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Old November 12th, 2012, 08:23 AM   #121
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Seems like the power figures were released during the pre EICMA announcements:

Like the Honda CBR500R & Honda CB500F, the Honda CB500X uses the same modest liquid-cooled, fuel-injected, DOHC, 180° crank, parallel-twin motor that will put down 54hp at the wheel for the US market (tiered-license countries will see a 47hp machine).

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Old November 12th, 2012, 09:12 AM   #122
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I am liking the 500R and the updated 600RR.

Looking forward to some first impressions and ride reports of both.
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Old November 12th, 2012, 09:14 AM   #123
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I am liking the 500R and the updated 600RR.

Looking forward to some first impressions and ride reports of both.
Yeah I really like the look of the new 600RR. I'm digging the old school style head lights. It really separates it from all the other angular style sport bikes.
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Old November 12th, 2012, 09:18 AM   #124
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I think it is a smart move for Honda considering the gaps they had in their lineup. It does make cross shopping a bit difficult though for the consumer. You really end up with a senario like mentioned before 250->300->500->650->700 with alot of overlap across bikes with power/price concessions
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Old November 12th, 2012, 09:30 AM   #125
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$5,999 for the CBR500R

and

$5,499 for the CB500F


Not bad, not bad at all. Of course I WON'T be buying one because with that kinda of money I could get a used 600 SS!


I am intrigued by the CB500X. I would love to have an affordable, reliable adventure bike to explore the US.
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Old November 12th, 2012, 09:49 AM   #126
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Sure it's only a 500 but it wieghs as much as the 1000 so why do they insist on single rotor 2 piston caliper brakes? Is it to much to ask for dual 4 piston 300mm brakes?

It's only about 50 pounds heavier than the Ninja 300. I don't see why it would need dual rotors. It's not a SS and it won't need to be slowed down from 130+mph. The 500 is made to be a practical sport bike. Not a race machine. I think people will be fine with their single rotor 2 piston caliper brakes. Look at us ninjette riders, we have made it just fine.
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Old November 12th, 2012, 10:12 AM   #127
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It's only about 50 pounds heavier than the Ninja 300. I don't see why it would need dual rotors. It's not a SS and it won't need to be slowed down from 130+mph. The 500 is made to be a practical sport bike. Not a race machine. I think people will be fine with their single rotor 2 piston caliper brakes. Look at us ninjette riders, we have made it just fine.
Maybe I ride my bike harder then most but I hate my ninja 250 brakes. I guess if you have never experienced good brake before then you'll never miss it.
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Old November 12th, 2012, 10:21 AM   #128
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This definitely makes my decision a little tougher for next season! I flirted with the Ninja 650 but glad I held off. I was really intrigued by the NC700X as a commuter but these 500s, especially in that price range, grabs my attention more. I don't see myself riding a supersport so these new bikes are right up my alley.
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Old November 12th, 2012, 10:34 AM   #129
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Maybe I ride my bike harder then most but I hate my ninja 250 brakes. I guess if you have never experienced good brake before then you'll never miss it.
IMO people make a big deal about the technical specification of the brakes (# of rotors, # of disks, monobloc vs floating) - but the things that matter are feel for trust and effectiveness. I've experienced floating single disc brakes which can stop better then monoblocs, just based on feel and trust.

I agree the brakes on budget bikes are usually god awful, but it's not so much the actual technical specification as much as the brake system components are budget, and the pads themselves are usually the cheapest you can get.
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Old November 12th, 2012, 10:37 AM   #130
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Old November 12th, 2012, 10:43 AM   #131
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IMO people make a big deal about the technical specification of the brakes (# of rotors, # of disks, monobloc vs floating) - but the things that matter are feel for trust and effectiveness. I've experienced floating single disc brakes which can stop better then monoblocs, just based on feel and trust.

I agree the brakes on budget bikes are usually god awful, but it's not so much the actual technical specification as much as the brake system components are budget, and the pads themselves are usually the cheapest you can get.
No actualy for what is on the bike I think they work great but its just a far cry from what I'd like to feel when I go into a turn hard on the binders. I should probably just go by an R-6 and remove the two outside spark plugs
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Maybe I ride my bike harder then most but I hate my ninja 250 brakes. I guess if you have never experienced good brake before then you'll never miss it.
I know what you mean. But not all single rotor brakes suck. My KLX 250SF has an awesome twin-piston caliper with a 300 mm petal disc up front. It has a way better feel than my 06 Ninja 250.

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No actualy for what is on the bike I think they work great but its just a far cry from what I'd like to feel when I go into a turn hard on the binders. I should probably just go by an R-6 and remove the two outside spark plugs

Or buy the 500 and do a front end swap off a CBR600.
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Old November 12th, 2012, 11:58 AM   #133
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What do you guys think are the main differences in the three bikes that account for their different model names and price tags? I'm really considering getting one of these as my next commuter bike if I can't find a cb400.
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Old November 12th, 2012, 01:43 PM   #134
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The CBR600RR is an atrocity of a machine, at least from certain angles.

Side on it looks like the Alien's face



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Old November 12th, 2012, 01:50 PM   #135
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The 600RR does feel like a bit of a disappointment to me. It was redesigned almost completely in 2007, immediately jumped to the head of the class, but has steadily fallen backwards as time passes. This minor redesign for 2013 is still so itty-bitty, that you wonder how much of its development budget is still aimed at its supersport bikes. At this rate, the 2015 model 600RR will not be significantly different from the 2007 model. Compare that to where Honda's 600 was in 1999, and how far it came to get to that 2007 iteration.
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Old November 12th, 2012, 02:34 PM   #136
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I'm less than impressed with the 500R. The thing it reminds me most of is the Kawasaki Ninja500 and they phased that out due to lack of interest. I don't know why Honda would attempt what Kawi couldn't do by marketing such a vanilla 500. I was hoping it would be a bit more radical in styling and lighter than a 600.
I'm sort of hoping Yamaha will jump in with a 400 that will smoke both these new Hondas as well as the Ninja 300 by offering a bike with all the current tech and less attention to keeping the price as low as possible.
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Old November 12th, 2012, 02:40 PM   #137
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I'll be interested to see the economy numbers on the 500. Honda did an impressive job with the NC700 -- averaging better fuel economy than our 300s do -- but had to sacrifice some personality for it. If the 500 performs better than the 300 by a margin, is a bit more comfortable for longer riding, and still eeks out close to the 300s economy numbers, they would have my interest.

Personally, I'm jazzed about the new small-displacement ground war!
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Old November 12th, 2012, 02:50 PM   #138
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I'm liking the Honda red (ABS):




The all chrome exhaust looks dated and out of place but that can be fixed. Looking forward to reading some riding reports. I'm wondering with the fairing design if all the engine heat is going to be directed right at the knees of the rider.
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Old November 12th, 2012, 02:52 PM   #139
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You have to think also that this fills in alot of gaps in Honda's offerings, regardless of what the other three are doing. Honda just didn't have a sporty/standard/adv entry bike and now they have more options than to shake a stick at. If I was in the market for a new bike, I would be looking heavily at them.
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I am digging the new CB1100. Old school awesomeness with modern technology
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I'm less than impressed with the 500R. The thing it reminds me most of is the Kawasaki Ninja500 and they phased that out due to lack of interest. I don't know why Honda would attempt what Kawi couldn't do by marketing such a vanilla 500.
I had an EX500 (same thing as the Ninja 500) and it was a great bike. It died more because the 650 was (and is) aimed squarely at the same market segment. Choice: A fresh design with a bigger, more powerful engine, or 1980s styling and a smaller motor? Of course it got killed.

They could have done what they did with the Ninjette and had a winner. A Ninja 500R styled like the newgen 250? I'd have been all over that like crabs on Snooki.
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I'm really excited to see the naked 500 come to the states as well, but it may be going up against a fortified contender in the Gladius as Suzuki will be re-releasing it for 2013 so hopefully it'll get a true chance. I'm hoping to catch a chance to ride the new line up from Honda, especially the CB1100. I've been wishing for this come to the states and it looks like it finally is.


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I'm wondering with the fairing design if all the engine heat is going to be directed right at the knees of the rider.

Don't worry, if that's the case (which hopefully it isn't) then they have a solution to your problem. And it's $500 cheaper.

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I like what I see of the new 500. The new 600RR is going to need some time to grow on me. I like the tail a lot better since it has the light in the tail instead of on the fender, but the front end is one that only a mother could love from the side. I like the big piston fork, and I like that they kept the under-tail exhaust/ I'm also wondering what "line-beam headlights" are? Is that just a Halogen projector? Other than that, it seems like it's the same old cibber in new fairings.

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Sure it's only a 500 but it wieghs as much as the 1000 so why do they insist on single rotor 2 piston caliper brakes? Is it to much to ask for dual 4 piston 300mm brakes?
It's wearing a 120 front and 160 rear. Why not just do a front end swap with an older CBR600 and swap the rear wheel to match? Then you'd have dual disks and cool rims.
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It's about time Honda! Loving the new line up! Just feels like they almost got it... I'd like to see a little lighter and more powerful bikes......

The CBR500 and CB500 are going to make a lovely affordable option for some. While on the heavy side, Honda is king of mass centralization. My 490 lbs monster feels 250ish once rolling. Look to be great commuter bikes with tons of ability. Hopefully Honda doesn't kill a good thing with crazy prices.

Now, I completely disagree with everyone on the CBR600RR. That bike is beautiful, especially in the HRC Tri-color! So what it got a face and suspension lift, Honda is notorious for not messing with a good thing. It is not out of line for them to run a power-train package for up to a decade(average is about 5 years, I believe.) You can bet they are perfecting the next generation power trains during that time.

Plus...did you see the CB1100? The old man in me wants one of those things so bad!
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I know this thread is focused on the 500 and not the 600, but the more I look at the 600, the more I'm digging it. From the front, it looks like the previous era R6:
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pfft why are you guys talking about some ugly baby cbr600 when you could be talking about the MV Agusta Brutale 800. Sexiest naked bike ever.
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Meh, still not digging the new 600RR, I really liked the look of the last gen front end, this one kind of looks like an afterthough. Maybe in person though? The CBR500 is really capturing my attention though. Not going to buy any new bike soon but it does have me thinking lol.
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The CBR 500 just looks like the teenage version of the 2013 CBR 250...really wish they would have semi styled it after the CBR 600, but whatever. I would upgrade to it either way. I prefer black bikes but that red in the 500cc is sweeeeeeet.

Now if Kawasaki brings back the 500 ninja with a new body style I would definitely go with that over the Honda CBR.
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Meh, still not digging the new 600RR, I really liked the look of the last gen front end, this one kind of looks like an afterthough. Maybe in person though? The CBR500 is really capturing my attention though. Not going to buy any new bike soon but it does have me thinking lol.
When you have a bike as sexy as yours, how can you even consider "digging" the new ceeber? lol
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I'm really excited to see the naked 500 come to the states as well, but it may be going up against a fortified contender in the Gladius as Suzuki will be re-releasing it for 2013 so hopefully it'll get a true chance. I'm hoping to catch a chance to ride the new line up from Honda, especially the CB1100. I've been wishing for this come to the states and it looks like it finally is.


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Honda needs to sack it's design team & get someone competent, the CBR 600f is the best of the bunch, and it's the new cruiser goldwing is the best looking of the new ones...

When a sportsbike fan prefers a cheaper sport tourer & a cruiser they'll never buy to your brand new supersport there's a problem. When your competitor puts a slipper clutch on a 300, but you don't foot one to your race rep there's a problem
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