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Old April 23rd, 2017, 04:10 AM   #121
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Where do you get them? It's apparent you recommend the spacers whether or not you play with the jet needle height.

By the way, I highly recommend Loctite Super Glue "Professional" over Krazy glue Zap-A-Gap etc. Available at Lowes, Home Depot etc.

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From me.....sorry, trade secret Yes, any jet kit needle will dance up/down in the little white needle retainers, the spacers work perfect...mimic the stock needle "nail heads", eliminate any up/down slop... the retainers were originally designed (by Keihin) to secure *stock* needles in place. Next time you have a slide and adjustable jet kit needle in your hands...hold the retainer down, push the needle up....if ANY freeplay...they dance.

In a constant effort to improve my methods, i'm now using axle grease to form and hold the orings in place prior to bowl installation. Heat cycles and pressure will insure the orings form and stay in place....easily removed when required.
Fear not... giant globs of grease are removed....no invasive slop...no migration...clean and neat as always.

Good questions, comments and discussion...thanks for your interest Bill!

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Old April 23rd, 2017, 06:02 AM   #122
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a pretty obscure area to enable "accidental damage"....not like its Grand Central Parkway..what the hell would even bring you in there?

2 1/2 turn is just a starting point, adequate to start/run, pilot screws should further be fine tuned , bike hot...each side for highest idle speed, best throttle response...aka the sweet spot. An EGA (exhaust gas analyzer) would offer optimum results...but simply not practical nor realistic for vast majority of owners. A well tuned (valves adjusted!) 250, once warmed.. should offer re start at touch of the button, effortless rev, drop back (no hang) from RPM to a steady consistent idle....meanwhile deliver great MPG.

Good questions and comments. Thanks for your interest, Bill.
Thanks Gordy. About those needle jet (slide needle) spacers you seem fond of. I guess you'd recommend them - your rationale makes sense. Could you sell me a couple? I don't plan on diddling with needle height unless I need to. I want to see the impact of my larger main jets first.

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Old April 23rd, 2017, 06:39 AM   #123
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That's what I expected. Plus there's probably customs/border brokerage fees etc.
There are no brokerage fees into Canada if you stick to USPS, and I've never had to pay any tax or fee for packages coming into the US. Randomly, Canada does add tax and/or import duty to packages coming in, but not all the time. Unfortunately, with the size of the carbs, the medium flat rate box may be the only reasonable option. Sometimes a plain box (not flat rate) comes out cheaper, depending on weight though.

I ship motorcycle electronic parts to Canada regularly, and a package I sent last week was $23.70, but that box is too small for a pair of carbs.

You can explore all the options on the USPS web site. Sometimes the guys at the local Post Office are not familiar with all of them. Then if you use a 3rd party postage company like Shipping Easy to print the labels instead of the USPS site, you can get a small discount on postage.
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From me.....sorry, trade secret Yes, any jet kit needle will dance up/down in the little white needle retainers, the spacers work perfect...mimic the stock needle "nail heads", eliminate any up/down slop... the retainers were originally designed (by Keihin) to secure *stock* needles in place. Next time you have a slide and adjustable jet kit needle in your hands...hold the retainer down, push the needle up....if ANY freeplay...they dance.

In a constant effort to improve my methods, i'm now using axle grease to form and hold the orings in place prior to bowl installation. Heat cycles and pressure will insure the orings form and stay in place....easily removed when required.
Fear not... giant globs of grease are removed....no invasive slop...no migration...clean and neat as always.

Good questions, comments and discussion...thanks for your interest Bill!

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Grease is a good idea. Sooner or later you probably would have to use acetone and scrape the old cyanoacrylate glue out on the next rebuild.

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Old April 23rd, 2017, 10:44 AM   #125
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^ easy cleanup, non invasive, no long term ramifications, most importantly...effective and does the job!
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Old April 27th, 2017, 03:52 PM   #126
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currently doing these, owner interested in "how bad" hence before pics (I usually forget) to contrast with after (when completed)
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a couple of AFTER pics...any better?
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a couple of AFTER pics...any better?
OK, gig's up. Who is your supplier of new Keihin carburetors?

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Old April 28th, 2017, 07:13 AM   #129
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Old April 29th, 2017, 09:43 AM   #130
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some completed pics....

replaced old with ALL new *tight* vac hoses inside/outside

Seems to be common...the last few sets I've done I've discovered a rash of loose vac hoses (at fittings)....just loose enough to cause minor leakage when warm I think...best to renew at time of refurb.
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To report some new updates with Custom Carb Services:

NEW OPTION...full vacuum hose replacement (4 or 5 depending on series and model) to tighten up those old, loose, failing hoses. The inner decel valve hoses included, of course...$20 flat fee, labor and parts. Does NOT include fuel inlet or vent hoses.

LABOR RATES going up a slight bit.

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WOW! GREAT WORK!

Bolted on the carb put on the tank and started right up. purrs like a kitten. I forgot to choke it and it still started and idled without hesitation. I guess with all the crap I have gone through to get this bike running I am glad I finally got someone who knows carbs and is honest. Paid a local guy $100 to rebuild the carb and he ripped me off.

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WOW! GREAT WORK!

Bolted on the carb put on the tank and started right up. purrs like a kitten. I forgot to choke it and it still started and idled without hesitation. I guess with all the crap I have gone through to get this bike running I am glad I finally got someone who knows carbs and is honest. Paid a local guy $100 to rebuild the carb and he ripped me off.

thank you Gordon. Money well spent.
Guilty on both counts! Glad it worked out. And for you.....yeah, baby, yeah!
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Old July 7th, 2017, 08:49 PM   #134
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Ducatiman has done it again, this time he did my EX500 carbs.

The bike sat for 4 years outside in the elements, add to that they are 26 years old, way overdue for a refurbishment. He did find a issues with them including a bad diaphragm.You can see the slight moisture induced discoloration/corrosion in the pictured bowl, its in the other as well. Unfortunately, 4 years outdoors does take a toll.

Thank you @ducatiman for delivering once again top quality workmanship. They look better new, and will perform the same. You will not get the same level out of a can of Carb cleaner and a toothbrush, not even remotely close.

He has the knowledge, tools, equipment, and most importantly pride in his craft, and it shows.

The before and after pictures speak for themselves, this is why he does my carbs, and why I personally recommend his services without hesitation on the forums.

If anyone is on the fence about sending him yours, you need to just do it, and you'll be glad you did. It's money well spent without a doubt.
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Another shout-out for Gordon's amazing work!!! I bought a derelict 2008 250R that had been sitting around for 2-years and was all gummed up. Here's what carbs looked like when I brought bike home.



I managed to get crispy algae off, but it was still all clogged up everywhere else inside. Bike wouldn't start properly, needed choke full-time to barely idle. Would die as soon as I gave it any throttle.Trying to run engine this way eventually caused it to hydrolock with fuel from leaky floats and break starter-gear. See DIY Starter Gear repair..

So I sent off the carbs to Ducatiman and got them back surprizingly quick!!! Using combination of alien-tech , black-magic, good ol-fashioned expertise and skill, he completely refurbished them. Replaced vacuum hoses and upgrade fasteners to allen-buttonheads which gives them a really modern high-tech look!



Installed them, and bike started right up and idled with no problems!! Crisp throttle-response on road, couldn't be any better!! Highly recommend Gordon's carb refurb service; some of the best money I've spent on this bike!

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Another shout-out for Gordon's amazing work!!! I bought a derelict 2008 250R that had been sitting around for 2-years and was all gummed up. Here's what carbs looked like when I brought bike home.



I managed to get crispy algae off, but it was still all clogged up everywhere else inside. Bike wouldn't start properly, needed choke full-time to barely idle. Would die as soon as I gave it any throttle.Trying to run engine this way eventually caused it to hydrolock with fuel from leaky floats and break starter-gear. See DIY Starter Gear repair..

So I sent off the carbs to Ducatiman and got them back surprizingly quick!!! Using combination of alien-tech , black-magic, good ol-fashioned expertise and skill, he completely refurbished them. Replaced vacuum hoses and upgrade fasteners to allen-buttonheads which gives them a really modern high-tech look!



Installed them, and bike started right up and idled with no problems!! Crisp throttle-response on road, couldn't be any better!! Highly recommend Gordon's carb refurb service; some of the best money I've spent on this bike!
I have never seen carbs as funky as those in over 50 years of wrenching on bikes. Ducatiman be da man!

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just yesterday did this nasty 1990 KDX200 Keihin carb...sitting a few years
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the pilot screw tips can easily be cleaned, the washers safely reused, only there to protect the oring from damage by the spring.

Who replaces the EPA caps? not needed at all

A few drops of crazy glue in the corners of the bowl lands hold the bowl rings in for assembly, compression and heat cycles "form" them. So easy even a caveman....

The stainless buttonhead screws are a matter of long term convenience.

I use all these components in all my carb services and refurbs, they work.

And I believe my *shipped* price is quite competitive.
It's essential to remove the EPA caps. My bike spent it's first 9,700 miles with the left carbs pilot jet screwed to the seat (closed) and the right carb one turn out.

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Agreed...and standard procedure within my service.

I've personally owned late 90's Kaw ZX6R with *2* closed pilot screws right from the factory....the others near just 1 turn out..how did they run at all?

Note for update and clarity....(within the quote above) no longer using the crazy glue to hold bowl orings...standard grease works fine...under compression and a couple of heat cycles..the orings form, fit and seal perfectly....remove effortlessly when necessary.
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It's essential to remove the EPA caps. My bike spent it's first 9,700 miles with the left carbs pilot jet screwed to the seat (closed) and the right carb one turn out.

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I've seen that with our Ninja 500. Idle screws were different by almost 1 turn.

My son went through a HD carb for one of his buddies. He found that the idle mixture screw was completely bottomed. Had a cap on it, so it came from the factory that way. Never ran right. Wonder why...
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Want to advise those members interested or in need....I'm now incorporating petcock service within Custom Carb Services.

This addition is both sensible and convenient as carbs are dependent on (if not held hostage to) clean, concise fuel flow via the historically problematic factory vacuum petcock.

These days, an original equipment new Kawasaki petcock in the $90 neighborhood....a clean/refurb done affordably, at a fraction of new.

I'll be stocking internal parts, alternative replacement screens (if missing) and basic salvage spare parts.

Each unit must be inspected on a case by case basis to evaluate internal condition and serviceability.

I do suggest those sending carbs to consider sending their petcock as well.

I'll also entertain solo petcock repair as well for members in need. If you've got a non-working junker on the shelf...consider refurb, good to have a working spare.

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New diaphragms pre-installed on slides...I'm still working out details of a new slide "exchange service"...but a perfect set now in stock, ready for immediate shipment.

Offering a choice...a seamless, "drop in" alternative to avoid the risky diaphragm replacement procedure or to eliminate an extremely expensive dealer new purchase.

Furthermore... I'm placing a $$ bounty on slides with worn, torn, deformed, ripped, pinholed diaphragms, I'm reimbursing (reasonable) shipping charges via immediate Paypal as well!
Thus aiding others as well....if ya got 'em, send em! Simply PM for shipping info and further detail.

Rather than an ebay stranger, please support a fellow member... as I'm here to support you.
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a couple recent "victims", though not 250....1st pic Ducati (38mm downdraft Mikuni) and 3 of before/ after EX500

After a medical "slowdown" affecting me in 2018 .....I'm still at this and constantly upgrading and perfecting equipment, materials and methods.

Call it what you choose...refurb or restoration but final results go way beyond "carb cleaning".
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Gordon, I've got a set of GSF400 carbs I would like to have you refurbish (a rack of 4 Mikuni BST32SS carbs). Is this a job you would do? I have a package of replacement parts from Litek, O-rings and such.
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Yes greg. What year is your Bandit? I actually did a set a few years ago.

Better if we communicate privately off ninjette board...

Hit my email gordon@customcarbservices.com I'll respond quickly.
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Huge shoutout to Ducatiman, He recently refurbished my carbs that had been on a bike sitting for almost 4 years. Carbs came back looking brand spanking new and from the time they left my house to when i got them back was not more than 3 days! He really is excellent at what he does and i will use him for sure the next time i have carb problems.
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Huge shoutout to Ducatiman, He recently refurbished my carbs that had been on a bike sitting for almost 4 years. Carbs came back looking brand spanking new and from the time they left my house to when i got them back was not more than 3 days! He really is excellent at what he does and i will use him for sure the next time i have carb problems.
Nobody's touching my carbs but Dukeman! Not even me.

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Wow, blindsided. I am honored, gentlemen.

For both o' ya'......
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finished these for a Ca. member today, as close to new as I can possibly get them, as clean inside as outside
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Nice Job Gordy. No, I'm not tired of making carburetors great again.

Gordon would you be interested in dipping a 1956 Mercury Outboard Motor carburetor in your ultrsonic cleaner? I hate to purchase one cleaner for one job. The carb would be stripped except for the throttle valve.

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Always interested in broadening horizons......a bit of a recent oddball, refurbed a Carter carb off a 1949 International pickup truck.

Pending inspection...I'll do better than just ultrasonic...PM with some contact info....we'll coordinate.
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refurbed these for a West Coast member, finished today

Holy balls I just put these back on my bike....somewhere along it's life my 09 250 lost its R, and @ducatiman found it and gave it back. Its got a growl I haven't heard since its first couple of thousand miles, and after adjusting the pilots it's nimbler than ever.
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Great to hear success Cal. In your case, a number of very minor issues were found and corrected but no major smoking gun. Perhaps cumulative stuff.

Above and beyond the norm, I focus effort and detail on certain obscure components.

Going forward, remember to consistently use an ethanol treatment/stabilizer such as Startron, Stabil 360, whatever. Keep them pilot jets clean!

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