Opera shunning ninjette!

[Ninjinsky]

Hi Guys
I am migrating to Opera browser.
Unfortunately when I try to open ninjette .org It refuses to open it and gives me the warning
"Invalid Server Certificate"

There is no disregard button, just a "back to safety" button so itis impossible to open.
Anyone have a solution?

[Sirref]

migrate to chrome?

unfortunately I've never used opera so that's all I've got
@Alex may be able to help though

[alex.s]

i have issues accessing it with an old version of chrome on my windows box, but it works fine on an older or newever version of chrome on my macbook and works fine on any version in linux. firefox works everywhere though. p.s. opera sucks

[Alex]

I just installed Opera, and am having no issues with the site, coming in at ninjette.org or www.ninjette.org. What version are you using?



This page lists the browsers that this cert is supposed to be compatible with:

http://support.godaddy.com/help/arti...ompatible-with

It's possible that you're just missing a root certificate. It should be in all recent versions of all major browsers, but if for some reason it isn't, you can download it from that Repository link at the bottom of that godaddy page, and just install the top root cert into your browser.

[Jiggles]

I use opera and have never had an issue with ninjette. Reinstall?

[Ninjinsky]

Thanks guys I have to uninstall and reinstall right back to version 12 or I get this (click to full size) Maybe it's a UK thing?
shorty.jpg

[Alex]

I'd try installing that starfield root certificate. It's at the bottom of that GoDaddy page, or here is a direct link. For some reason your browser isn't recognizing the certificate properly. In Opera, go to settings, privacy and security, then manage certificates. Import the one that you just downloaded.

[DaBlue1]

Is the date and time correct on your computer?

[csmith12]

Originally Posted by DaBlue1

Is the date and time correct on your computer?

Lol, it's always something like that.

[DaBlue1]

Originally Posted by DaBlue1

Is the date and time correct on your computer?

Originally Posted by csmith12

Lol, it's always something like that.

I know right?

Some certificates are verified by date. In SSL and TLS the client and the server inform each other of their current time. A wrong clock may look like an invalid or expired certificate.

[alex.s]

i just installed that root cert.


here's what it looks like this morning on windows XP (it works fine on the mac)

[Jiggles]

I think it's time to wipe your hard drive and start over

[Alex]

That root cert is in that chrome install? I'm at a loss.

It's a cert error somewhere, so if there is a fix to be found, it's why the valid cert isn't being recognized by the browser. Is that XP box running service pack 2 or SP3? (I only ask because SP3 evidently added new root certificate information). I wouldn't think it would apply to the individual chrome install, but there is a problem somewhere. You should also be able to look at the entire list of certs that is in that chrome browser, and compare it to that same list of certs on the chrome browser on your other PC that's working.

If I had my druthers, I'd have SSL as optional here, and just up to the user whether they use the https:// or http:// versions. Unfortunately, there is no clean way to make both work seamlessly. The board URL can really only be one or the other. Whichever one I choose, the other use case has unsurmountable issues, not so much on just the forums page itself, but some of the addons like the wiki, the portal page, the blog, etc. The only way to make everything work without people running into very frequent problems and errors is to cut bait and push everything over.

I do not like the fact that there are apparently going to be some users with particular setups that are going to have issues accessing this site with SSL. My cert provider is saying that things should work, as already configured, with 99%+ of the browsers in use right now on the internet. That is why I am so interested in tracking down where some of these errors do show up, as I haven't been able to replicate any of them on my side yet, so it's very hard to troubleshoot or give recommendations.

[alex.s]

i just finished updating windows. now chrome works fine on ninjette. peculiar.

[Ninjinsky]

OKAY! We have a solution.
I upgraded from SP2 to SP3 she fired up in Opera first push of the button.
Not sure why because Firefox and IE were fine under SP2
Its always the last thing you try!
So thanks for your efforts team

[adouglas]

Ah, Windoze... so simple, so elegant....

[EsrTek]

It's not windows fault if ppl do not update their machines....sorry but pure PBKAC issue.

[Ninjinsky]

Originally Posted by EsrTek

It's not windows fault if ppl do not update their machines....sorry but pure PBKAC issue.

I wouldn't be so quick with the PBKAC insult button.

I didn't install it at the time because I have an AMD processor and there were quite a few stories about problems installing it on AMD systems. eg.
http://www.computerhope.com/forum/in...?topic=78919.0

It was a rational "if it ain't broke" decision, and indeed this was the first glitch in 5 years with sp2

[Alex]

With Microsoft officially ending support for Windows XP as of 2 days ago, it's going to be harder and harder to justify keeping any system of any value, with any useful data on it, on that OS at this point. It's just going to get uglier and uglier over the next few months. That said, there are still a reasonable number of users on XP that I hope can get to SP3 if they aren't upgrading to 7 or 8 in the near term. It looks like roughly 5% of ninjette.org users here in the past 30 days are using XP. (these totals aren't page views, they are visits, which groups all related page views as one visit)

OS in general



Windows OS - split by version reported

[NevadaWolf]

Originally Posted by Ninjinsky

Its always the last thing you try!

Well, yeah.... Why would you keep trying after you've got it working?


:runs away:

[Ninjinsky]

Er Yes Nevadawolf, that's the "last thing" joke.

Anyway, re XP. I have never used updates since 2004 because I don't trust Microsoft not to put stuff on my machine especially since the Snowden revelations. I mean sp 3 was 300 meg compressed! What is all that stuff? nothing really visibly changed so what have they just put on my machine? Anything could be in there. (see Microsoft's NSAKEY for example)

I tried windows 7 and hated it. It was like my PC had morphed into Mac. It started hiding files in obscure places of its own choosing and being weird generally so I went back to XP and have never looked forward.

[Alex]

Having some concerns about trust is something that can be properly debated and discussed. Translating those concerns into trusting code that was written 10 years ago as OK, while all of the patches/updates/fixes that have been required in the intervening 10 years as not OK, doesn't stand up to much scrutiny. "Protecting" oneself by not keeping up with security-related patches is analogous to jumping out of a plane without a parachute because you can't trust the guy that packs them.

[csmith12]

Originally Posted by alex.s

i just finished updating windows. now chrome works fine on ninjette. peculiar.

[alex.s]

did you know that the level of windows 95 viruses actually active these days is basically 0 because nobody uses it anymore?

xp64 bit doesn't work with 95% of the **** i try to run on it. which includes most viruses written for non64 xp.

not scared of the future, scared of ****** OSes. the Future is android-desktop, bro.

[Ninjinsky]

LoL Alex You're probably right I'm not going to debate the contents of updates with a techy, you will slay me with the sword of I.T. wisdom
However I just read that there have been 300 'updates' for xp compared to only about 30 for Mac os x. which I find interesting don't you?
Was XP really that bad?
Anyways after a decade of freefall with no probs I now have the sp3 parachute. So sleep easy
Regards
Ninjinsky

[alex.s]

Mac has fewer bugs because it's based on older, better vetted bsd code.

[Alex]

Originally Posted by Ninjinsky

However I just read that there have been 300 'updates' for xp compared to only about 30 for Mac os x. which I find interesting don't you?

Not particularly. Windows has succeeded by prioritizing interoperability above all else, and security was always a bolt-on when people found all of the gaping holes in an iffy architecture. Microsoft has come a long way over the past 10 years, and that change started right around the time of XP SP2. Part of remaining secure is responding to the holes that are found over time, and they put in a methodology that helped them respond reliably over time. That is coupled with public transparency and predictably about the patch releases (2nd Tuesday of each month).

Apple has a different philosophy, which roughly translates to: 'We have no security issues, and if we did, we wouldn't tell you". Until the uproar gets loud enough, and then a patch is released on a random and unpredictable schedule. From an architecture standpoint, the BSD core is more reliable and generally more trustworthy, but like all code, problems inevitably make themselves known over time.

Originally Posted by Ninjinsky

Was XP really that bad?

When released, it was the most secure, reliable, and generally highest quality OS that Microsoft had released to that point. But - they had to basically re-write vast portions of it for SP2, as an entire security update. And they have had to release monthly patches for many, many years as holes continue to be discovered and fixed along the way. You can only fix the potholes for so long before it makes more sense to build a new road. Choosing to not believe that the holes could affect you isn't based on an informed risk assessment, it's a wivestale that can be disproven in moments by a full malware scan on any internet-connected machine that hasn't been patched in years.

Here's a high-level list, from Microsoft, about everything that was fixed just in that SP3 update you installed:

http://support.microsoft.com/kb/946480

[alex.s]

honestly though, these days, what client is actually directly on the internet? everybody goes through routers these days. eliminates 99% of the risk. the left over 1% is up to the user to click on ****.

[Alex]

Just about every client that is doing anything interesting is connecting to the internet. Being behind a router or even firewall does protect against a huge number of external attacks. If the machine doesn't have the port open, it's a rare occurrence for a remote compromise.

But that's not the attack vector anymore. It's compromised websites, taking advantage of weak browsers and even weaker plug-ins. Many don't require user input, so the generally useful advice of "just don't click on anything stupid" isn't wrong, but it's not a comprehensive solution. If you're running an out of date browser, Adobe Flash, Shockwave, Java, .NET, and a few other heavy hitters in a similar vein, given enough time, you will come across an exploit online. It's not only about going to trusted websites either, as over the past 2 or 3 years, they are coming in through malicious ad modules that are being pulled into otherwise trustworthy sites.

[Ninjinsky]

Thanks Alex, its been an education

[Alex]

You're welcome! - it's a fun space (and it's basically what finances my motorcycle addiction).

If people are interested in figuring out which software on their Windows PC appears to be out of date, I've had great luck over the years with:

http://www.filehippo.com/updatechecker (free, quick, and useful)

Quick scanner, takes file versions & compares it online; it then pops up a page with all of your software that has newer updates available, along with a direct ilnk to download the update packages. It does save a huge chunk of time rather than going individually from program to program along the way.

Between the standard O/S updates, the app/program updates via something like filehippo or other update info source, and auto-updating/free malware detection (Microsoft Security Essentials + malwarebytes would meet the needs of almost all individual users), keeping a machine updated & relatively secure can be low effort and highly reliable for most personal use.


references:

http://windowsupdate.microsoft.com (will work directly for XP and earlier, for later OS's it will show how to access the same functionality in the control panel)

http://windows.microsoft.com/en-us/w...tials-download (free, effective AV that is very quick & lightweight)

https://www.malwarebytes.org/ (free, effective anti-malware tool that can be useful every couple weeks or if you have a hunch you may have some unwanted code)

Between those 3 + the filehippo one above, there's not much else that any general user ever needs to buy or do to keep their windows pc happy & healthy for years.

[EsrTek]

Originally Posted by Ninjinsky

I wouldn't be so quick with the PBKAC insult button.

I meant to have the tongue icon there "" to indicate I wan't being serious...

[Ninjinsky]

Originally Posted by EsrTek

I meant to have the tongue icon there "" to indicate I wan't being serious...

We're cool

[allanoue]

Originally Posted by Ninjinsky

OKAY! We have a solution.
I upgraded from SP2 to SP3 she fired up in Opera first push of the button.
Not sure why because Firefox and IE were fine under SP2
Its always the last thing you try!
So thanks for your efforts team

When I am fixing something. The fix is always the last thing I try, then I stop.

When I am looking for something it is always in the last place I look, then I stop looking.

When I am beating a dead horse, well I just keep beating it

[Alex]

Originally Posted by allanoue

When I am beating a dead horse, well I just keep beating it

You have to stop at some point.