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Old November 24th, 2011, 08:02 PM   #1
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Old November 24th, 2011, 08:57 PM   #2
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I believe the plastic company is going to be out a pile of cash for violating the employee's first amendment rights. No employer has the right to order an employee to change their religion. Employers must make reasonable allowances to accommodate employee's religions. Excusing a guy who works in a factory from wearing a sticker for one day is most certainly reasonable.
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Old November 24th, 2011, 09:02 PM   #3
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I highly doubt he got fired over not wearing a sticker.
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Old November 25th, 2011, 05:33 AM   #4
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It seems that in cases like this there is always something they left out of the story. But at the same time, the company allegedly didn't deny it.

Here's a better link to the story that claims he requested a personal day on that day, but was refused.
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I believe in Metallica. They may be vaguely associated with the devil.
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Old November 26th, 2011, 03:44 AM   #6
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It probably was something like this: (dream bubble)

I am not wearing a mark of the beast i will not come into work on that day.

Its just a sticker that is no excuse to dismiss work.

you devil worshiper take you sticker and shove it.

you can take your ungratefull *** and quit if you dont like it.

That makes more sense :S
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Old November 26th, 2011, 11:01 AM   #7
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Is that you in the video? because that person sounds like a dick. I didnt know how I felt about the story until I watched the video. I was more annoyed with the commentary then anything.


That dude has every right to say something is against his religious beliefs. And yeah its JUST A STICKER, so if he has a religious reason as to not wear it, WHO CARES. Dont make the guy wear it. And while I am not a sue happy person, he is now losing his lively hood because they wanted him to do something he felt was against his religion... They should have just not made him wear the sticker...
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Old November 26th, 2011, 12:32 PM   #8
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I'm one with you on that. The employee part was fine but the personal commentary was like picturing a skinhead with KKK and swatstickers for bicep tattoos. He puts down a beleiver but then it's o.k. for him to spout about being agnostic, atheist, heathen etc. Hope that company isn't in the Bible Belt eh.
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The man just can't rationalize.

Was his boyfriend mad as well?
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The guy who made the video is a freaking dick... Seems like the kind of doucher who believes his opinion is irrefutable fact. I think the guy had every reason to not wear a 666 sticker, yeah it wasn't meant to be a mark of the devil but he wasn't comfortable wearing it so don't make him. I wouldn't have made a deal about it, and I'm not super religious, but I wouldn't be comfortable wearing a 666 sticker either...
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I'm not super religious, but I wouldn't be comfortable wearing a 666 sticker either...
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I bet he wore the 616 day sticker.

I wonder what he thinks about that?

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I bet he wore the 616 day sticker.

I wonder what he thinks about that?

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Obviously, he didn't think anything about 616. HIS religion is the only one that matters in this case. Other religions may view 616 as the mark of the beast, but if his doesn't, then its irrelevant in this case. Again, HE believes that he will go to hell if he wears that sticker. It doesn't matter what anybody else thinks about the sticker.

Unless the plastic company can show that he abused them by taking excessive time off (for any reason), then they have already lost the case. It will be interesting to see what their defenses are.
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Obviously, he didn't think anything about 616. HIS religion is the only one that matters in this case. Other religions may view 616 as the mark of the beast, but if his doesn't, then its irrelevant in this case. Again, HE believes that he will go to hell if he wears that sticker. It doesn't matter what anybody else thinks about the sticker.

Unless the plastic company can show that he abused them by taking excessive time off (for any reason), then they have already lost the case. It will be interesting to see what their defenses are.
I am not in disagreement with you and I feel the company should not have fired him but I ask what can this lead to with many other beliefs?
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Its only an issue if it causes safety concerns and such. Wearing a burka (sp?) may be a problem in some companies because it restricts your view. While its a religious thing to wear one it is also a safety concern in some job places. As long as there is no safety concern or serious ethical issue, religious rights should be upheld.
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Old November 28th, 2011, 08:34 AM   #17
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I am not in disagreement with you and I feel the company should not have fired him but I ask what can this lead to with many other beliefs?
The ONLY belief that matters is the employee's. Employers must make reasonable allowances to accommodate employee's religious beliefs. Letting him skip wearing a stupid sticker for one day that nobody would even see is a reasonable request. The guy was a factory worker.

Case law precedent requires that employers allow muslim women to wear headscarves. Jews can take off certain jewish holidays, etc.

I think the only exceptions are when accommodating the employee would result in a hardship for the business. For example, an employee claims that his religion requires him to only work between 3pm and 5pm on tuesdays. In essence, when the employee's religion is in direct conflict with the job he is required to do, then the employer can take action. In this case, his job was to make plastic stuff and not to wear stickers, so there was no religious conflict with his main job description.

Of course, there is probably more to this than we have been told, I just hope for the employee's sake that he isn't lying because if he is, things will not go well for him.
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I didn't get that. What are all the references to "Rain Man" supposed to represent. Wasn't Rain Man the guy Dustin Hoffman played?
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ha yeah if you watch the whole thing (which idk if you wanna its kinda long)

They go on about the Rain Man, and say they are talking about the Devil and that they made a movie called Rain Man so that they can say thats what they are talking about...

idk about that part, that seems like a stretch to me, but the crazy thing to me was all the weird stuff in that video.... Honestly when I saw that video I thought it was odd and got an weird feeling when I watched it but didnt think anything about it, then I stumbled upon this video and was like dang thats crazy to me.

When videos flash images really fast like this one did I always wonder what image they are flashing into my subconscious...

There is also some crazy stuff about Michael Jackson, Allyiah, Kanyas mom, etc. etc. If you look up those some come from a religious (Christian, Judaism, Islamic) and others come from a more just random spiritual persuasion. Check out Professor Griff's whole take on it... Hes coming from a different place (not a monotheistic religion) yet comes to a lot of the same conclusions. And I think that this is one of the reasons some of these claims actually have a leg to stand on. You have "nuts" coming from totally different points of view coming up with the same conclusions based on the evidence theyve been given...

If you think its all nuts thats cool (I used to), just something to think about.
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I've got to wonder what evidence they have that "Rain Man" refers to the devil?

Still, its pretty odd that there are so many references to "Rain Man" in music. Too many, by different authors, to be a coincidence. Looks like there are enough that somebody knows what it means.

They used to do a think called backmastering. Its where they recorded secret messages backwards on phonograph records.

Me, I'll stick with country. That rap stuff will melt your brain.
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wasnt really trying to convince you a certain music genre is evil, just that satan worship is real and used to try and get ahead in this world, and a lot of popular artists are his servants and subliminally praise his name. Jay-Z throws up "diamonds" but we all know what it really is...

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I get asked a lot about the Book of Leviticus but I have to explain how the law has changed.

I have no tats, I do eat shell fish though and have some friends that are gay.

Did Jesus want us to keep the law as laid down in the book of Leviticus?
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I listen to everything.

wasnt really trying to convince you a certain music genre is evil, just that satan worship is real and used to try and get ahead in this world, and a lot of popular artists are his servants and subliminally praise his name. Jay-Z throws up "diamonds" but we all know what it really is...

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I get asked a lot about the Book of Leviticus but I have to explain how the law has changed.

I have no tats, I do eat shell fish though and have some friends that are gay.

Did Jesus want us to keep the law as laid down in the book of Leviticus?
Old Testament law, that was done away with for the most part with the crucifiction and resurrection of Christ.

I have gay friends as well. Not sure why thats super relevant. I dont hate gays? lol Im not Westbro status.

EDIT* I didnt really see the last part about the laws in Leviticus. But I think I kind of answered it. We actually went into great discussion in one of my classes about the old testament law... and basically what I came away with was the only part of the old testament law that is still relevant would be the morality issues. The not eating certain things and such would not even be relevant today as well. Some of those laws were clearly to keep the people of Israel safe and healthy, and have no real reason to be practiced today, again though Jesus pretty much lays down the *new* law in the New Testament.
Some say the Old Testament isnt even worth reading, while I strongly disagree with that, as there are a lot of great things and books in it (Psalms etc. etc.) Always keep in mind (unless youre a Jew) Jesus's teachings are the new "law"

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wasnt really trying to convince you a certain music genre is evil, just that satan worship is real and used to try and get ahead in this world, and a lot of popular artists are his servants and subliminally praise his name. Jay-Z throws up "diamonds" but we all know what it really is...

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He may have read the Bible cover to cover, but its clear that he got a F in reading comprehension. But he was right when he said that some people use the Bible as a tool to push their own agenda (by taking things out of context).
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He may have read the Bible cover to cover, but its clear that he got a F in reading comprehension. But he was right when he said that some people use the Bible as a tool to push their own agenda (by taking things out of context).
right, a common theme with atheists is their lack of comprehension and understanding. However a lot of "chrisitians" also lack that comprehension and understanding as well and just believe what is spoon feed to them. So thats unfortunate... :/
Question everything has always been my motto. If something doesnt make sense question it, research it, dont blindly believe anything. There is a difference between faith and blindly believing what you are told (although that may seem like a contradiction I would argue its not)

anyways of course the last part is right... lol people use statistics to push their own agenda. The Bible like pretty much everything can easily be taken out of context.
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There are a lot of interpretations of the Bible just like there are different Bibles. Things are also bound to be lost in translations.

Some of the dietary laws in the Old Testament were rendered obsolete with refrigeration and food preservatives. Mixing dairy with meat can cause problems with some people--for example, Beef Stroganoff tastes really good, but is hard to digest.

The flap over 666 seems unreal. Possibly the company was looking for a way to terminate this guy? On the other hand, is management so stupid that they were not aware that they could have very well set themselves up for a lawsuit?

The chap in the video did seem a bit inflexible and for sure not a person with a sense of humor. He could have turned the sticker upside down and had 999.

There are a lot of things worth fighting for--I think that I would have picked a different battle.
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There are a lot of interpretations of the Bible just like there are different Bibles. Things are also bound to be lost in translations.

Some of the dietary laws in the Old Testament were rendered obsolete with refrigeration and food preservatives. Mixing dairy with meat can cause problems with some people--for example, Beef Stroganoff tastes really good, but is hard to digest.

The flap over 666 seems unreal. Possibly the company was looking for a way to terminate this guy? On the other hand, is management so stupid that they were not aware that they could have very well set themselves up for a lawsuit?

The chap in the video did seem a bit inflexible and for sure not a person with a sense of humor. He could have turned the sticker upside down and had 999.

There are a lot of things worth fighting for--I think that I would have picked a different battle.
I dont read Hebrew or Greek so I cant be certain myself I guess but from what Ive read the newest NIV Bible is suppose to be the most accurate translation, keeping in mind context and the time it was written.

Some people take everything in the Bible extremely literal. Thinking everything was meant to be taken literal. I could go on and on about this stuff but Im sure most of you guys would get bored

The dude in the video seems to be one of those guys though....

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Old November 29th, 2011, 11:50 AM   #37
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Is there a symbol or statement that you would not wear when asked to by an employer?

I would refuse to wear something that made me out to be a racist, etc. i.e. I hate XXXX.

I would not wear, "I love Jesus." because I'm not a believer in that religion.

But I wouldn't have issues if others would like to scream their beliefs from the highest mountain. Lots of bikes around here have religious symbols on them and that's cool, it's something they feel is important. No harm done.

Where would you draw the line?
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No whats it about? Dont give me a lame book suggestion or I wont know if I can trust your suggestions

Ill buy it on the nook if the synopsis seems to interest me.



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The line should be drawn at safety issues and something that would disrupt the work place. Refusing to give the dude the day off or at least no wear the sticker seems a bit silly, especially seeing how intense he was about not wearing it. It seems like this could have easily been avoided....
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right, a common theme with atheists is their lack of comprehension and understanding. However a lot of "chrisitians" also lack that comprehension and understanding as well and just believe what is spoon feed to them. So thats unfortunate... :/
Question everything has always been my motto. If something doesnt make sense question it, research it, dont blindly believe anything. There is a difference between faith and blindly believing what you are told (although that may seem like a contradiction I would argue its not)

anyways of course the last part is right... lol people use statistics to push their own agenda. The Bible like pretty much everything can easily be taken out of context.
I remember reading an atheist web site where the author was talking about contradictions in the Bible. The example he gave was (sorry I forgot the verse) where God commanded a guy to dig a baptismal pond. The verse went something like: "Make the pond 21 feet across and 56 feet around and x feet deep." The atheist pointed out that 21 x PI = 66 feet not 56, claiming that God didn't know the formula for a circle. However, if you understand that the tape measure will be laid on the bottom of the pond, and account for the depth, you find that God not only knows the formula to a circle, but spherical sections as well.

I do find it interesting that Penn was trying to use reverse psychology on would-be atheists by saying that if they read the Bible cover to cover, it will make them an atheist. He spouts off inaccuracies such as "Lot's daughter was gang raped and God was Ok with that." I guess God showed his appreciation of the rapists by destroying them and everybody else in two whole cities - Sodom and Gomorrah.

I don't think many atheists realize that atheism is a religion by itself. The reason is that since there is no way possible to scientifically prove that there is no God, atheism is based on the faith and belief that God does not exist.
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