August 31st, 2015, 01:20 PM | #1 |
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Name: Mike
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Planned build
Hey guys, just through I'd throw this out there, little history on my riding experience and what I want to put together.
Riding experience: 4+ years Mileage in: < 20,000 miles Bikes owned: 2011 Ninja 250 (sold), 2012 ZX6R (sold), 2011 Ducati Monster 796 (current) Track experience: 0 Riding environment: 80% commuting, 20% Lime Creek Road (Austin hill country), annual promise to self to finally get to the track... So I've been missing my ZX6R ever since I sold it to get the Monster, but I also missed the agility and flickability of the 250. With that in mind, I had been hoping the RC 390 would be the ticket, but after it launched the reviews have said the OEM suspension and brakes are pretty lacking. The Ninja 300's suspension and brakes are in pretty much the same category, but with the Ninja there's a clear and affordable path to upgrade, so with that in mind, this is what I have planned: 2013 Ninja 300 ABS: $3500 Full suspension R&T: $1,200.00 M4 full carbon exhaust: $563.00 Woodcraft rearset: $342.00 Area P tuner: $250.00 BT-003RS tires: $240.00 PSR levers: $200.00 Woodcraft clipons: $170.00 LED integrated rear light: $150.00 OEM solo cowl: $119.00 K&N panel filter: $63.00 DMP fender eliminator: $49.00 Galfer SS front brake line: $45.00 EBC sintered brake pads: $28.00 Progrip dual dentity 838 grips: $18.00 Total: $6937 What I really want is something that handles as smoothly as the ZX6R did, but don't want to feel like I'm using 20% of the throttle 95% of the time like I did on the ZX6R. The 300 with a full suspension setup and full exhaust and tune seems like just the ticket. Yes I know I could pick up a used 2013 ZX6R for about $7k too, but I sold my 2012 because I felt like it was just way too powerful to be useful and because I couldn't get anywhere near the limits of the bike. At least with a 300 built out I think I could comfortably push myself to explore the limits more. Any thoughts, comments, feedback is great. =] |
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August 31st, 2015, 01:25 PM | #2 |
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Name: Chris (aka Reactor)
Location: Northern KY
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Buy a race setup bike with a clean title or salvage title that you can update to "rebuilt" so you can ride on the street. Most of the parts will already be installed and ready to go and it will be cheaper. You can add enough lights to be street legal pretty easy enough.
And just for the record, the street is no place to explore the limits of traction.
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August 31st, 2015, 01:26 PM | #3 |
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August 31st, 2015, 01:30 PM | #4 | |
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Name: Mike
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The small ninja was more fun for me to ride through the hills than the ZX6R was, but the brakes and suspension on the ZX6R are in a whole other universe. Hence the desire to update those on the 300 I plan to buy. I thought about getting a salvage title bike, only problem I have with that is when it comes time to sell it will be worth even less. I know it's not an "investment" in any case, so maybe I'll look at some local bike auctions... good suggestion, thanks. |
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August 31st, 2015, 01:33 PM | #5 | |
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August 31st, 2015, 01:33 PM | #6 |
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Name: Chris (aka Reactor)
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Maybe you can get lucky and find one with a clear title like the one I linked. Either way... best of luck! Gunna be a fun ride for sure.
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August 31st, 2015, 01:38 PM | #7 |
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Thanks, I'm really looking forward to it. I enjoy the Duc, but it's more for the looks and sound than anything. The ZX6R spoiled me with the supreme suspension and brakes, and reliability. I'll be selling the Monster to pay for the 300 build.
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August 31st, 2015, 01:53 PM | #8 |
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Name: Mike
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General question for anyone: How do you feel about ABS on the 300?
Is it worth it to find an ABS equipped model? I don't plan to ride in the rain, and I've heard both sides from professional reviewers from "It lacks ABS" to "I will remove the ABS for track duty". There's a rebuilt 300 for $3000 in my area, it might be an SE based on the fairings but I'm waiting to hear back if it has ABS or not (was ABS standard on the SE?). |
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October 6th, 2015, 08:25 AM | #9 |
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Found my Ninjette, one-owner 5000 miles 2013 SE for $3k! Picking it up tonight, then I'll start putting together the parts for the build. =]
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October 6th, 2015, 09:12 AM | #10 |
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I was going to tell you to get a hold of Team Scream in Round Rock. They have a couple of 300s that fit the bill but since you found one - awesome. Also there are ways to achieve what your looking for at some price reduction on your list - PSR levers for the2wheels and similar.
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October 6th, 2015, 09:14 AM | #11 | |
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I'm lucky, the one I found has a clean title, one owner, in great shape for $3000! I'll be looking closely at most of the parts list before I buy each item, I'm not particularly preferential on most brands. Thanks! |
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October 6th, 2015, 10:43 AM | #12 | |
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The 300 is enough for me and many others here right now, however eventually I wouldn't rule out a 600 for me after a few seasons of track riding. |
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October 6th, 2015, 10:48 AM | #13 | |
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I will ride it for a while before I go all-in for the performance parts, but tires and controls etc. I'll be getting ASAP. I really don't need the power from a 600/636, but I do appreciate everything a sportbike has to offer, so I'll likely want both in the garage by next year. I know from having the 2011 250 and 2012 ZX6R before that I definitely appreciate what both have to offer, and enjoy both. |
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October 6th, 2015, 11:27 AM | #14 |
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A 300 for 3k?? Sweet!! 500 bucks less than planned, Even better!!! Dude plz post pics, i have a feeling imma love this thread..
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October 6th, 2015, 02:18 PM | #15 | |
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The 6R is a lovely bike. It excels at all things sportbike, but really sucks at all things practical in my opinion. Its uncomfortable for me unless riding it hard, uncomfortable for my wife to ride pillion. It wants to be ridden hard and I refuse to ride it hard on the street. That is why you go to the track. My brother Mitch has a Monster 620i and it is really the one bike I would rather have in place of the street 250 and the street 6R. I just don't want to let go of my bikes lol.
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October 6th, 2015, 02:31 PM | #16 | |
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Just bought a Leo Vince carbon fiber exhaust for the Monster today... oops... I am not sure that the pillion is any better on the Monster than on a Ninja, but it is a big more of a realistic seat. Positioning is about the same though, so it might be slightly better for the butt but it won't feel that much different otherwise. I got rid of the 6R because I felt the same way, I never rode at more than 20% of what it was capable of and I felt it was a waste to constantly be holding back, so I went for style and form with the Duc (it's still a nice performer too, and more comfy). What I didn't realize was how much I would miss the amazing precision and control of the 6R, hence the reason I want to try to shape the 300 into something similar. The 300 I'm trying to build I hope will have the kind of control and precision that the 6R had, with the agility and rideability of the 300. I don't need the straightaway power, even at the track, because I'm a beginner at the track anyway. |
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October 6th, 2015, 03:29 PM | #17 |
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I would use the ZX6R for track and 300 for the street, that way you can try to use both to it's full potential.
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October 6th, 2015, 03:31 PM | #18 |
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And I probably will, but not until I'm riding beyond the 300's capabilities. Having 0 track time right now, the 300 is the bike of choice for the track, for me.
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October 7th, 2015, 06:38 AM | #19 |
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I have met very few people that can use a 300 to its full potential on the track (especially with sticky tires and suspension upgrades), trying on the street it just stupid. The reality is I can lap quicker on a 250 than more than half of the I group on 600s/1000s at trackdays, and I am midpack novice race pace. The expert racers on 250s can drop me like a rock. Like most things people overestimate their abilities and underestimate what the bike is capable of.........let alone a modern 600 supersport.
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October 7th, 2015, 09:50 AM | #20 |
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Rode it last night and this morning. Couldn't be happier, I really missed the easy going, agile, playful nature of the small Ninja. The IRCs are pretty bad for me, I slid a bit through a corner last night. I'm used to Bridgestone S20 EVOs for the last few years, ordering a set in stock size today.
Can anyone advise me on clip-ons? I see there are a few options, PSR, Woodcraft with risers, etc., do I need or want risers? What I am looking for is a more aggressive steering setup, I don't mind leaning forward a bit and I'm pretty sure none of the clip-ons will make it as aggressive as my 6R was or even the Monster I have now. Do I need the risers if I'm looking for that more aggressive setup, or is that for people who want to have a less aggressive more upright stance? If that's the case, then the PSRs seem to be the right choice for me. |
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October 7th, 2015, 10:33 AM | #22 |
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October 7th, 2015, 11:51 AM | #23 |
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What do you have in mind for the suspension?
The little Ninjas come with weak fork springs (though the NewGen/300 is least bad). $100 for new springs could help quite a bit, depending on how much you weigh. I like my Ricor Intiminators ($180) but have no track experience. Guys on other forums were comparing them to $1000+ fork upgrades, so I'd say they're at least a good value. There's some question about the rear spring's rate, but the calculators seem to indicate it's too stiff for the average Ninjette rider. Especially with soft fork springs, that could lead to some wonky suspension action. A GSXR shock (<$50) can be made to fit without a ton of work, and offers multiple adjustments. I'm not trying to discourage you from buying the proper parts, but there might be some ways to get most of the improvement, while saving quite a bit of cash. Especially without a ton of experience, top-dollar parts may not really even be noticed over "pretty good" budget upgrades.
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October 7th, 2015, 01:04 PM | #24 | |
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Front includes gold valves, springs, seals , fluid, "polishing" of fork tubes, custom damper rod mods etc., rear consists of parts from a GSXR and ZX6R shock with new bearings, spring, etc., basically rebuilt and refurbished and customized for the 300 and my personal preferences. Not sure the nitty gritty but R&T has done this build plenty of times, they tell me it's been used to win many CMRA races already. |
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October 8th, 2015, 06:29 AM | #25 |
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^^ For $1200 installed at a known shop with experience on your model bike, that's a good deal!! Only thing that would sway me if I were you is cartridge drop-in's vs the racetech emulators since it's going to be a track-only bike.
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October 8th, 2015, 07:01 AM | #26 |
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From everything I have heard, you should be in good hands with R&T. At some point I imagine I will get one of their Frankenshocks for the rear of my track ninjette. I only really go to a shop for things I can't do for lack of tools/equipment but for some that are less than comfortable modifying their own forks, spending the cash to have a reputable shop take care of it can be worth the piece of mind.
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