300 Slipping out of 2nd and into neutral

anacron · July 23rd, 2013, 11:11 PM

Have any of you folks encountered this issue with your 300?

This typically happens when I'm accelerating hard, shift to second and ease off the gas. As soon as I start easing off the throttle in 2nd gear, I feel the gear slipping (I lose power) and I'm suddenly in neutral.

Is this common during the break-in period?

I'm not exactly babying the bike, lots of hills and curves that I refuse to ease up on (Got to get comfortable in the curves if I want to step up to the track in the future).

Yakaru · July 23rd, 2013, 11:58 PM

Most definitely not normal and never happens on my bike. Could you somehow only be 'partially' in gear and maybe riding the clutch? Not good for the bike if the gears are slipping like that.

anacron · July 24th, 2013, 12:12 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Yakaru

Most definitely not normal and never happens on my bike. Could you somehow only be 'partially' in gear and maybe riding the clutch? Not good for the bike if the gears are slipping like that.

That might be a possibility. I usually cover the clutch and given the easy pull I may be riding it. I wonder if this is actually me, not kicking up all the way to 2nd...

Jiggles · July 24th, 2013, 12:31 AM

Shift harder. Like really kick that ****er, kick it in the nuts, straight into 2nd gear.

fishdip · July 24th, 2013, 12:42 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by anacron

That might be a possibility. I usually cover the clutch and given the easy pull I may be riding it. I wonder if this is actually me, not kicking up all the way to 2nd...

Try lowering your shift leaver down some so it takes less movement of your foot to shift up

JELY1990 · July 24th, 2013, 01:39 AM

Like Jiggles said, kick up harder. You can also try putting pressure on the shift lever before pulling the clutch in. Also, since 300's have a friction zone pretty far out, you might accidentally be causing slipping by covering the lever.

sprinter · July 24th, 2013, 10:22 AM

Mine was back-shifting out of 4th and 5th gear at full-throttle high-rpm at the track last week. I run a quick-shifter on it, and it was going into the gear cleanly but then popping back down to the lower gear after a second or two. I just installed the FactoryPro shift detent kit in it and will try it again at the track this weekend to see if that solves the problem.

anacron · July 24th, 2013, 10:41 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sprinter

Mine was back-shifting out of 4th and 5th gear at full-throttle high-rpm at the track last week. I run a quick-shifter on it, and it was going into the gear cleanly but then popping back down to the lower gear after a second or two. I just installed the FactoryPro shift detent kit in it and will try it again at the track this weekend to see if that solves the problem.

Good to know, keep us posted on this.

Motofool · July 24th, 2013, 10:49 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by anacron

.........during the break-in period?........... I'm not exactly babying the bike.........

This may be part of the problem.
Nothing wrong with being smooth and nice with a baby machine;........ it will return to you as reliability and precise controls later on.

Rather than using damaging hard or pre-loading shifting, take your time on moving the selector lever all the way until your foot feels a solid top.
Assertive and ample clutch-in doesn't hurt either.

I second the shifter adjustment to your ergonomics.

alex.s · July 24th, 2013, 11:33 AM

harder is incorrect. being abusive on the shifter will result in ****ed up shift drum arms. (these are different from the shift forks) but anyway, the problem is that you are not releasing the hold on the engine for long enough. that means that you are not snapping the throttle closed fast enough, or not leaving it closed for long enough, or using the clutch and not pushing the lever down all the way before reapplying power.

once you shift, hold the shift level down (or up... which ever direction you shifted) for a few seconds past the shift. if you let it up too quickly it can fall out, or if you let it up when you are going to fast with your throttle close/clutching you can only engage the gear partially and it will slip out next time the gears aren't pressing against each other (let off throttle)

note, don't hold the shift lever away from center position too long, just a second or two. count "one-one thousand, two-one thousand" there is a little spring in there that loses tension over time by moving the shift lever (this is what returns it to the center position) and i actually just lost that spring the other day because it lost enough tension to the point that the spring came off the arm.

anacron · July 24th, 2013, 01:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by alex.s

the problem is that you are not releasing the hold on the engine for long enough. that means that you are not snapping the throttle closed fast enough, or not leaving it closed for long enough, or using the clutch and not pushing the lever down all the way before reapplying power.

I think you've hit it... I'm pretty sure my mechanics for quickly shifting up/down isn't good enough (or doesn't match the 300 well). I think I'm trying to force myself to be faster with shifts rather than smoother. I'll keep this in mind and build that muscle memory before trying shift quicker.

This aside, the bike's been a blast and I'm absolutely addicted to riding.

JohnnyBravo · July 24th, 2013, 06:34 PM

I had it happen once, scared the crap out of me. Put it back in gear and never had it happen again. Dunno the cause, or the solution... Was a one and done situation

anacron · July 25th, 2013, 03:01 PM

Today was much better. I was paying attention to how quickly I was letting the clutch and how much throttle I was giving. Turns out it was a combination of letting the clutch out too quickly and too much throttle.

Practiced smooth clutch releases and the ride was really good.

alex.s · July 25th, 2013, 03:35 PM

the 300 was a dream to shift with compared to the 250. clutchless was effortless and smoother than clutched upshifts i thought. i tried as hard as i could to lock up the rear wheel with engine brake alone and couldn't get more than a chirp out of it with the slipper.. really smooth let go on the slipper too, nothing abrupt at all. i was very pleasantly surprised. if you feel spicy, try not using the clutch when upshifting. its easiest when done from WOT. be safe.

tuan3742 · August 23rd, 2013, 01:11 PM

this has actually happened to me once. but i think it was more rider error rather than the bike. was riding hard and i think i didn't fully upshift.

anacron · August 23rd, 2013, 01:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tuan3742

this has actually happened to me once. but i think it was more rider error rather than the bike. was riding hard and i think i didn't fully upshift.

Yeah, I agree. I was still in my fantastic, super noob phase. I've since gotten the shift lever adjusted (pulled it down a bit to decrease foot travel) and I haven't had issues with not fully upshifting.

Gotten over the positive neutral finder too...

JohnnyBravo · August 24th, 2013, 06:42 AM

I got mine to do it a second time... Def rider error!!! I know what I did wrong each time, never had it happen anywhere but second. Good job sorting yours out

Sargent · September 14th, 2013, 11:42 PM

I've actually had this issue on my 300. I was kicking the shifter at the same time that I was releasing the clutch. My hands were moving a bit faster than my foot apparently. Started holding the clutch a half second longer and haven't had the issue again.

Surferboy120 · September 30th, 2013, 09:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sprinter

Mine was back-shifting out of 4th and 5th gear at full-throttle high-rpm at the track last week. I run a quick-shifter on it, and it was going into the gear cleanly but then popping back down to the lower gear after a second or two. I just installed the FactoryPro shift detent kit in it and will try it again at the track this weekend to see if that solves the problem.

I have the exact same issue identically to you and I have also ordered the Factory Pro shift kit. Some might have been rider error but some definitely were not. No quick shifter here I might add. I hope this shift detent kit resolves most of this.

sprinter · October 1st, 2013, 08:35 AM

The shift detent kit did firm up the shifts, but I still get that backshifting problem occasionally. I've narrowed it down to occurring pretty much only on the first couple of laps when the engine is colder, after that it never seems to happen. Also, with the quick-shifter I have to be very sure not to let my foot come anywhere close to the lever in between shifts or I can accidentally bump it and cause the issue that way.

Surferboy120 · October 1st, 2013, 08:38 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sprinter

The shift detent kit did firm up the shifts, but I still get that backshifting problem occasionally. I've narrowed it down to occurring pretty much only on the first couple of laps when the engine is colder, after that it never seems to happen. Also, with the quick-shifter I have to be very sure not to let my foot come anywhere close to the lever in between shifts or I can accidentally bump it and cause the issue that way.

Very good information thank you

cadd · April 16th, 2015, 08:28 PM

Anyone had issues with being in 3rd gear and slipping back in neutral?

Link to original page on YouTube.

Sirena · April 24th, 2015, 01:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sprinter

Mine was back-shifting out of 4th and 5th gear at full-throttle high-rpm at the track last week. I run a quick-shifter on it, and it was going into the gear cleanly but then popping back down to the lower gear after a second or two. I just installed the FactoryPro shift detent kit in it and will try it again at the track this weekend to see if that solves the problem.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Surferboy120

I have the exact same issue identically to you and I have also ordered the Factory Pro shift kit. Some might have been rider error but some definitely were not. No quick shifter here I might add. I hope this shift detent kit resolves most of this.

I just raced the 300 for the first time this weekend and was having a LOT of trouble up-shifting while under hard acceleration. Not sure what percentage of this is rider error

So I'm reviving this thread - hoping to hear more from you guys! If it's mostly me, then I don't want to prioritize spending on these parts...
Any updates?

Hero Danny · April 24th, 2015, 04:10 PM

Not completely unheard of... sounds like to me the ninja 300 gear box is garbage or something... I've had it slip a few times on me... My old ninja 250's did it too actually. I heard kawi had clunky gearboxes..

GregS · April 25th, 2015, 08:30 AM

Mine tends to do pop out of gear when decelerating under engine braking, very disconcerting when you're tipping into the corner!

APEmike · May 22nd, 2015, 09:29 AM

Seems like I need to talk the boss into undercutting a 300 trans up and down to see if it helps...

GregS · May 22nd, 2015, 10:19 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by APEmike

Seems like I need to talk the boss into undercutting a 300 trans up and down to see if it helps...

Would be nice to see the results of that

APEmike · May 26th, 2015, 09:08 AM

Yes it would be. Might help the transmissions live longer as well. It does with the Hayabusa powered cars and drag bikes that we normally do it for.

bad vibe · September 16th, 2015, 10:53 AM

mmm love when i dont kick it hard enuff

sprinter · September 16th, 2015, 11:44 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sprinter

Mine was back-shifting out of 4th and 5th gear at full-throttle high-rpm at the track last week. I run a quick-shifter on it, and it was going into the gear cleanly but then popping back down to the lower gear after a second or two. I just installed the FactoryPro shift detent kit in it and will try it again at the track this weekend to see if that solves the problem.

Since this thread is still alive, I guess I'll provide an update here. The FactoryPro shift detent kit did nothing to help this problem, and it continued all through the 2014 season and was still doing it this year. I found that it was more prevalent when the engine was cold, but that was not true all of the time. It finally gave up the ghost at Road America when I was up there for the race wekeend July 4th, at that point it would literally not go into 5th gear any longer so I had to retire from the race weekend. It actually backshifted on it's own from 5th to 4th when I was in the middle of the carousel, and just about blew me off the track, I parked it after that session and called it quits. Haven't torn it apart yet to see what things look like, but we have quite a few guys running in our Ninja 300 Spec race series and virtually everyone is having problems with the transmission not staying in the higher gears during hard acceleration. It's not rider error, it's something mechanical, just not sure exactly what yet since I haven't torn mine apart. I'll update once we have it torn down. I suspect there are dogs rounded off, but it could be some other kind of problem with the shift drum or detent.

bad vibe · September 16th, 2015, 11:49 AM

damn, glad I top out at about 75mph, probably just doesn't like that I'm over 200lbs

APEmike · September 16th, 2015, 03:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sprinter

Since this thread is still alive, I guess I'll provide an update here. The FactoryPro shift detent kit did nothing to help this problem, and it continued all through the 2014 season and was still doing it this year. I found that it was more prevalent when the engine was cold, but that was not true all of the time. It finally gave up the ghost at Road America when I was up there for the race wekeend July 4th, at that point it would literally not go into 5th gear any longer so I had to retire from the race weekend. It actually backshifted on it's own from 5th to 4th when I was in the middle of the carousel, and just about blew me off the track, I parked it after that session and called it quits. Haven't torn it apart yet to see what things look like, but we have quite a few guys running in our Ninja 300 Spec race series and virtually everyone is having problems with the transmission not staying in the higher gears during hard acceleration. It's not rider error, it's something mechanical, just not sure exactly what yet since I haven't torn mine apart. I'll update once we have it torn down. I suspect there are dogs rounded off, but it could be some other kind of problem with the shift drum or detent.

The factory transmission is not undercut at ALL, thats why its happening. Its not so big of an issue on the 250 due to the lower power output but the 300s need it. Aftermarket undercutting will fix this. Ill have pics soon of before and after on a 300 trans my shop is doing.

Linkin · September 19th, 2015, 05:56 AM

Hold the shift lever up with your foot and let it go ONLY after you've fully released the clutch.

Guarantee you it won't drop out of gear anymore.

snot · September 19th, 2015, 12:56 PM

never had the issue with mine. I do still have a factory warranty and I am renewing it for another 2 years because of the bugs I read about.
that being said my bike is within the first 1100 made.

xXecuterXx2 · September 19th, 2015, 01:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Linkin

Hold the shift lever up with your foot and let it go ONLY after you've fully released the clutch.

Guarantee you it won't drop out of gear anymore.

^^^ I agree, seen that advice many times, must be worth it.

dcj13 · September 19th, 2015, 02:37 PM

Pre-loading the shift lever with your foot just before you pull in the clutch also helps assure a crisp shift. (It's a habit for riders of BMWs with older Getrag transmissions).

1wardogusmc · May 31st, 2016, 02:57 PM

What kind of oil are you using and how many miles since last change?

TP Ninja · June 7th, 2016, 09:08 AM

Bent shift fork from too many wheelies. Engine tear down.

allanoue · June 7th, 2016, 09:36 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 1wardogusmc

What kind of oil are you using and how many miles since last change?

OP July 24th, 2013, 02:11 AM

July 23rd, 2013, 11:11 PM	#1
anacron ninjette.org guru Name: Adi Location: SF Bay Area Join Date: Apr 2013 Motorcycle(s): Triumph Street Triple R Posts: 380	300 Slipping out of 2nd and into neutral Have any of you folks encountered this issue with your 300? This typically happens when I'm accelerating hard, shift to second and ease off the gas. As soon as I start easing off the throttle in 2nd gear, I feel the gear slipping (I lose power) and I'm suddenly in neutral. Is this common during the break-in period? I'm not exactly babying the bike, lots of hills and curves that I refuse to ease up on (Got to get comfortable in the curves if I want to step up to the track in the future). __________________________________________________ Here's my Youtube Channel. Here's my Flickr Photostream.

July 24th, 2013, 12:31 AM	#4
Jiggles Jigglin' your Jiglets Name: Sean Location: San Jose, Ca Join Date: Jun 2011 Motorcycle(s): 2009 K1300S, 2013 Ninja 300, 2011 Ninja 250R, Faster than Unregistered's ninjette Posts: Too much. Blog Entries: 1 MOTM - Apr '13	Shift harder. Like really kick that ****er, kick it in the nuts, straight into 2nd gear. __________________________________________________ If the Ninja 250 doesn't have enough power for you, then you don't know how to ride it. AFM #676 Supersports are for n00bs
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July 24th, 2013, 11:33 AM	#10
alex.s wat Name: wat Location: tustin/long beach Join Date: Sep 2009 Motorcycle(s): wat Posts: Too much. Blog Entries: 5 MOTM - Oct '12, Feb '14	harder is incorrect. being abusive on the shifter will result in ****ed up shift drum arms. (these are different from the shift forks) but anyway, the problem is that you are not releasing the hold on the engine for long enough. that means that you are not snapping the throttle closed fast enough, or not leaving it closed for long enough, or using the clutch and not pushing the lever down all the way before reapplying power. once you shift, hold the shift level down (or up... which ever direction you shifted) for a few seconds past the shift. if you let it up too quickly it can fall out, or if you let it up when you are going to fast with your throttle close/clutching you can only engage the gear partially and it will slip out next time the gears aren't pressing against each other (let off throttle) note, don't hold the shift lever away from center position too long, just a second or two. count "one-one thousand, two-one thousand" there is a little spring in there that loses tension over time by moving the shift lever (this is what returns it to the center position) and i actually just lost that spring the other day because it lost enough tension to the point that the spring came off the arm. __________________________________________________
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July 24th, 2013, 06:34 PM	#12
JohnnyBravo Certifiable nontundrum Name: Harper Location: NC Milkshake stand Join Date: Mar 2013 Motorcycle(s): 2013 SE NINJA 300 Posts: Too much. MOTM - Sep '13, Sep '16	I had it happen once, scared the crap out of me. Put it back in gear and never had it happen again. Dunno the cause, or the solution... Was a one and done situation __________________________________________________

July 25th, 2013, 03:01 PM	#13
anacron ninjette.org guru Name: Adi Location: SF Bay Area Join Date: Apr 2013 Motorcycle(s): Triumph Street Triple R Posts: 380	Today was much better. I was paying attention to how quickly I was letting the clutch and how much throttle I was giving. Turns out it was a combination of letting the clutch out too quickly and too much throttle. Practiced smooth clutch releases and the ride was really good. __________________________________________________ Here's my Youtube Channel. Here's my Flickr Photostream.
	1 out of 1 members found this post helpful.

July 23rd, 2013, 11:58 PM	#2
Yakaru The Violet Vixen Name: Yakaru Location: Issaquah, WA & Las Vegas, NV Join Date: Jun 2012 Motorcycle(s): Perigee (250), Hotaru (250), Saturn (300), Pearl (300), Zero (S1000RR), Chibi (Z125), Xellos ('18 HP4R) Posts: A lot. MOTM - Jun '16	Most definitely not normal and never happens on my bike. Could you somehow only be 'partially' in gear and maybe riding the clutch? Not good for the bike if the gears are slipping like that.

July 24th, 2013, 01:39 AM	#6
JELY1990 Boring is my middle name. Name: Jason Location: Bay Area, CA Join Date: Aug 2011 Motorcycle(s): '09 Ninja 250r Posts: 258	Like Jiggles said, kick up harder. You can also try putting pressure on the shift lever before pulling the clutch in. Also, since 300's have a friction zone pretty far out, you might accidentally be causing slipping by covering the lever.

July 24th, 2013, 10:22 AM	#7
sprinter ninjette.org member Name: JJ Location: USA Join Date: Jul 2013 Motorcycle(s): 2018 Ninja 400 Race Bike (in progress...) Posts: 126	Mine was back-shifting out of 4th and 5th gear at full-throttle high-rpm at the track last week. I run a quick-shifter on it, and it was going into the gear cleanly but then popping back down to the lower gear after a second or two. I just installed the FactoryPro shift detent kit in it and will try it again at the track this weekend to see if that solves the problem.

July 25th, 2013, 03:35 PM	#14
alex.s wat Name: wat Location: tustin/long beach Join Date: Sep 2009 Motorcycle(s): wat Posts: Too much. Blog Entries: 5 MOTM - Oct '12, Feb '14	the 300 was a dream to shift with compared to the 250. clutchless was effortless and smoother than clutched upshifts i thought. i tried as hard as i could to lock up the rear wheel with engine brake alone and couldn't get more than a chirp out of it with the slipper.. really smooth let go on the slipper too, nothing abrupt at all. i was very pleasantly surprised. if you feel spicy, try not using the clutch when upshifting. its easiest when done from WOT. be safe. __________________________________________________

August 23rd, 2013, 01:11 PM	#15
tuan3742 ninjette.org member Name: Eric Location: Portland Join Date: Oct 2012 Motorcycle(s): 13' zx-6r 636 Posts: 155	this has actually happened to me once. but i think it was more rider error rather than the bike. was riding hard and i think i didn't fully upshift. __________________________________________________ Yes, I'm a squid. But it's okay, I love squid, so can you

August 24th, 2013, 06:42 AM	#17
JohnnyBravo Certifiable nontundrum Name: Harper Location: NC Milkshake stand Join Date: Mar 2013 Motorcycle(s): 2013 SE NINJA 300 Posts: Too much. MOTM - Sep '13, Sep '16	I got mine to do it a second time... Def rider error!!! I know what I did wrong each time, never had it happen anywhere but second. Good job sorting yours out __________________________________________________

September 14th, 2013, 11:42 PM	#18
Sargent ninjette.org member Name: Ryan Location: Chico, CA Join Date: Sep 2013 Motorcycle(s): Kawasaki Ninja 300 Posts: 18	I've actually had this issue on my 300. I was kicking the shifter at the same time that I was releasing the clutch. My hands were moving a bit faster than my foot apparently. Started holding the clutch a half second longer and haven't had the issue again.

October 1st, 2013, 08:35 AM	#20
sprinter ninjette.org member Name: JJ Location: USA Join Date: Jul 2013 Motorcycle(s): 2018 Ninja 400 Race Bike (in progress...) Posts: 126	The shift detent kit did firm up the shifts, but I still get that backshifting problem occasionally. I've narrowed it down to occurring pretty much only on the first couple of laps when the engine is colder, after that it never seems to happen. Also, with the quick-shifter I have to be very sure not to let my foot come anywhere close to the lever in between shifts or I can accidentally bump it and cause the issue that way.

April 16th, 2015, 08:28 PM	#22
cadd cadd cadd cadd Name: Cadd Location: 41°21'13.1"N, 74°41'37.4"W Join Date: Jan 2014 Motorcycle(s): 300 Posts: A lot. MOTM - May '15	Anyone had issues with being in 3rd gear and slipping back in neutral? Link to original page on YouTube. __________________________________________________ Riding it like I financed it.

April 24th, 2015, 04:10 PM	#24
Hero Danny Inline 4!!! Name: Danny Location: MA Join Date: May 2014 Motorcycle(s): 2008 CBR600rr, 1987 KLR 250 Posts: A lot.	Not completely unheard of... sounds like to me the ninja 300 gear box is garbage or something... I've had it slip a few times on me... My old ninja 250's did it too actually. I heard kawi had clunky gearboxes.. __________________________________________________ Be careful. Remember you are invisible

April 25th, 2015, 08:30 AM	#25
GregS ninjette.org member Name: Greg Location: San Antonio Join Date: Dec 2014 Motorcycle(s): Ninja 300, GSXR-750, Ducati M1100 Posts: 185	Mine tends to do pop out of gear when decelerating under engine braking, very disconcerting when you're tipping into the corner!

May 22nd, 2015, 09:29 AM	#26
APEmike ninjette.org member Name: Michael Location: Tehachapi, CA Join Date: Oct 2014 Motorcycle(s): 2014 Ninja 300 Posts: 160	Seems like I need to talk the boss into undercutting a 300 trans up and down to see if it helps...

May 26th, 2015, 09:08 AM	#28
APEmike ninjette.org member Name: Michael Location: Tehachapi, CA Join Date: Oct 2014 Motorcycle(s): 2014 Ninja 300 Posts: 160	Yes it would be. Might help the transmissions live longer as well. It does with the Hayabusa powered cars and drag bikes that we normally do it for.

September 16th, 2015, 10:53 AM	#29
bad vibe ninjette.org member Name: Michael Location: Long Island, NY Join Date: Apr 2015 Motorcycle(s): 2014 Ninja 300 SE ABS Posts: 45	mmm love when i dont kick it hard enuff

September 16th, 2015, 11:49 AM	#31
bad vibe ninjette.org member Name: Michael Location: Long Island, NY Join Date: Apr 2015 Motorcycle(s): 2014 Ninja 300 SE ABS Posts: 45	damn, glad I top out at about 75mph, probably just doesn't like that I'm over 200lbs

September 19th, 2015, 05:56 AM	#33
Linkin Down Under Name: Linkin Location: Sydney, Australia Join Date: Jun 2014 Motorcycle(s): Kawasaki ZXR250C Ninja Posts: 296	Hold the shift lever up with your foot and let it go ONLY after you've fully released the clutch. Guarantee you it won't drop out of gear anymore.

September 19th, 2015, 12:56 PM	#34
snot sammich maker Name: snot Location: West Ohio - in the kitchen Join Date: Feb 2012 Motorcycle(s): 2013 white 300, 09 KLX 250 SF, 09 thunder blue 250(traded) Posts: A lot. MOTM - Apr '15	never had the issue with mine. I do still have a factory warranty and I am renewing it for another 2 years because of the bugs I read about. that being said my bike is within the first 1100 made. __________________________________________________ https://www.brocksperformance.com/VZ...0035+C450.aspx

September 19th, 2015, 02:37 PM	#36
dcj13 Participant Name: Dave Location: South of Seattle Join Date: Oct 2012 Motorcycle(s): '94 K75 std Posts: Too much. MOTM - Aug '15	Pre-loading the shift lever with your foot just before you pull in the clutch also helps assure a crisp shift. (It's a habit for riders of BMWs with older Getrag transmissions).

May 31st, 2016, 02:57 PM	#37
1wardogusmc ninjette.org member Name: Joel/Angela Location: Inland Empire, Ca Join Date: Apr 2016 Motorcycle(s): 2010 250/ZX-10R, 2014 300 Posts: 38 Blog Entries: 3	What kind of oil are you using and how many miles since last change?

June 7th, 2016, 09:08 AM	#38
TP Ninja ninjette.org member Name: Peter Location: Mexico Join Date: Feb 2016 Motorcycle(s): 300 Ninja Posts: 19	Bent shift fork from too many wheelies. Engine tear down.

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