when you say "will not start", you mean that the starter motor wont turn over.
The talk above about sticky clutch made me a bit confused, wether you mean the start motor is turning but the bike wont start, or the start motor doesnt turn.

gogiburn · June 27th, 2010, 05:36 AM

No starter motor at all
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gogiburn · July 20th, 2010, 03:41 PM

Ok,found out the clutch lever was bent in slightly,enough that it hit the bar before totally disengaging the clutch switch.Didn't find it till AFTER I bought a new switch.
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CZroe · July 29th, 2010, 03:24 PM

I always kick up into neutral clutchlessly before I even stick in my key (safe when it's parked, right?) and then inset the key, flip my kill-switch back into the start position, and start the bike, all while I stand next to it. It remains on the kick stand and I do not have to pull in the clutch. Does everyone else warm up while sitting on the bike or something?!

Of course, mine's a J-series.

June 25th, 2010, 05:52 PM	#1
gogiburn ninjette.org member Name: RIP Location: nj Join Date: Jun 2010 Motorcycle(s): have 24 Posts: 53	starting problem 2005 with 12K new to me.Won't start without pulling in clutch with it in neutral.Sprayed switch with Deoxit and pulled sidestand off and sprayed it and worked the rod in and out.Is connected electrically but still won't start in neutral without pulling in clutch Posted via Mobile Device

June 25th, 2010, 08:11 PM	#5
Alex ninjette.org dude Name: 1 guess :-) Location: SF Bay Area Join Date: Jun 2008 Motorcycle(s): '13 Ninja 300 (white, the fastest color!), '13 R1200RT, '14 CRF250L, '12 TT-R125LE Posts: Too much. Blog Entries: 7	I believe that the clutch lever switch overrides all. If the clutch isn't pulled in, it won't start no matter what's happening with the other safety switches (kill switch, sidestand switch, neutral indicator). EDIT: Nope, I was wrong. Just tested mine in the garage. If it's in neutral and the sidestand is up, my 2008 will start whether the clutch lever is pulled in or not. Sounds like it has to be your neutral indicator being the issue. The clutch lever shouldn't matter, and if the sidestand switch was keeping it from starting, it would kill the engine as soon as you put it in gear anyway. __________________________________________________ Montgomery Street Motorcycle Club / cal24.com / crf250l.org / ninjette.org ninjette.org Terms of Service Shopping for motorcycle parts or equipment? Come here first. The friendliest Ninja 250R/300/400 forum on the internet! (especially Unregistered)

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June 25th, 2010, 06:17 PM	#2
seis gunnar ninjette.org member Name: Jon Location: St Paul/ Somewhere on the blue marble Join Date: Jun 2009 Motorcycle(s): '09 250R SE Lime Green Posts: 48	It shouldn't start without the clutched pulled in. Even with the gear selector in neutral. Don't quote me on this but, until the clutch is disengaged there is still enough drag from the transmission, that the engine won't turnover.

June 25th, 2010, 06:21 PM	#3
gogiburn ninjette.org member Name: RIP Location: nj Join Date: Jun 2010 Motorcycle(s): have 24 Posts: 53	My other 250 2004 and all 23 other bikes I own start in neutral without the clutch being pulled in.In fact the 2004 250 does have sticky clutch plates at times and will MOVE the bike forward even with the clutch pulled in. Posted via Mobile Device

June 25th, 2010, 07:25 PM	#4
seis gunnar ninjette.org member Name: Jon Location: St Paul/ Somewhere on the blue marble Join Date: Jun 2009 Motorcycle(s): '09 250R SE Lime Green Posts: 48	Fair enough; I guess, I've always pulled my clutch in as I was driving cars with manuals before motorcycles. Unfortunately, that is as far as I can go with any help. Or was that help? Though I am interested in what you find out.

June 25th, 2010, 08:12 PM	#6
gogiburn ninjette.org member Name: RIP Location: nj Join Date: Jun 2010 Motorcycle(s): have 24 Posts: 53	nope Posted via Mobile Device

June 26th, 2010, 09:22 AM	#7
gogiburn ninjette.org member Name: RIP Location: nj Join Date: Jun 2010 Motorcycle(s): have 24 Posts: 53	Actually you were half right.The clutch switch was misaligned so the plunger was ALL the way out (no start) I jumped the connector and it worked so I checked the mechanical part (the plunger) and found it below the cluch lever.Once I put the plunger at the right place where the clutch lever pushed it in it worked fine with the side stand up and clutch out.Seems it has to be the right combo but the clutch switch seems to be the main key.Thanks for everyones help I now have a bike that starts when I hit the button Posted via Mobile Device

June 26th, 2010, 11:43 PM	#8
03slime250 ninjette.org member Name: dakota Location: northwest arkansas Join Date: May 2010 Motorcycle(s): 2003 ninja 250 Posts: 61	hmmm, i have to pull my clutch in sometimes to start it also

June 27th, 2010, 04:34 AM	#9
gogiburn ninjette.org member Name: RIP Location: nj Join Date: Jun 2010 Motorcycle(s): have 24 Posts: 53	WEll tings are still not right.Bike starts in neutral without clutch but will not start in gear with clutch pulled in?? Posted via Mobile Device

June 27th, 2010, 05:05 AM	#10
Guinss ninjette.org guru Name: Simen Location: Norway Join Date: Jan 2009 Motorcycle(s): 2008 250R (Black) Posts: 298	Is that with the side stand down?

June 27th, 2010, 05:08 AM	#11
gogiburn ninjette.org member Name: RIP Location: nj Join Date: Jun 2010 Motorcycle(s): have 24 Posts: 53	NO,it's with the side stand up.Will stat in neutral and I will drive it a few feet and stop leave it in gear and hit starter with clutch pulled in and it will not start Posted via Mobile Device

June 27th, 2010, 05:16 AM	#12
Guinss ninjette.org guru Name: Simen Location: Norway Join Date: Jan 2009 Motorcycle(s): 2008 250R (Black) Posts: 298	Sounds like the clutch switch isn't working then. I assume that when you say "will not start", you mean that the starter motor wont turn over. The talk above about sticky clutch made me a bit confused, wether you mean the start motor is turning but the bike wont start, or the start motor doesnt turn.

June 27th, 2010, 05:36 AM	#13
gogiburn ninjette.org member Name: RIP Location: nj Join Date: Jun 2010 Motorcycle(s): have 24 Posts: 53	No starter motor at all Posted via Mobile Device

July 20th, 2010, 03:41 PM	#14
gogiburn ninjette.org member Name: RIP Location: nj Join Date: Jun 2010 Motorcycle(s): have 24 Posts: 53	Ok,found out the clutch lever was bent in slightly,enough that it hit the bar before totally disengaging the clutch switch.Didn't find it till AFTER I bought a new switch. Posted via Mobile Device

July 29th, 2010, 03:24 PM	#15
CZroe CPT Falcon Name: J.Emmett Turner Location: Newnan, GA Join Date: Apr 2009 Motorcycle(s): '08 CP Blue EX250J, '97 unpainted EX250F, 2nd '97 unpainted EX250F (no engine), '07 black EX250F Posts: A lot.	I always kick up into neutral clutchlessly before I even stick in my key (safe when it's parked, right?) and then inset the key, flip my kill-switch back into the start position, and start the bike, all while I stand next to it. It remains on the kick stand and I do not have to pull in the clutch. Does everyone else warm up while sitting on the bike or something?! Of course, mine's a J-series.