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Old November 14th, 2017, 07:14 PM   #121
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The interview was awful. Some highlights


4. They were unable to tell me either their sales goals or their previous sales numbers

7. They offered me the job, sales job, for $10 an hour plus 15% of commission and said that I'd make 70k but were not able to provide me with anyone's actual salary or any actual numbers of actual units sold


So I ran away really really really REALLY fast.

Also I wore jeans which was a good call because I felt overdressed even in that.
Every sales manager I have ever met had a spreadsheet or whiteboard with unit sales totals. It was pretty much a public competition between the salespersons to see who could sell the most. While I could see that maybe the actual dollars of sales and individuals pay are proprietary they should have been able to say "Bob sold 23 bikes last month, Jerry sold 15, Ralph sold 2....."

Sounds like running away was a good plan. But at least you got to work on your interview skills. Make some notes on what worked and didn't work in the interview so you will be better prepared for the next one. The interview while awful was valuable as a learning experience.
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Old November 14th, 2017, 07:44 PM   #122
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The interview was awful. Some highlights

1. They asked my age (not that I care, but its considered incredibly rude)
2. Two people were interviewing me and others were constantly coming in and interrupting and asking about other stuff and they would end up chatting and I sat there awkwardly
3. They told me their parts department is worthless
4. They were unable to tell me either their sales goals or their previous sales numbers
5. Their service department was dimly lit, not heated, there was trash all over the floor and not a single square inch of clear space on their counters or tool boxes
6. They stood around chatting with other employees about how to lower a cobra bike for some guy's son for a full fifteen minutes while trying to start some other random dirtbikes just for fun because there was nothing to do (and I was just standing there kind of ignored at this point)
7. They offered me the job, sales job, for $10 an hour plus 15% of commission and said that I'd make 70k but were not able to provide me with anyone's actual salary or any actual numbers of actual units sold
8. They openly joked about firing other employees and about the employee they just fired last week
9. They talked about other employees and said they were annoying and not likable but they sold well so they get to stay
10. Their show room was unacceptable, bikes were just stacked on other bikes and there wasnt a single motorcycle that was in full view, all just lined up within 3 inches of other bikes, it didn't even look like a dealership but more like a dingy warehouse
11. They were trying to sell used Japanese dirtbikes for upwards of $4500
12. They told me they're mad at Beta and want to drop Beta (maybe why their TWO Beta bikes were stuffed in a back corner) because of some weird story about how the manager bought a beta for himself and didn't tie it down properly and it fell off the trailer on the highway and got dragged; and then it had issues (duh) and wouldn't start, and their service department cannot figure out why, and Beta is refusing to consider that warranty work and does not want to give them a new wiring harness for free

So I ran away really really really REALLY fast.

Also I wore jeans which was a good call because I felt overdressed even in that.
Good experience for yourself. Now you have the worst job interview of your life out of the way, it's all gotta be good from here. IT IS ILLEGAL TO ASK AN APPLICANTS AGE!!!!!!! You could get them into a whole lot of trouble but why bother, they are going to hang themselves anyway.

Man, on-line parts support is looking better and better. I'm very glad I wrench my own motorcycles.

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Old November 14th, 2017, 08:08 PM   #123
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Good decision, sounds like a terrible place to work. Asking how old you are in an interview can actually be illegal, but since you're obviously under 40 just from looking at you, it might not have been illegal in your particular case. Regardless, they don't sound like good people.
Yeah... I'm not that desperate. Would not work there. I'm 24 for the record.
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You could get them into a whole lot of trouble but why bother, they are going to hang themselves anyway.
Story of my life when it comes to motorcycle industry job interviews.

My interview at my tech job went like this:

What is your experience? I did xyz to my Ninja 250.
What tools do you have? Only what I needed to do xyz to my Ninja 250.
What bike do you have, and did you ride it here? SV 650 and yes.
Come with whatever tools you have on Tuesday.

That shop set the gold standard for everything. I can tell pretty quick if/how sexist the management is, or is going to be, in the interview. A dead giveaway is, "I'm not trying to be sexist, but..." it's a big problem in the motorcycle industry. Where I worked (Cycles of Silver Spring) I wasn't "one of the guys" nor was it like "don't talk that way there's a lady around." It IS possible to treat a female who works on bikes as, surprise, just another human being...

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Old November 14th, 2017, 09:12 PM   #125
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Story of my life when it comes to motorcycle industry job interviews.

My interview at my tech job went like this:

What is your experience? I did xyz to my Ninja 250.
What tools do you have? Only what I needed to do xyz to my Ninja 250.
What bike do you have, and did you ride it here? SV 650 and yes.
Come with whatever tools you have on Tuesday.

That shop set the gold standard for everything. I can tell pretty quick if/how sexist the management is, or is going to be, in the interview. A dead giveaway is, "I'm not trying to be sexist, but..." it's a big problem in the motorcycle industry. Where I worked (Cycles of Silver Spring) I wasn't "one of the guys" nor was it like "don't talk that way there's a lady around." It IS possible to treat a female who works on bikes as, surprise, just another human being...

off my soapbox
I guess I couldn't talk you into singing a couple choruses of "I enjoy Being a Girl" by Doris Day huh?

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Old November 14th, 2017, 09:23 PM   #126
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I am going to be making $0 from them because I'm not going to work there
I understood that, but was just expressing how ridiculous their estimate of your possible income was. Here's hoping for better prospects to come along soon!

I might be wrong, but from what I've read, it's not illegal to ask your age at an interview. What is done with the information could possibly be illegal, but asking and getting an answer is not.
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Thanks. I wrote a letter to the AMA yesterday basically cold applying for a job and they got back to me today. The person on the other end said she forwarded my info to the president of the company so we'll see if anything happens. Going to write to a few other companies like that and see if it gets me anywhere. I'm interested less in selling units than in selling people on getting into motorcycling and sticking with it... I could see myself doing some kind of project management or event coordination or something..
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Thanks. I wrote a letter to the AMA yesterday basically cold applying for a job and they got back to me today. The person on the other end said she forwarded my info to the president of the company so we'll see if anything happens. Going to write to a few other companies like that and see if it gets me anywhere. I'm interested less in selling units than in selling people on getting into motorcycling and sticking with it... I could see myself doing some kind of project management or event coordination or something..
Good thinkin' Katie. I never thought of the A.M.A. That could be a classy and rewarding place to work.

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Old November 15th, 2017, 07:20 AM   #129
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Thanks. I wrote a letter to the AMA yesterday basically cold applying for a job and they got back to me today. The person on the other end said she forwarded my info to the president of the company so we'll see if anything happens. Going to write to a few other companies like that and see if it gets me anywhere. I'm interested less in selling units than in selling people on getting into motorcycling and sticking with it... I could see myself doing some kind of project management or event coordination or something..
Best of luck. Aim high.

Too bad about the interview, but at least you got a clear picture of the place and know absolutely it's not for you.

Great dealerships are few-and-far-between these days. Getting into a legitimate organization would be a huge step up.

It will happen for you, but it may take some time.
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That shop sounds like a terrible place to work. Glad you passed it up. Nothing sounds reasonable about it.
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I sent a LinkedIn request with a short message to the marketing manager of Beta Motorcycles. To my surprise he accepted my connection request and also sent me a message saying they're not hiring right now but he can pass along my info to his supervisors (meaning they probably are hiring for certain select things, right?)

I wrote back thanking him for his time and telling him about me and what I'm interested in.. getting more female riders into the industry through group rides and community networking.. super interested in Beta two stroke technology and also am curious about being a brand ambassador, interested in getting involved in any way that I can.

I'm not sure if this will go anywhere but I would LOVE to work for Beta!
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Why doesn't the motorcycle industry have a casting couch? I think more jobs would open up in the industry.
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I assumed CC was using sarcasm to highlight the recent exposures of decades of abuse of both men and women by people in power. Right CC?
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The AMA got back to me and said their DC office staff will be in the Ohio office for meetings next week and they'd like to meet with me if it fits with my schedule. It's a three hour drive from Pittsburgh to Columbus - think if I go, it'll prove that I really want the job!?

I'd have to relocate to DC.. find a sub-letter because my lease ends in July... move back in with my parents... eeeeek. I guess I'll take it step by step.
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The AMA got back to me and said their DC office staff will be in the Ohio office for meetings next week and they'd like to meet with me if it fits with my schedule. It's a three hour drive from Pittsburgh to Columbus - think if I go, it'll prove that I really want the job!?

I'd have to relocate to DC.. find a sub-letter because my lease ends in July... move back in with my parents... eeeeek. I guess I'll take it step by step.
The fact that they got back to you is a very positive sign. If I were to consider you for employment and it wasn't worth a 3 - 4 hour drive to meet with me I'd figure you didn't have what it took to do the job. Don't be a freakin' millennial and expect an offer on a silver platter. A job with the AMA is not available to everyone - an order taker at McDonalds is. Opportunity knocks once.

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The AMA got back to me and said their DC office staff will be in the Ohio office for meetings next week and they'd like to meet with me if it fits with my schedule. It's a three hour drive from Pittsburgh to Columbus - think if I go, it'll prove that I really want the job!?

I'd have to relocate to DC.. find a sub-letter because my lease ends in July... move back in with my parents... eeeeek. I guess I'll take it step by step.
I would make it fit my schedule if I were you, it definitely shows you want the job.
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Don't think to far ahead you'll get anxiety. I do it to myself all the time lol step by step and if that is where you are supposed to be then you will end up there.
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I have a phone call with them today so I'll ask about their timeline and let them know I'm willing to meet them in Ohio. Yes, one step at a time... I get ahead of myself sometimes..
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I have a phone call with them today so I'll ask about their timeline and let them know I'm willing to meet them in Ohio. Yes, one step at a time... I get ahead of myself sometimes..
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One thing I've learned is to never wait for something to happen. If you want something, go get it, because it's not going to come to you.

Some people make excuses to avoid doing that, the most common being a variation of, "but look at <insert random successful person here>, they didn't have to do anything to get it!" Yes, it is true that there is a rare case of random benefit happening, but it's not the norm. If you want something, you have to go get it.
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One thing I've learned is to never wait for something to happen. If you want something, go get it, because it's not going to come to you.

Some people make excuses to avoid doing that, the most common being a variation of, "but look at <insert random successful person here>, they didn't have to do anything to get it!" Yes, it is true that there is a rare case of random benefit happening, but it's not the norm. If you want something, you have to go get it.
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Wow, I don't think I want this job. It's pushing papers for lobbyists and has nothing to do with motorcycles. Only 3 people work in the office, which is located in downtown DC and would be a 1 hour commute each way. Plus I'd have to move within a month and I really like my set-up here. If it was any other company I'd have said no thanks on the phone but just in case it pays exceptionally well I guess I'll see how the interview goes. They said they've been trying to fill the position since July which strikes me as a red flag. They want another 2 people in the DC office but have so far been unable to fill those 2 positions. Meh
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Wow, I don't think I want this job. It's pushing papers for lobbyists and has nothing to do with motorcycles. Only 3 people work in the office, which is located in downtown DC and would be a 1 hour commute each way. Plus I'd have to move within a month and I really like my set-up here. If it was any other company I'd have said no thanks on the phone but just in case it pays exceptionally well I guess I'll see how the interview goes. They said they've been trying to fill the position since July which strikes me as a red flag. They want another 2 people in the DC office but have so far been unable to fill those 2 positions. Meh
I put together A.M.A. and D.C. and came up with lobbyist. Could be a fun first gig though especially at your age.

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I put together A.M.A. and D.C. and came up with lobbyist. Could be a fun first gig though especially at your age.

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Not worth it. I know that commute. I know who works on Capitol Hill. I'd have to abruptly pack up all my **** and leave. And move back in with my parents with no timeline for being able to move out. You need to make $50,000 a year to have an apartment in the DC area and not constantly be eating Ramen and living by candlelight. I'd do it for the right job but I just got bad vibes. The recruiter also plain forgot to call me and I had to email and remind her that we had an appointment. It would take something pretty awesome to pull me away from my cozy cheap apartment, my garage out back with space for 10 bikes, my few handful of friends, my dog park, and my 800 acre off-road riding park an hour from my house... this doesn't seem like that kinda gig. I guess I carved out a nice little setup for myself up here! Not eager to throw myself back into the expensive, maddening chaos of the DC area.
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Think of all the political sharks you could be entertained by. You would see things you thought only happens in Hollywood (or with media big shots). Plus if you lasted a few years you might be able to see most of Congress arrested (not really, they live by different rules).
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Yep the universe is saying dont do it .. maybe I just want a regular job that gives me the time and money to go to all the AMA events instead of working for the AMA
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