2 65W bulbs in Ninja - Change fuse to 15A and be ok?

passive101 · July 23rd, 2013, 02:36 PM

Lots of crap bulbs that are the same 55W don't help, however I found these that others like in the riding and driving communities. There is only 10W difference between the bulbs, but they give a huge light increase.

Standard OEM H7 : 55w, 1400 lumen, 3200K, 300 - 450 hours

Osram Rallye H7+ : 65w, 2100 lumen, 3200K, 300 - 400 hours (really H9)

Same life as an actual H9 without having to use one with a shoter life span and still a huge jump in lumens. It looks like others in cars and motorcycles can run these without issues. Has anyone run these in the Ninja yet?

I see my bike has a 10A fuse for the headlights, but I'd need a 15A fuse to cover the lights. How could I safely go about using these?

http://store.candlepower.com/osraulhiouh7.html

There is also this to keep the heat away from the headlights themselves a bit, but I'm wondering if I would damage other things on the bike? http://www.buyheadlightbulbs.com/H7-...p/cir-9103.htm

Alex · July 23rd, 2013, 03:00 PM

It's not just the fuse, it's all of the wiring from the alternator/generator & battery all the way to the headlight socket. None of the electrical systems on these budget bikes are built with much additional overhead, so I'd be wary about overloading any of the wiring that was spec'd for a 55 watt bulb.

Motofool · July 23rd, 2013, 03:06 PM

.........and switches and contacts.

That will be 18% more Amps flowing through those things (5.4 A / 4.6 A).

passive101 · July 23rd, 2013, 03:08 PM

There is to much of a chance of me damaging things on a bike that I do not want to risk damaging. I've cancelled the orders I put in for the parts

Motofool · July 23rd, 2013, 03:10 PM

Welcome to our site, Ryan !!!

passive101 · July 23rd, 2013, 03:11 PM

Thanks

I'm working on the intro now. I made a post right away, because I was second guessing what I had planned.

mikecronis · July 25th, 2013, 03:31 PM

I've used the 65W replacement bulb since 2008. No problems yet. Just FYI.

passive101 · July 25th, 2013, 03:33 PM

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Originally Posted by mikecronis

I've used the 65W replacement bulb since 2008. No problems yet. Just FYI.

Are you running 1 of them or 2 of them? How are you being able to run them without popping the 10A fuse?

I've been emailing Kenny at Candlepower Inc about the order since I have the bulbs now, but he was thinking it would break the 10A fuse.

Kenny sent me this earlier for the 65W bulbs
5.3 amps at 13.2 volts

5.3x2 would be 10.6A Would that not be to much for the fuse?

I'm told putting in a 15A fuse would allow the wires to get to hot and possible melting. If I'm wrong that would be great if it can take a bit more!

mikecronis · July 25th, 2013, 03:42 PM

I rarely use the high-beams so, one most of the time. I've ridden a few hours with both on once with no problems. Never shorted anything out. Mine's a 2008. I never changed the other bulb though, so whatever that's putting out, so there you go.

passive101 · July 25th, 2013, 03:47 PM

Would it blow the fuse if you tried starting your bike with both bulbs on? I don't know enough about how the lighting and revs work to know when it will use the most amount of power, but don't want to be stuck somewhere with no headlights.

If it's so close, maybe I could just change the primary bulb to the 65W, run a 55W for the bright.

If it works good, I'm surprised that more people here don't run them as it would give a lot more light out of the primary light.

mikecronis · July 25th, 2013, 04:59 PM

Not sure why not. I do with no problems. I've started with the high-beams on a few times with no problem. During crank, the bulbs are turned-off anyway. I'm using a Sylvania Silverstar 65W for the low-beam and the stock bulb for the high beam.

passive101 · July 25th, 2013, 05:52 PM

I switched the low beam out and it's working with no ill effect. I was able to start up with the brights on as well and no issues. This 65W is much brighter then the 55W that was in there

I left the regular 55W as the high beam as that one isn't used as often and this way I'd have more light all the time.

I'm happy with my current bulbs now, but where did you find a Silverstar 65W that fits your bike?

ETA I'm running on the 10A fuse, I didn't up it to 15A

mikecronis · July 25th, 2013, 06:03 PM

https://www.sylvania.com/en-us/appli...el=732&make=47

Easy. Got it at AutoZone. They had several.

passive101 · July 25th, 2013, 06:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mikecronis

https://www.sylvania.com/en-us/appli...el=732&make=47

Easy. Got it at AutoZone. They had several.

All of those should be 55W and not 65W that are listed.

I just got back from a ride. WOW! does this bulb make a huge difference! I wish I could run 2 of them so badly. There is no extra glare at all like with a gheto rigged HID kit or anything like that. Just more light right where it's supposed to be. I just don't know if I want the brighter bulb for the Hi beam or the low beam now. Right now I have it as the low beam since I can take advantage of the extra light all the time.

passive101 · July 27th, 2013, 09:50 PM

I rode with both beams on for several hours today without any problems

It doesn't seem to use more then the 10A fuse is capable of delivering safely.

beninja · July 29th, 2013, 12:51 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by passive101

I rode with both beams on for several hours today without any problems

It doesn't seem to use more then the 10A fuse is capable of delivering safely.

You should keep us updated, I would love to run brighter lights.

passive101 · July 29th, 2013, 12:57 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by beninja

You should keep us updated, I would love to run brighter lights.

I most certainly will. I found out about these while researching HIR bulbs (which they never made for H7 or H9). If it's nice tomorrow I'm going to be getting the bike out again and cruising around.

700 more lumens isn't hid, but it certainly brightens up the road a heck of a lot better then running H7's which are only around 100 lumens brighter with very short bulb life.

mikecronis · July 29th, 2013, 07:14 PM

Be advised the Silverstar lifespan is about half that of a regular motorcycle halogen bulb, but yeah, it works excellent and gives a non-colored view with no extra blues or yellows. I've used a PIAA HyperWhite before and the Silverstars are still the way to go.

passive101 · July 29th, 2013, 08:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mikecronis

Be advised the Silverstar lifespan is about half that of a regular motorcycle halogen bulb, but yeah, it works excellent and gives a non-colored view with no extra blues or yellows. I've used a PIAA HyperWhite before and the Silverstars are still the way to go.

Neither of these compare to H9 bulbs. They shorten the filament to have them burn brighter at the cost of lower life in the "brighter" bulbs. In general they make little to no difference in the real world with only an additional 100 lumens or so. Add that with their very short life spans and you are way over paying for a light.

PIAA HyperWhite and Silverstars are only around 1600 lumens with very short life spans around 100-150 hrs only

Osram Rallye H7+ : 65w, 2100 lumen, 3200K, 300 - 400 hours (really H9)

This is 700 Lumens more then any 55W bulb can provide short of HIR (which isn't made in H7)

The difference between the bulbs isn't simply "you can kind of tell a difference" or "the color is more white". These bulbs are 190% brighter with full long life and 100% clear, no blue, purple, gold, BS coloring added to them. Just simply more power and more lumens

You're actually running an H9 and not an H7 bulb.

passive101 · July 31st, 2013, 10:50 AM

Update - Amperage should be about the following after talking more with Kenny at CandlePower Inc

Standard Amperage 4.85 @ 12.8V
Rallye Amperage 5.07 @ 12.8V

Conclusion - Running 1 Osram Rallye H7+ is safe for the stock wiring harness with a bonus of 700 lumens

July 23rd, 2013, 02:36 PM	#1
passive101 ninjette.org member Name: Ryan Location: Wisconsin Join Date: Jul 2013 Motorcycle(s): 2009 Ninja 250 Posts: 55	2 65W bulbs in Ninja - Change fuse to 15A and be ok? Lots of crap bulbs that are the same 55W don't help, however I found these that others like in the riding and driving communities. There is only 10W difference between the bulbs, but they give a huge light increase. Standard OEM H7 : 55w, 1400 lumen, 3200K, 300 - 450 hours Osram Rallye H7+ : 65w, 2100 lumen, 3200K, 300 - 400 hours (really H9) Same life as an actual H9 without having to use one with a shoter life span and still a huge jump in lumens. It looks like others in cars and motorcycles can run these without issues. Has anyone run these in the Ninja yet? I see my bike has a 10A fuse for the headlights, but I'd need a 15A fuse to cover the lights. How could I safely go about using these? http://store.candlepower.com/osraulhiouh7.html There is also this to keep the heat away from the headlights themselves a bit, but I'm wondering if I would damage other things on the bike? http://www.buyheadlightbulbs.com/H7-...p/cir-9103.htm Last futzed with by passive101; July 23rd, 2013 at 04:22 PM.

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passive101 ninjette.org member Name: Ryan Location: Wisconsin Join Date: Jul 2013 Motorcycle(s): 2009 Ninja 250 Posts: 55	There is to much of a chance of me damaging things on a bike that I do not want to risk damaging. I've cancelled the orders I put in for the parts

July 23rd, 2013, 03:11 PM	#6
passive101 ninjette.org member Name: Ryan Location: Wisconsin Join Date: Jul 2013 Motorcycle(s): 2009 Ninja 250 Posts: 55	Thanks I'm working on the intro now. I made a post right away, because I was second guessing what I had planned.

July 25th, 2013, 03:31 PM	#7
mikecronis ninjette.org member Name: Mike Location: Colorado Springs, CO Join Date: Jun 2010 Motorcycle(s): 2008 Kawasaki Ninja 250R-J, 2005 Honda Superhawk VTR1000 Posts: 95	I've used the 65W replacement bulb since 2008. No problems yet. Just FYI.

July 25th, 2013, 03:42 PM	#9
mikecronis ninjette.org member Name: Mike Location: Colorado Springs, CO Join Date: Jun 2010 Motorcycle(s): 2008 Kawasaki Ninja 250R-J, 2005 Honda Superhawk VTR1000 Posts: 95	I rarely use the high-beams so, one most of the time. I've ridden a few hours with both on once with no problems. Never shorted anything out. Mine's a 2008. I never changed the other bulb though, so whatever that's putting out, so there you go.

July 25th, 2013, 03:47 PM	#10
passive101 ninjette.org member Name: Ryan Location: Wisconsin Join Date: Jul 2013 Motorcycle(s): 2009 Ninja 250 Posts: 55	Would it blow the fuse if you tried starting your bike with both bulbs on? I don't know enough about how the lighting and revs work to know when it will use the most amount of power, but don't want to be stuck somewhere with no headlights. If it's so close, maybe I could just change the primary bulb to the 65W, run a 55W for the bright. If it works good, I'm surprised that more people here don't run them as it would give a lot more light out of the primary light.

July 25th, 2013, 04:59 PM	#11
mikecronis ninjette.org member Name: Mike Location: Colorado Springs, CO Join Date: Jun 2010 Motorcycle(s): 2008 Kawasaki Ninja 250R-J, 2005 Honda Superhawk VTR1000 Posts: 95	Not sure why not. I do with no problems. I've started with the high-beams on a few times with no problem. During crank, the bulbs are turned-off anyway. I'm using a Sylvania Silverstar 65W for the low-beam and the stock bulb for the high beam.

July 25th, 2013, 05:52 PM	#12
passive101 ninjette.org member Name: Ryan Location: Wisconsin Join Date: Jul 2013 Motorcycle(s): 2009 Ninja 250 Posts: 55	I switched the low beam out and it's working with no ill effect. I was able to start up with the brights on as well and no issues. This 65W is much brighter then the 55W that was in there I left the regular 55W as the high beam as that one isn't used as often and this way I'd have more light all the time. I'm happy with my current bulbs now, but where did you find a Silverstar 65W that fits your bike? ETA I'm running on the 10A fuse, I didn't up it to 15A

July 25th, 2013, 06:03 PM	#13
mikecronis ninjette.org member Name: Mike Location: Colorado Springs, CO Join Date: Jun 2010 Motorcycle(s): 2008 Kawasaki Ninja 250R-J, 2005 Honda Superhawk VTR1000 Posts: 95	https://www.sylvania.com/en-us/appli...el=732&make=47 Easy. Got it at AutoZone. They had several.

July 27th, 2013, 09:50 PM	#15
passive101 ninjette.org member Name: Ryan Location: Wisconsin Join Date: Jul 2013 Motorcycle(s): 2009 Ninja 250 Posts: 55	I rode with both beams on for several hours today without any problems It doesn't seem to use more then the 10A fuse is capable of delivering safely.

July 29th, 2013, 07:14 PM	#18
mikecronis ninjette.org member Name: Mike Location: Colorado Springs, CO Join Date: Jun 2010 Motorcycle(s): 2008 Kawasaki Ninja 250R-J, 2005 Honda Superhawk VTR1000 Posts: 95	Be advised the Silverstar lifespan is about half that of a regular motorcycle halogen bulb, but yeah, it works excellent and gives a non-colored view with no extra blues or yellows. I've used a PIAA HyperWhite before and the Silverstars are still the way to go.

July 31st, 2013, 10:50 AM	#20
passive101 ninjette.org member Name: Ryan Location: Wisconsin Join Date: Jul 2013 Motorcycle(s): 2009 Ninja 250 Posts: 55	Update - Amperage should be about the following after talking more with Kenny at CandlePower Inc Standard Amperage 4.85 @ 12.8V Rallye Amperage 5.07 @ 12.8V Conclusion - Running 1 Osram Rallye H7+ is safe for the stock wiring harness with a bonus of 700 lumens