October 19th, 2011, 03:05 PM | #1 |
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Name: David
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Tire Warmers For 250s?
So i was looking into buying some tire warmers for my track bike and i couldn't find any warmers from well known brand names (chicken Hawk, Woodcraft, etc) that would fit my 140 rear and 110 front tires. I don't want to pay $400+ on a decent set of warmers that are too big and end up burning them up. Any suggestions? What kind of warmers do you use on your trackbikes? Will they actually burn up or am i just paranoid? Any help would be greatly appreciated!
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October 19th, 2011, 03:25 PM | #2 |
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Name: Sean
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Chicken Hawk makes a set specially for the Ninja 250. They are sized for the 110/140 and work great. You will need to call and ask for them specifically, but I have a pair so I know they exist.
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October 19th, 2011, 06:23 PM | #3 |
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Paranoid. I use my Chicken Hawk Pole Position warmers on my 250. 110/140 tires. I've never had any problems with them burning up.
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October 19th, 2011, 06:56 PM | #4 |
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Alright cool. I will look into the specific 250r warmers... if they turn out to be too expensive i will try regular ones. Thanks for all the help
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October 19th, 2011, 08:35 PM | #5 | |
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October 20th, 2011, 07:10 AM | #6 |
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Name: Steve
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TBH i've never had a problem warming up the tires to full temp in one lap, and even without warmers race tires will last half a season before starting to degrade a whole lot. Might save you a good chunk of change if you don't really need them.
Of course it helps that the air temp is usually 90+ degrees and the track is closer to 110 where we race... |
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October 20th, 2011, 10:16 AM | #7 |
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Biketek
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October 23rd, 2011, 07:43 PM | #8 |
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Biketek is the best deal mjmotogear makes some too which is used by myself and feellikeapro
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October 24th, 2011, 12:43 PM | #9 | |
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I use them on my Supermoto bike as well. I can go out and ride hard instead of spending a lap skating around waiting for tires to warm up. Don't really need them in hot weather. |
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October 24th, 2011, 07:28 PM | #10 |
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Thanks everyone for all the help. I ended up buying a set of the biketek 250gp warmers and they were a lot cheaper than any other warmers i had seen. Ive never used warmers before so im eager to find out if there is a really noticable difference with the tires being hotter.
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December 29th, 2011, 03:41 PM | #11 | |
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How are these warmers? Have you used them?
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January 3rd, 2012, 05:47 PM | #12 |
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January 3rd, 2012, 05:51 PM | #13 |
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I bought the exact same warmers 2 or 3 yrs ago and the front's really tight/short. The back is right on the money.
Now, here's what I noticed...cold patches/spots. Takes forever for the tires to warm up. For the money, they're a great buy (I think I paid like $150 for the set) but I'd paid up to $200 for some used Woodcraft tire warmers next time around. That is if you could find a such a great deal...and I do believe I can...heehee. |
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February 2nd, 2012, 09:26 PM | #14 |
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How much was your chicken hawks? Do they come in the standard warmer or all 3 options like the others?
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February 3rd, 2012, 12:22 PM | #15 |
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I think they come in all 3 options. I got the pole position (3 temp) warmers and they have been great. Don't remember the price but they were not cheap.
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February 3rd, 2012, 02:00 PM | #16 | |
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I only bought these cause I didn't want to spend $400 plus just to watch them fail after one full season which I have seen many racers experience. I real shame IMHO. Especially the digital ones from Chicken Hawk costing $750. |
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February 3rd, 2012, 02:06 PM | #17 |
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Yeah, you really do get what you pay for. For my 600 I have the chickhawk pole position ones and OMGosh those things are the shizzle! 3 different settings (low, med, hot) and I just leave them on the lowest setting then adjust them to hot 10 minutes before race or track time.
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February 3rd, 2012, 02:56 PM | #18 | |
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February 4th, 2012, 09:28 PM | #19 |
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Thanks for all the input. I'll let you all know what I get and how they work.
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February 4th, 2012, 11:56 PM | #20 |
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Don't buy Chinese crap. LOok up the wera x forums, see what people have to say about the cheaper ones out there. Don't mke a mistake and waste your money.
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April 20th, 2012, 02:50 PM | #21 |
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Check the max temp on any set of Warner's you buy. A 250 can't generated or maintain more than 135 degrees during riding. The bike just isn't powerful enough to get the friction rates up.
Many Warner's bring the tire temp up to around 180 degrees. That means you will either go out with high tire pressures or come off with low pressure as the tires cool down to 135 degrees. At Vegas we could only run our Chickenhawk Warner's for about 30 minutes before the temp and tire pressure started to get too high. We will now be investing in an adjustable set to get the temps right. Remember tire temps don't just affect grip, tire pressure also varies as the tires heat up and cool down. |
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April 20th, 2012, 02:56 PM | #22 |
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I agree with all but the 135 degree part.
I've gone out on a tire I pulled off of warmers set at 135 degrees & came in with a tire that was considerably hotter than when I went out |
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April 20th, 2012, 03:02 PM | #23 |
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The 135 was the temP that Pirelli gave us. It was backed up by Brandon Kye on the track. He set multiple track records at Vegas and his tires clocked in at a consistant 135 degrees core temp all day.
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April 20th, 2012, 03:19 PM | #24 |
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Name: Steve
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haha its forecast to be around 100 this weekend at CVMA. Looks like half a warmup lap will get the tires up to temp!
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April 26th, 2012, 07:14 PM | #25 |
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i save money time and energy i just pit in the direct sunlight and ride like a maniac on my first lap works 50% of the time all the time
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