February 20th, 2018, 02:53 PM | #1 |
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Name: Misti
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what riding skills or techniques do you struggle with the most?
What riding skills or techniques do you struggle with the most? Are there things you don't understand about them? What holds you back?
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February 20th, 2018, 03:37 PM | #2 |
not an actual panda
Name: dan
Location: philadelphia
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Braking to the maximum on a non-ABS bike. And it's fear of losing the front that stops me.
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February 20th, 2018, 04:36 PM | #3 |
Cat herder
Name: Gort
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Making the connection between what I intellectually know to be true and what I feel on the bike.
I don't know what I don't know. In other words, lack of confidence and trust in the bike. Mantra: "The bike is smarter than you are. Get out of the damn way."
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February 21st, 2018, 10:27 AM | #4 |
Fighting Texas Aggie '05
Name: Neil
Location: Hutto, TX
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Quickness between the turn in point to apex. I tend to take a bit too long getting a good feeling from the front tire (confidence) and that makes my turn in/transition to full lean when headed to the apex slow and in turn early.
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February 21st, 2018, 04:34 PM | #5 |
ran when parked
Name: Katie
Location: DC/MD
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picking up my bike when I fall over
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February 21st, 2018, 08:23 PM | #6 |
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Name: Steven
Location: Central Valley CA
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Very new rider here.
I feel I don't scan far enough ahead. Countersteering feels a lot different on the street at higher speeds than as practiced in the motorcycle safety class. Sometimes I get caught up in downshifting, braking, turn-in and getting back on the throttle through the turn. I feel mostly it's because this is all very new to me, and it's like learning to drive all over again. |
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February 21st, 2018, 08:39 PM | #7 |
Track Clown
Name: Chris
Location: Kingman, AZ
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Later turn in and balls, big balls!
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February 21st, 2018, 08:43 PM | #8 |
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I've been remedying this, but low-speed right turns. U-turns keep me from getting rusty on the left side but I have no confidence when turning to the right at low speeds.
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February 21st, 2018, 09:20 PM | #9 |
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Name: Steven
Location: Central Valley CA
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I have started going down to the local parking lot where they hold the MSC classes and ride around on the painted courses, getting a feel for my bike. I know it's not the same thing but I've noticed it helped me 'remember' what they taught me a long while ago.
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February 22nd, 2018, 11:25 AM | #10 | |
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The farther ahead you look, the less perception of speed you have. Things slow down for you. You gain time to react and think. Re getting caught up with all the stuff you need to do in a corner... by looking farther ahead you gain more time to sort it all out. There's no need to try to do everything at once at the last minute. To start with, just focus on being smooth and slowing down your inputs. If you're rushing to get stuff done, you started doing it too late. Next time, act earlier so you don't have to rush. If you're choosing your tip-in point a second before you reach it, or trying to get the right body position after you've tipped in, or changing your mind about speed mid-turn, or trying to find the correct gear in the middle of the corner, or waited until after the apex to choose your exit marker, or..... you've waited too long. Get it all done sooner. Think ahead, so you can act with confidence.
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February 22nd, 2018, 06:31 PM | #11 |
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Name: Steven
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Thank you! I will definitely practice what you're preaching.
More sessions for me at the practice course, as soon as it stops raining. (well the day after, so it has time to dry ) |
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February 22nd, 2018, 09:34 PM | #12 |
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Name: Joe
Location: Lancaster CA
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TryFinding that maximum braking point on knobbies first, for me at least it made it a lot easier for me to feel comfortable
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February 23rd, 2018, 02:18 PM | #13 | |
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Just about every day during the off season, I practice finding reference points/brake markers, line selection, trail braking, throttle application, downshifting (I drive a stick shift), traffic awareness, etc. I look at every situation and every road as if I were on my bike. Helps pass the time on those boring commutes.
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March 6th, 2018, 11:09 PM | #14 |
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Name: Misti
Location: Vancouver, BC
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Understandable. Have you taken any steps to work on this technique? How might you go about improving your braking and getting to the point of max braking without losing the front?
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March 6th, 2018, 11:11 PM | #15 |
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Name: Misti
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So when would you say you are looking at the apex? Are you looking at the same time you are turning? are you looking before you get to the turn in point? How might the TIMING of when you look at the apex have an effect on the quickness of your transition?
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March 7th, 2018, 02:32 PM | #16 | |
Fighting Texas Aggie '05
Name: Neil
Location: Hutto, TX
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In my head it feels more like a hesitation to work very direct input to the bars and then in turn the front tire. When in longer turns, it is less noticeable (maybe due to additional time/space from turn in to apex) but in tighter turn and quick transitions I notice the issue a bit more. I'll have to spend some time thinking about it next time and see if I can detail a little better.
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March 12th, 2018, 01:03 PM | #17 | |
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Name: Misti
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May 29th, 2018, 09:53 AM | #18 | |
Its not a 250,its a Ninja
Name: Shaun
Location: Little Rock, AR
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After I started riding, I started applying the BETTER techniques I learned by riding to driving the car. Always use the scan ahead techniques, looking through turns, etc. and you will not only be a better rider, but a better driver too. Very good advice. |
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July 6th, 2018, 07:11 PM | #19 |
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Name: Steven
Location: Central Valley CA
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Today I went for a ride on my first ‘twisty’, Corral Hollow rd. Some people here might know it.
Lacking confidence in not knowing the road was a big factor in my ‘struggle.’ I had never been in the road before, but my riding buddy has a lot of experience on it, albeit in a car. Trying to concentrate on smooth riding in unfamiliar territory is very difficult. Riding with somebody who is more experienced was a little difficult. Trying to keep up all the while trying to ride at my confidence level (iow, slow) was a new experience (first time not riding solo) Tires. The previous owner put on new factory Dunlops (k630 iirc) I do not think these tires are good for anything other than commuting around town. I do not feel ‘planted’. I rode my buddies bike (95 Suzuki gs500 with Michelins, I can’t remember the model but they’re much better feeling when turning in) and my tires feel like hard plastic compared to his. I don’t want to spend money on new ones it’s definitely something that I feel is a necessity in getting the bike to handle better. These tires feel ‘slippery’ and it makes me not want to lean the bike over for fear of them slipping out on me, which leads to less countersteering, which leads to me stiffening up and having to force myself to recorrect. Still not looking far enough ahead in my opinion. new road along with it being higher difficulty definitely didn’t help! I feel I am not geared up enough. (Jeans, riding shoes, leather riding jacket, gauntlets and a decent helmet) want to upgrade to proper boots and a riding suit ASAP. Especially if the goal is to just go out and ride, not just to the store. At higher speeds (70+) I feel unstable on the bike. Wind pushes me around very easy. A double bubble might help, I feel constantly barraged by the wind in my chest. Maybe I’m too new to riding this fast (not in the twisties, this was on the highway) I think this post might need to evolve into my on rookie rider thread |
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