May 18th, 2011, 01:19 PM | #1 |
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Scammed out of $10,000 by a Malaysia Ninja 250R guy
Well, this really sucks. Somebody named Hudi Nurhadi (not sure if thats his real name) scammed me out of a ton of Dynojet Stage 2 kits for the Ninja 250s. He used an address in Kealakekua, Hawaii to receive the parts. I'm assuming they were then sent to Malaysia. I have to pay for all of this out of my pocket. If anyone has any info, please PM me. I already have the police involved. The thief's email address is rimaababil@aol.com.
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May 18th, 2011, 01:34 PM | #2 |
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I can't help in any way, unfortunately, but I am truly sorry to hear this, Richard.
Good luck with the investigation.
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May 18th, 2011, 01:35 PM | #3 |
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That sucks for sure. Why would you send them to someone without money upfront ? I don't trust anyone and I don't think I would have done that.
I hope everything works out for you. |
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May 18th, 2011, 01:40 PM | #4 |
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Damn, that sucks. My dad is a financial crimes detective and I hear so many stories like this from him. Being an international crime, my limited knowledge is useless.
I hope things work out in your favor. |
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May 18th, 2011, 02:40 PM | #5 |
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That's sucks Richard!!
Fuggin' thieves/crooks/scammers/etc. >.< |
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May 18th, 2011, 02:49 PM | #7 |
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Yeah, I did see that, but I doubt any of these 3 names are real.
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May 18th, 2011, 03:33 PM | #8 |
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Wow...Sorry you have to go through this.
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May 18th, 2011, 03:49 PM | #9 |
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Sorry to hear this See if you can look at the headers in the emails you received from him. Sometimes they put the IP address of where the email was sent from by using a DNS lookup. Its not fool proof because it can be spoof but it is worth a try. My buddy was on a Internet dating site and meet a "girl" but her story sounded fishy. ( She said she bowled a 299 ). We looked up the IP address in the headers, and what do you know, it came from Nigeria!
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May 18th, 2011, 04:11 PM | #10 |
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Good idea. Does any of this mean anything to anyone?
From: rimaababil@aol.com Subject: order AB-1177 Date: April 4, 2011 4:21:18 PM PDT To: Richard <richard@racebikerentals.com> Return-Path: <rimaababil@aol.com> Received: from imr-ma03.mx.aol.com [64.12.206.41] by mail66.safesecureweb.com with SMTP; Mon, 4 Apr 2011 19:21:23 -0400 Received: from mtaomg-db01.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtaomg-db01.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.51.199]) by imr-ma03.mx.aol.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id p34NLJGf011245 for <richard@racebikerentals.com>; Mon, 4 Apr 2011 19:21:19 -0400 Received: from core-dga001b.r1000.mail.aol.com (core-dga001.r1000.mail.aol.com [172.29.229.1]) by mtaomg-db01.r1000.mx.aol.com (OMAG/Core Interface) with ESMTP id E23ACE000081 for <richard@racebikerentals.com>; Mon, 4 Apr 2011 19:21:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 202.152.201.188 by angweb-usd022.sysops.aol.com (205.188.103.66) with HTTP (WebMailUI); Mon, 04 Apr 2011 19:21:18 -0400 X-Mb-Message-Source: WebUI X-Aol-Ip: 202.152.201.188 X-Mb-Message-Type: User Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--------MB_8CDC13622DA1E20_16DC_4CADC_angweb-usd022.sysops.aol.com" X-Mailer: AOL Webmail 33490-STANDARD Message-Id: <8CDC13622D7BCBE-16DC-2997C@angweb-usd022.sysops.aol.com> X-Originating-Ip: [202.152.201.188] X-Aol-Global-Disposition: G X-Aol-Scoll-Score: 0:2:351603104:93952408 X-Aol-Scoll-Url_Count: 0 X-Aol-Sid: 3039ac1d33c74d9a526e3d89 X-Smartermail-Spam: SpamAssassin 0 [raw: 0], SPF_Pass, DK_None X-Smartermail-Totalspamweight: 0 |
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May 18th, 2011, 04:17 PM | #11 |
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Have you been in contact with AOL?
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May 18th, 2011, 04:17 PM | #12 |
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I used a quick online tool and this is what I got:
From: rimaababil@aol.com Subject: order AB-1177 Date: April 4, 2011 4:21:18 PM PDT To: Richard <richard@racebikerentals.com> Return-Path: <rimaababil@aol.com> Received: from imr-ma03.mx.aol.com [64.12.206.41] by mail66.safesecureweb.com with SMTP; Mon, 4 Apr 2011 19:21:23 -0400 Received: from mtaomg-db01.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtaomg-db01.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.51.199]) by imr-ma03.mx.aol.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id p34NLJGf011245 for <richard@racebikerentals.com>; Mon, 4 Apr 2011 19:21:19 -0400 Received: from core-dga001b.r1000.mail.aol.com (core-dga001.r1000.mail.aol.com [172.29.229.1]) by mtaomg-db01.r1000.mx.aol.com (OMAG/Core Interface) with ESMTP id E23ACE000081 for <richard@racebikerentals.com>; Mon, 4 Apr 2011 19:21:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 202.152.201.188 by angweb-usd022.sysops.aol.com (205.188.103.66) with HTTP (WebMailUI); Mon, 04 Apr 2011 19:21:18 -0400 X-Mb-Message-Source: WebUI X-Aol-Ip: 202.152.201.188 X-Mb-Message-Type: User Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=\"--------MB_8CDC13622DA1E20_16DC_4CADC_angweb-usd022.sysops.aol.com\" X-Mailer: AOL Webmail 33490-STANDARD Message-Id: <8CDC13622D7BCBE-16DC-2997C@angweb-usd022.sysops.aol.com> X-Originating-Ip: [202.152.201.188] X-Aol-Global-Disposition: G X-Aol-Scoll-Score: 0:2:351603104:93952408 X-Aol-Scoll-Url_Count: 0 X-Aol-Sid: 3039ac1d33c74d9a526e3d89 X-Smartermail-Spam: SpamAssassin 0 [raw: 0], SPF_Pass, DK_None X-Smartermail-Totalspamweight: 0 Source: The source host name is "sbyv9-202.152.201.188.btel.net.id" and the source IP address is 202.152.201.188. Geo-Location Information Country Indonesia State/Region 08 City Surabaya Latitude -7.2492 Longitude 112.7508 Area Code Geo-Location Map Map data ©2011 Tele Atlas - Terms of Use 20 mi50 km Map Satellite Hybrid Whois: The IP address 202.152.201.188 appears to have been assigned by the Asia Pacific Network Information Centre (APNIC). APNIC is the Regional Internet Registry (RIR) for the Asia/Pacific region. For details, see the additional information about IP address 202.152.201.188 at APNIC. |
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May 18th, 2011, 04:19 PM | #13 |
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Damn, I hate thieves!
Email came from Jakarta, Indonesia. |
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May 18th, 2011, 04:20 PM | #14 |
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But I am willing to bet that is an IP of some cafe or the mail server it came from.
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May 18th, 2011, 04:26 PM | #15 |
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That is probably the IP of an internet cafe, as stated above. It's extremely common for these types of scammers to use cafes as their source of internet.
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May 18th, 2011, 04:59 PM | #16 |
So, where's the reverse?
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That sucks. How did you send the money?
The ISP of that ip address is Bakrie Telecom. You can send them spam and abuse reports if you want to at abuse@btel.net.id and see if that gets you anywhere. Best of luck. |
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May 18th, 2011, 05:39 PM | #17 |
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Were you shipping product, or were you the purchaser?
I dont know how long ago all this happened, but if you were shipping product, contact the shipper first, then contact the US customs service, and report a stolen shipment leaving the US, and provide the shipping company information, and all other information. If you were the purchaser....I dont know why in the universe you would put $10,000 out there with no accountability. No offense, but you were asking to be scammed if you didnt us an accountable payment method. |
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May 18th, 2011, 05:54 PM | #18 | |
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To the OP- Have the parts reached the scammer? If not, maybe contacting someone in the shipping chain could stop delivery and get them back to you asap. |
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May 18th, 2011, 06:10 PM | #19 |
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I would take th ip adress then time of day sent and figur if it was a cafe them time it and hope that shop has cameras or a sign in sheet forthat day.
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May 18th, 2011, 06:15 PM | #20 |
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Richard,
You have got to be kidding me. I remember you mentioning something about selling DJ kits to someone overseas during dinner, but I think you also mentioned you did a test transaction first, correct? |
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May 19th, 2011, 03:05 AM | #21 |
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What happened, exactly? Did you ship without payment and then he dropped off the face of the Earth? This is very unfortunate. If they were shipped to an address in HI, hopefully they can find out who picked it up there (him or his courier) and follow the chain.
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May 20th, 2011, 09:05 AM | #22 |
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May 20th, 2011, 09:29 AM | #23 |
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OK, so you shipped a ton of jet kits to "person A"....who re-packaged and shipped to a new location. correct??
Your dispute is the check bounced..so to speak or the payment was never made?? This kind of overseas issue sucks. You think your dealing with someone in America and the evidence in now in another country?? How do you know if your dealing with someone who is on the level in these kind of transactions??
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May 20th, 2011, 10:22 AM | #24 |
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Work the problem from the other end...
That's a lot of kits, hundreds? Somebody's got to be reselling them, maybe some folks here that live there can start looking for a new supplier that suddenly popped up with cheap kits? |
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May 20th, 2011, 10:36 AM | #25 |
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This is why they should serial number every part made....so we can track down these rats wherever they might hide.
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May 20th, 2011, 02:45 PM | #26 |
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If they ended up in indonesia. I have some connections there. The $10k worth of kits should have been a red flag. They could have purchased straight from dyojet for cheaper if they were legit.
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May 20th, 2011, 03:44 PM | #27 | |
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May 20th, 2011, 04:00 PM | #28 |
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Richard,
How did the scam work? Are you saying you shipped them without first receiving payment? OR did he send a forged cashier's check or something? |
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May 20th, 2011, 05:46 PM | #29 |
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May 21st, 2011, 09:01 AM | #30 |
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Joseph and Andre, thank you for the email sleuthing. That really helps!
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May 21st, 2011, 09:02 AM | #31 |
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Good memory, Kelly. You are right... he placed a couple small orders to establish credibility, then WHAM.
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May 21st, 2011, 09:10 AM | #32 |
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This guy ordered parts off of my store website, HotMotoStore.com. He used stolen credit cards, but told me the cards were family member cards. He had all the items shipped to an address in Hawaii. So, either he is there in Hawaii (doubtful), or somebody there is cooperating and receiving the stolen items.
It takes about 45-60 days for all this stuff to flush out. First, someone sees the charges on their CC statement. Then, they call their bank, who starts an investigation. Then, it gets to my merchant processor, then to me. People always think its the bank that eats this stuff, but not true. The merchant (me) gets left paying everything, plus a lot of fees. For a small store like me, this wipes out all my profit for a long, long time. I make something like an average of $20 profit per order, so you can imagine how long. I've made a police report, and eventually the HI cops will be at Kona Joe Coffee on the Big Island, looking for someone to take for a ride. I can only hope! I'm not posting this to whine or complain.... I'm sucking it and taking it like a man. I just want the word out in the 250R community so hopefully the nice Indonesian guy will spend some time looking over his shoulder, or better yet, somebody will be prosecuted and this will spare another merchant in the future. Remember, peeps, merchants in this community are usually small mom and pop operations who rely on your honesty and integrity to stay alive! Thanks, everyone for your support and words. Please let me know if you hear of anything. |
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May 21st, 2011, 12:19 PM | #33 |
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Bummed the hear about this. i live on the big island and kealakekua is short drive away from me. i can go check out the so called address he gave you.
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May 21st, 2011, 01:31 PM | #34 |
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That really sucks. I cant imagine why anyone would want that many jet kits. I mean, a legitimate user is going to need maybe one or two. Maybe you need to put a $1000 cap on credit card purchases. At least that way they wont burn you too bad if it happens again.
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May 22nd, 2011, 08:28 PM | #35 |
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Sorry to hear about it Richard. You are right the banks eat nothing, the merchant takes it in the end (pardon the pun). Hopefully something flushes out.
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May 22nd, 2011, 09:04 PM | #36 |
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You seriously can't imagine? OK, how's this: Why did RaceBikeRentals have so many available? Because he's a dealer! What is the theif likely doing with them? Dealing them! Why might someone in another country legitimately want them? Probably so that he, too, can be a dealer in his country. Imagination is a powerful tool.
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Why steal a specialized item that has a very tight market? I assume that greed is the motivating force here. Why not steal something that is a better seller and easier to get rid of? But based on what you said, it sounds like the thief must be another dealer. That takes the suspect list down from a few billion to a few hundred. I would keep an eye on ebay and craigs list for sure. The cops certainly aren't going to. A friend was burglarized and a few weeks later found his stuff advertised on Craigs list. The cops got the guy, but only after I took the listing down there and shoved it in their face. Like someone else said, you should check with AOL. The thief may have used a legitimate credit card to subscribe. |
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May 23rd, 2011, 06:16 AM | #38 |
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Damn Richard, sorry to read this. Hope you catch the person or persons involved.
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May 23rd, 2011, 06:27 AM | #39 | |
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No offense, but if you see an easy target, you phish it and see if it bites. If it does, why not take it. I doubt he's a professional dealer. Professional dealers have a lot to lose. That's not to say dealers won't buy stuff from shady people, but doing that allows them some deniability. |
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May 23rd, 2011, 09:36 AM | #40 |
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Not only that, Malaysia has a HUGE 250R market for the same reasons as Indonesia.
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