Speed Bleeders??

kenji_808 · January 3rd, 2011, 08:05 PM

Ive ordered the speed bleeder pn:SB7100S, and attempted to install but it just didn't tighten all the way down. I then compared it to the oem bleeder screw and found out the thread pitch is way off.

Has anyone else encountered this problem?

HKr1 · January 7th, 2011, 06:00 AM

What did you find out on these..... just needed a different P/N?

slolane · January 7th, 2011, 08:14 AM

I just ordered the same P/N: SB7100S (M7 x 1.0), wasn't planning to install until the weather warms up a bit but interested to know if these are correct or not.

Thanks

CThunder-blue · January 7th, 2011, 09:08 AM

I'm just about to order a set as well. Speed Bleeders list that part number as the correct number. Anyone with a parted out bike have a spare caliper they can pull the bleeder from?

CThunder-blue · January 7th, 2011, 09:15 AM

I just went outside and looked at the bleeder and it does look like it would be an M7. My old n/a 3000gt had rear brake calipers that used the same sized bleeder.

wyckedflesh · January 7th, 2011, 11:06 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CThunder-blue

I just went outside and looked at the bleeder and it does look like it would be an M7. My old n/a 3000gt had rear brake calipers that used the same sized bleeder.

The thread pitch is the issue, it might be a M7x1.25 rather then an M7x1.0 as listed on the order. I am having that issue with my ducati, standard banjo bolts are M10x1.25/1.50 but I have M10x1.0 and had to have a set made by Pro Bolt. If I decide to bleed the brakes later today to flush the line, I will pull the bleeder and measure the thread pitch.

CThunder-blue · January 7th, 2011, 11:12 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by wyckedflesh

The thread pitch is the issue, it might be a M7x1.25 rather then an M7x1.0 as listed on the order. I am having that issue with my ducati, standard banjo bolts are M10x1.25/1.50 but I have M10x1.0 and had to have a set made by Pro Bolt. If I decide to bleed the brakes later today to flush the line, I will pull the bleeder and measure the thread pitch.

M7x1.25 would have a super fine thread pitch. Not sure if that's the case. Perhaps the OP just cross-threaded his bleeder?

Deanohh · January 7th, 2011, 11:41 AM

Pitch is distance between crests. 1.25 pitch is coarser than 1.0.

kenji_808 · January 7th, 2011, 12:08 PM

sorry my mistake the thread pitch isnt WAY OFF its a little off

if you look at it the oem thread its coarser, so they may actually be m7x1.25

Also i didnt cross thread it some how suprisingly because i swapped out the speed bleeder with the oem bleeder after i found out it wouldnt tighten, it would screw in all the way the down but would just continue to spin and not tighten. But the oem bleeder screw tighten right back up and i continued on changing my brake fluid

CThunder-blue · January 7th, 2011, 12:27 PM

so the speed bleeders have a finer pitch than the oem?

CThunder-blue · January 7th, 2011, 12:32 PM

is it possible it should be an M8x1.25?

I found this website that has custom bleeders that say they're M8x1.25.

http://www.probolt-usa.com/Products/0001000800490004

GiGs · January 7th, 2011, 09:31 PM

I just bled my brakes (Motul RBF 660

) - traditional method of push the lever and open the bleed screw did NOT work.

Got a syringe and connected it to the 3/16" tubing I had connected to the bleed valve and I was done in 2 minutes....just sayyin' there is no need for a speed bleeder in my opinion. Clear tubing and a $3AU plastic syringe....

rockNroll · January 8th, 2011, 07:43 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GiGs

I just bled my brakes (Motul RBF 660

) - traditional method of push the lever and open the bleed screw did NOT work.

Got a syringe and connected it to the 3/16" tubing I had connected to the bleed valve and I was done in 2 minutes....just sayyin' there is no need for a speed bleeder in my opinion. Clear tubing and a $3AU plastic syringe....

That's a good method for sure. There's no need for a speed bleeders... ever.

headshrink · January 8th, 2011, 01:32 PM

How are they different from regular nipples?

captlombardi · January 10th, 2011, 10:10 AM

Hey guys just wanted to let you know that I had ordered a set of the SB7100S bleeders for my '09 and hadn't opened the package when I stumbled on this thread. I emailed and called speed bleeder and talked to them, they are sending out a set of SB8125L bleeders to me today so I can try both. I will get back to them on which ones work and they will hopefully update their size listing for the 250. I found this thread on another site:

http://www.250r.net/forum/showthread.php?t=625

where a guy says Nissin makes our calipers and not Tokico. This would explain the difference in thread pitch since unfortunately there is no manufacturer logo on our calipers, presumably speedbleeder just figured the 250 had the same as most other kawi bikes.

slolane · January 11th, 2011, 02:27 PM

Thanks captlombardi, looking forward to your results.

wyckedflesh · January 11th, 2011, 11:08 PM

A speed bleeder has a spring loaded ball, so when the pressure against the ball is dropped, it closes the bleeder for you. I use the syringe method when flushing the brake lines, but like speed bleeders when you get a soft lever after the pads start wearing in or you build up air from over heating the fluid.

Zombiphone · January 30th, 2011, 05:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by captlombardi

Hey guys just wanted to let you know that I had ordered a set of the SB7100S bleeders for my '09 and hadn't opened the package when I stumbled on this thread. I emailed and called speed bleeder and talked to them, they are sending out a set of SB8125L bleeders to me today so I can try both. I will get back to them on which ones work and they will hopefully update their size listing for the 250. I found this thread on another site:

http://www.250r.net/forum/showthread.php?t=625

where a guy says Nissin makes our calipers and not Tokico. This would explain the difference in thread pitch since unfortunately there is no manufacturer logo on our calipers, presumably speedbleeder just figured the 250 had the same as most other kawi bikes.

So what ended up happening here? I was thinking of ordering some of these since I was finally going to get around to trading out for stainless steel lines, and they sound convenient, but I don't want to order the wrong size. Searching the internet, it seems like some people are fine with the SB7100S, but I think those are being used on the old gen. Any update?

CThunder-blue · January 31st, 2011, 09:03 AM

Sorry, I won't be able to tell you much. I looked at my pads again this weekend and they still have a lot of life left in them. I won't be changing fluid or pads for a while. Hopefully, one of the other guys got around to do it.

kenji_808 · February 2nd, 2011, 12:49 AM

Alright everyone got some new info on the speedbleeders,

our new gen ninjas went from tokico calipers to nissin calipers(old news) which they both use different size bleeders screws
Tokicos (old gen) used M7x1.0 thread bleeder screws while the nissin (new gen) use M8x1.25

I've contacted speed bleeders about our issue and they have actually ubdated their application charts to note that nissin and tokico bleeder screws are different.

They have great customer service so much so that their sending me the correct size hopefully to be received in the next couple days minus all the snowstorms on the mainland (sorry guys lucky i live hawaii =P)

So as soon as i receive them i'll install them and finally put the speed bleeder issue to rest.

Zombiphone · February 2nd, 2011, 08:41 AM

Awesome, thanks a lot! So then, that would be these one's: http://speedbleeder.zoovy.com/product/SB8125
Right?

kenji_808 · February 14th, 2011, 12:07 AM

hey everyone finally got the correct speed bleeder installed here's the new diy thread i just created for a fast and straight forward reference

http://www.ninjette.org/forums/showt...909#post255909

MacMoto · November 13th, 2012, 08:07 PM

I thought I'd post up on this thread that for the 2012 (which I understand to be correct for the '08-'12) N250, the SpeedBleeder is the SB0125L. I got my two from an eBay vendor (no connection) Kirby's Motorcycle Bleeders. Fast service, good price, and very reasonable shipping. If you order together with a bud or for more than one bike, it gets really reasonable. Best bang for the buck mod in the world.

January 3rd, 2011, 08:05 PM	#1
kenji_808 ninjette.org member Name: Justin Location: Ewa Beach, HI Join Date: Feb 2010 Motorcycle(s): 2009 CT Blue 250R(Sold), 2008 Black & Silver Honda CBR600RR(Current) Posts: 201	Speed Bleeders?? Ive ordered the speed bleeder pn:SB7100S, and attempted to install but it just didn't tighten all the way down. I then compared it to the oem bleeder screw and found out the thread pitch is way off. Has anyone else encountered this problem?

January 8th, 2011, 01:32 PM	#14
headshrink ninjette.org certified postwhore Name: Bob Location: CA Join Date: Dec 2008 Motorcycle(s): '08 Ninja 250r, '14 CBR500r Posts: A lot.	How are they different from regular nipples? __________________________________________________ Honda Interceptor VFR800 DLX (2014, 8th gen) Honda CBR500r (2014) - FOR SALE Kawi Ninja 250r (2008) - Restored and passed-down within family, only to be abandoned

January 10th, 2011, 10:10 AM	#15
captlombardi ninjette.org member Name: Scott Location: KS Join Date: Jan 2010 Motorcycle(s): '09 EX250J, '01 CBR600F4i Posts: 53	testing in progress Hey guys just wanted to let you know that I had ordered a set of the SB7100S bleeders for my '09 and hadn't opened the package when I stumbled on this thread. I emailed and called speed bleeder and talked to them, they are sending out a set of SB8125L bleeders to me today so I can try both. I will get back to them on which ones work and they will hopefully update their size listing for the 250. I found this thread on another site: http://www.250r.net/forum/showthread.php?t=625 where a guy says Nissin makes our calipers and not Tokico. This would explain the difference in thread pitch since unfortunately there is no manufacturer logo on our calipers, presumably speedbleeder just figured the 250 had the same as most other kawi bikes.

January 11th, 2011, 11:08 PM	#17
wyckedflesh ninjette.org guru Name: Mikel Location: Valley of the Sun Join Date: Mar 2009 Motorcycle(s): '09 Blue Kawasaki KLE650 Versys, '95 Ducati 900SS/CR (undergoing track conversion) Posts: 287	A speed bleeder has a spring loaded ball, so when the pressure against the ball is dropped, it closes the bleeder for you. I use the syringe method when flushing the brake lines, but like speed bleeders when you get a soft lever after the pads start wearing in or you build up air from over heating the fluid. __________________________________________________ 2009 KLE650 LSL bars, Full Muzzy PC-V 1995 900SS/CR mildly modified

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CThunder-blue ModMy250.com Name: Tri Location: St, Louis Join Date: Sep 2010 Motorcycle(s): 2009 Ninja 250R, 2005 R6 Posts: A lot.	I just went outside and looked at the bleeder and it does look like it would be an M7. My old n/a 3000gt had rear brake calipers that used the same sized bleeder.

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Deanohh ninjette.org newbie Name: Dean Location: Redmond, Wa Join Date: Dec 2010 Motorcycle(s): Ninja 250, Honda Sabre 1300 Posts: 8	Pitch is distance between crests. 1.25 pitch is coarser than 1.0.

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kenji_808 ninjette.org member Name: Justin Location: Ewa Beach, HI Join Date: Feb 2010 Motorcycle(s): 2009 CT Blue 250R(Sold), 2008 Black & Silver Honda CBR600RR(Current) Posts: 201	sorry my mistake the thread pitch isnt WAY OFF its a little off if you look at it the oem thread its coarser, so they may actually be m7x1.25 Also i didnt cross thread it some how suprisingly because i swapped out the speed bleeder with the oem bleeder after i found out it wouldnt tighten, it would screw in all the way the down but would just continue to spin and not tighten. But the oem bleeder screw tighten right back up and i continued on changing my brake fluid

January 7th, 2011, 12:27 PM	#10
CThunder-blue ModMy250.com Name: Tri Location: St, Louis Join Date: Sep 2010 Motorcycle(s): 2009 Ninja 250R, 2005 R6 Posts: A lot.	so the speed bleeders have a finer pitch than the oem?

January 7th, 2011, 12:32 PM	#11
CThunder-blue ModMy250.com Name: Tri Location: St, Louis Join Date: Sep 2010 Motorcycle(s): 2009 Ninja 250R, 2005 R6 Posts: A lot.	is it possible it should be an M8x1.25? I found this website that has custom bleeders that say they're M8x1.25. http://www.probolt-usa.com/Products/0001000800490004

January 7th, 2011, 09:31 PM	#12
GiGs ninjette.org member Name: Michael Location: Melbourne Join Date: Sep 2010 Motorcycle(s): 2008 Kawasaki Ninja 250r Posts: 139	I just bled my brakes (Motul RBF 660 ) - traditional method of push the lever and open the bleed screw did NOT work. Got a syringe and connected it to the 3/16" tubing I had connected to the bleed valve and I was done in 2 minutes....just sayyin' there is no need for a speed bleeder in my opinion. Clear tubing and a $3AU plastic syringe....

January 11th, 2011, 02:27 PM	#16
slolane Motorcyclist Name: James Location: Maryland Join Date: May 2010 Motorcycle(s): 2014 Ninja 300 ABS Posts: A lot.	Thanks captlombardi, looking forward to your results.

January 31st, 2011, 09:03 AM	#19
CThunder-blue ModMy250.com Name: Tri Location: St, Louis Join Date: Sep 2010 Motorcycle(s): 2009 Ninja 250R, 2005 R6 Posts: A lot.	Sorry, I won't be able to tell you much. I looked at my pads again this weekend and they still have a lot of life left in them. I won't be changing fluid or pads for a while. Hopefully, one of the other guys got around to do it.

February 2nd, 2011, 12:49 AM	#20
kenji_808 ninjette.org member Name: Justin Location: Ewa Beach, HI Join Date: Feb 2010 Motorcycle(s): 2009 CT Blue 250R(Sold), 2008 Black & Silver Honda CBR600RR(Current) Posts: 201	Alright everyone got some new info on the speedbleeders, our new gen ninjas went from tokico calipers to nissin calipers(old news) which they both use different size bleeders screws Tokicos (old gen) used M7x1.0 thread bleeder screws while the nissin (new gen) use M8x1.25 I've contacted speed bleeders about our issue and they have actually ubdated their application charts to note that nissin and tokico bleeder screws are different. They have great customer service so much so that their sending me the correct size hopefully to be received in the next couple days minus all the snowstorms on the mainland (sorry guys lucky i live hawaii =P) So as soon as i receive them i'll install them and finally put the speed bleeder issue to rest.

February 2nd, 2011, 08:41 AM	#21
Zombiphone CVMA/AFM #72 Name: Tiffani Location: Los Angeles, Ca Join Date: Oct 2009 Motorcycle(s): 2009 Ninja 250r (Racebike), 2015 FZ-07(Tourer), 2001 KX65(LOL bike) Posts: A lot.	Awesome, thanks a lot! So then, that would be these one's: http://speedbleeder.zoovy.com/product/SB8125 Right?

February 14th, 2011, 12:07 AM	#22
kenji_808 ninjette.org member Name: Justin Location: Ewa Beach, HI Join Date: Feb 2010 Motorcycle(s): 2009 CT Blue 250R(Sold), 2008 Black & Silver Honda CBR600RR(Current) Posts: 201	hey everyone finally got the correct speed bleeder installed here's the new diy thread i just created for a fast and straight forward reference http://www.ninjette.org/forums/showt...909#post255909

November 13th, 2012, 08:07 PM	#23
MacMoto ninjette.org member Name: Kim Location: Cherryville, NC Join Date: Aug 2012 Motorcycle(s): '12 Ninja 250R Posts: 13	I thought I'd post up on this thread that for the 2012 (which I understand to be correct for the '08-'12) N250, the SpeedBleeder is the SB0125L. I got my two from an eBay vendor (no connection) Kirby's Motorcycle Bleeders. Fast service, good price, and very reasonable shipping. If you order together with a bud or for more than one bike, it gets really reasonable. Best bang for the buck mod in the world.