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What it comes down to is that while politics is always going to be somewhat intertwined with the oil industry, the larger truth is that virtually all political leaders and wannabe leaders don't have the foggiest clue about how the industry actually works, how the economics of it function, are even foggier still on how to affect those economics in a way that would be politically beneficial for them or their constituents. It's not a right/left thing, it's a "use whatever ammo you can make up, regardless of how silly it makes a politician sound, as nobody understands the facts anyway" to attack those whose power you want to obtain. I think some good background reading on all of this was linked in Trixter's post above, Quote:
But to stoke the right vs. left vs. everybody else fires just a wee bit, it is comical to watch the clips of the Fox talking heads describing in detail why the president of the US and/or just about any politician is not responsible for and has little control over oil and gas pricing. It's just that you have to go back to 2008 for them. (if one doesn't have 5+ minutes, just watch from 4:45 onwards, it sums it up just fine)
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March 11th, 2012, 01:18 PM | #322 |
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I think all political parties can agree: gas prices are too high.
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Well, I suppose I should have stated that I skimmed his post as opposed to a thorough read in that opening sentence. Though I did mention it towards the end of my post. Now who isn't reading what they respond to? I'm not sure that it needed fixing, being that I already pointed out in that very sentence that the right was in no way not guilty of doing the same, but thanks just the same. I may not have been clear enough in the fact that, IMO, the left seems even worse than the right about accepting responsibility for erroneous claims that are proven false. Quote:
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With regards to Fox, I don't care, simply because as I already stated, I don't trust any of the major news outlets, as they are all out to make a profit and pander to their respective target audiences. And as I already pointed out, I generally go to cnn.com first if I am specifically looking for news information at any given moment. I have already said Fox supports the right, just as MSNBC is obviously liberal. I don't really have a problem with either, as I have also already stated, they are entertainment with viewpoints built in to make the core audience happy. CSPAN is the best for straight forward information, assuming one can understand it. Quote:
My greatest irritation was simply that you quoted me specifically when my only intention was to point out that I was still somewhat lucky since premium is just now at an even $4 a gallon here. I then made a quick comment specifically regarding gas prices and the media, nothing more and nothing less. When Bush was in office it was a federal case; yet gas prices are getting worse by the day, the world economy is uncertain, our economy is barely picking up steam, and high gas prices could destroy the recovery we are experiencing. Yet the Obama Administration has no plans in place to help alleviate the burden to lower class Americans that these gas prices are responsible for. The administration has said they are fine with the price and wouldn't mind it going higher. Again, I was merely pointing out hypocrisy in the media. The right does it all the time too, just so we are clear on that. Thank you for your information on nuclear reactors that use thorium as fuel. I was unaware of the technology. I have long been a fan of nuclear as a power source, and thorium seems to make it an even better choice than I already though it was, with none of the potential long-term drawbacks.
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March 11th, 2012, 05:53 PM | #328 |
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Sure, they could, but how likely would even the most diligent constitutional scholar believe that in an election season in 2012, the Federal Highway System of 1956 would suddenly be determined to be unconstitutional, and therefore taxes related to it would be as well?
I don't see how a rational person believes this to be a reasonable possibility, regardless of any logic in the text. If a temporary gas tax holiday were ever to come to pass, it wouldn't be on constitutional grounds. But more to the point, even wiping that gas tax off the top for a period of time wouldn't directly translate into an equivalent price cut at the pump. The pricing would again, and always be driven by demand and the price per barrel, and would quickly revert to a balance point to take into account the lower taxes. The transfer of dollars wouldn't be to consumers, it would be to oil companies, while putting more of a strain on the already inadequate infrastructure funds.
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March 11th, 2012, 06:17 PM | #329 |
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As far as Fox goes, if there is evidence proving they are outright lying about some (or even the majority) of their reporting, then I was unaware because I, again, don't actually watch Fox news. I have barely gone to their website. I will not argue with evidence that shows they are lying, I was never trying to and I thought I made it very clear with the "IMO" that based solely on what little I have been exposed to Fox as a news outlight, that my experience was that they often omitted a lot of data, but I personally never saw any stories based on outright lies. Quote:
Corn ethanol is a damn nightmare and needs to be executed. Algae diesel is promising tech, as is pretty much any form of bio-diesel. I think the general public still has remnants of the horrible diesels of years ago and aren't ready to warm up to diesel at the mainstream level. Electric, as battery tech improves, is certainly worth watching. I'll admit, I prefer my engines IC and in different shapes, sizes, and sounds. However, being able to rock the hell out of a sportbike without worrying about noise pollution would be amazing; dirtbikes could make a serious comeback because one of the largest complaints against them in areas where would be tracks or trails are or could be is the noise pollution. Tesla has proven performance can be built into a vehicle. To a lesser extent, Zero and MotoCzysz have proven some nice performance as well. Buy-in expense of the tech simply continues to be too great to allow the gas savings to offset the cost at the moment. With regards to short-term economic stability, I don't have a problem with export tariffs to artificially inflate supply to reduce demand. It doesn't solve all problems, and we certainly won't be seeing $2/gallon gas again, but it should keep the economy from grinding to a halt.
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March 12th, 2012, 01:04 AM | #333 |
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Just proves that the main stream media is biased and is their anyone out there really that does not believe that?
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March 12th, 2012, 03:48 AM | #334 |
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Woah, I wish gas was as cheap as 3-4 dollars a gallon here in Canada, I can't remember when the last time price gas was less than USD $5.00 a gallon here..
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March 12th, 2012, 05:53 AM | #335 |
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Don't complain, I was talking to my dad in the UK yesterday, gas is equivalent to $8 / gallon there!!
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March 12th, 2012, 08:43 PM | #336 |
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Yeah, and I'm whining about the $3.75 that just posted at a local station....
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Most people in Somalia can't afford .50 /gallon gas. Percentage cost of income compared to other "mandatory" costs such as food, housing, and healthcare is more meaningful. Also, as the only large industrialized nation withou a meaningful public transportation infrastructure gasoline purchase is for all intents and purposes a mandatory expenditure here.
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March 13th, 2012, 09:30 AM | #338 |
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Dang, it's about $3.85 where I live currently. That's the cheapest I can find, at least. It's up to $4.00 at some places though
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Sorry that had to be said. Moving on, as I love to see a liquid fluoride thorium reactor made in states, it just wont happen unless some entrepreneurs is willing to prove it today. Yes, the US did make a working example but old dogs on the NRC dont think that way. Here are some much more detailed videos about the subject compared to the TED talk. You have to click the internal hyperlink to go to the full hour talk.
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Watched the video, cements my affinity for thorium as a power source even more. Sadly, as has been stated in the video, the entrenched uranium fission industry has no interest for many reasons, including a loss of profitability since thorium is so, so, so much less expensive.
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March 16th, 2012, 09:12 PM | #343 |
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It doesn't have to reduce global demand for gasoline. The more butt-miles that are moved in this country using energy other than imported fossil fuels the less effect it has on this country when the phuckistans go after each other over who's tent is bigger...
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we will be stuck using gas until oil companies figure out a way to profit massively from something else...
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oil is big business, they wont let anyone touch their bottom line.
Call me crazy, but thats just what I think.
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just read in the paper yesterday that Illinois topped it's record as of this week ><
our kids will be driving electric cars. the way I see it, Chevy just went balls out and made an electric car with a gas reserve, which ended up costing over 40 grand before tax cuts. Why can't GM just build a car like the Leaf and sell it for roughly $5k less than the Volt? edit: totally forgot about the Spark which comes out this summer. not too sure about it. I think Ford's Focus Electric looks really well but it costs 40K?!
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I just paid $3.32 this afternoon. It has come down almost 30 cents in the last few weeks. Does anyone think it will get to where it was during the election in 2008?
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3.08 here for e10 (87), ethanol-free is 3.20
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