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Old March 15th, 2016, 02:01 PM   #1
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Old March 15th, 2016, 11:23 PM   #2
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I signed but rules of the road are set by the states. The only way the Fed can affect rules of the road is by extortion.
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I signed but rules of the road are set by the states. The only way the Fed can affect rules of the road is by extortion.
The feds will take away highway funding if they don't get their way all the time.
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not sure how i feel about this one. State Rights>Fed Rights.
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not sure how i feel about this one. State Rights>Fed Rights.
But Your rights>The Government's rights, and if you believe that you should be able to lane split if you wanted to, then sign the petition.
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that is not 100% true all the time, research how 55mph became the "unmarked" speed limit
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But Your rights>The Government's rights, and if you believe that you should be able to lane split if you wanted to, then sign the petition.
that is a slippery slope that we are already climbing these days. there is already too much federal power, even if i like the idea, the general public will not know its legal and we will still have problems.
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that is a slippery slope that we are already climbing these days. there is already too much federal power, even if i like the idea, the general public will not know its legal and we will still have problems.
I come from a nice town where people have a lot of respect for motorcycles, however, I lane split all the time, and I've never had a problem. I hear horror stories, but I can't imagine lane splitting being that big of a problem.

About the federal government having to much power, I would prefer the government to have as little power as possible, but if somebody has to set the rules, who would be better for the job than the federal government.
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As a motorcyclist, I would never consider lane-splitting, legal or not.
As a car driver, I would never want to have a motorcycle split lanes next to me, legal or not.

I'm definitely a believer that motorcycles should not be driven significantly differently than cars, nor should they have special rights.
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I come from a nice town where people have a lot of respect for motorcycles, however, I lane split all the time, and I've never had a problem. I hear horror stories, but I can't imagine lane splitting being that big of a problem
Come to Jersey for a bit and get back to me.

People here are aggressive drivers to start. "Cut in line" and they go nuts. Doesn't matter that it will have 0 effect on them.
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Old March 16th, 2016, 09:53 AM   #14
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I'm definitely a believer that motorcycles should not be driven significantly differently than cars, nor should they have special rights.
I may be incorrect but i believe lane splitting came about to prevent overheating in air cooled motorcycles... Not for special rights to be better than people in cars.

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Old March 16th, 2016, 10:03 AM   #15
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I may be incorrect but i believe lane splitting came about to prevent overheating in air cooled motorcycles... Not for special rights to be better than people in cars.

I think anyway.
That seems at least slightly more legitimate, but that's also not the reasoning that I've heard for the current intent. (Alternatively, don't take your vehicle into situations that it can't handle -- car, motorcycle, bicycle, whatever.)
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I may be incorrect but i believe lane splitting came about to prevent overheating in air cooled motorcycles... Not for special rights to be better than people in cars.

I think anyway.
Because of living in cornfield Indiana, whenever I keep my vehicle running and stationary for more than 30 seconds I always get worried that it is going to overheat.
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We have other threads debating lane splitting. Feel free to add your

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As a motorcyclist, I would never consider lane-splitting, legal or not.
As a car driver, I would never want to have a motorcycle split lanes next to me, legal or not.

I'm definitely a believer that motorcycles should not be driven significantly differently than cars, nor should they have special rights.
Lane splitting is proven to help the flow of traffic.
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I signed the petition. I don't think I would lane split if traffic was moving very fast, but here in the DC area sitting at a stand still is the norm. I don't see how the guys on air cooled bikes can even ride in the summer during rush hour.

However I really wish I could sneak up to the front of the line when there are a whole bunch of cars at a stop light.
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I'd heard it started with air-cooled engines that would overheat stopped in traffic. Hel, even my little radiator-cooled girl gets hot stopped at lights, so I can see some logic.

As a driver, other riders splitting doesn't phase me but I talk to a lot of people who get freaked out, and I try to explain how to behave to them. Husband will split with me on the back sometimes, and I get how it works. I'm new enough to riding that I'm not doing it yet, for sure, but once I get enough experience? Sure, sometimes. Every bike that splits is one that's not taking up room in traffic and helps everybody behind them just a tiny bit. Just don't be dumb about it.
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^^^ +1 for the high-compression air-cooled bike crowd. As far as I can remember, it was the original motive behind legal lane splitting.

Chris is on point with the comment about how lane splitting helps to improve the flow of traffic.
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I have a completely different reason to support lane splitting and I come from the position of having been against it up until two years ago. I, too, thought it was just cutting in line then I got smart.

My personal reason is that regardless of what bike the rider is on, being stuck in traffic and sitting still for even a few minutes in the heat of summer puts severe stress on the rider. Without a means of effectively cooling off, a rider in full gear runs a risk of heat related illnesses. Between the heat pounding down on you and the heat radiating up, it gets rather toasty quickly. Even if you are wearing gear that is meant to keep you cool, without some sort of air flow, you just cook. Twice I got stuck in traffic in extreme heat - once in El Paso, TX during rush hour in late June 2014 and again in Las Vegas rush hour in July 2015. Heat exhaustion, bordering on heat stroke, SUCKS when on a bike.

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I may be incorrect but i believe lane splitting came about to prevent overheating in air cooled motorcycles... Not for special rights to be better than people in cars.

I think anyway.
It reduces congestion & means that you're a lot less likely to be sandwiched if some idiot fails to stop.

In flowing traffic the bikes take up the same space as a car would, but when it all slows down the bikes split & that car length is freed up.

The French Federation of Angry Bikers protested a bike law by riding their bikes as if they were cars, and to the letter of the law. They brought the country to a complete standstill
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As a motorcyclist, I would never consider lane-splitting, legal or not.
1)As a car driver, I would never want to have a motorcycle split lanes next to me, legal or not.

2)I'm definitely a believer that motorcycles should not be driven significantly differently than cars, nor should they have special rights.

1) You're probably best off not leaving the USA so. It's legal pretty much everywhere else, people are very used to it. They either maintain heading and speed or some even move to give you more room to pass. If someone makes room you pass them, give them a wave & continue on your way.

Do you feel thatyou can not keep your vehicle under control in a straight line? if so you should not be on the road

2)Do you also sit down to piss? Use your equipment to it's advantages.
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I agree. I'm starting a petition to ban motorcycle trails that a boat, car, or horse drawn carriage can't successfully navigate. Equal vehicle rights for all!
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I have ridden motorcycles around the world in many different countries that don't have laws specifically pertaining to motorcycle lane-splitting in any traffic pattern.

IMO, the problem in this country is that drivers are not accustom to motorcycles on public roads.

Drivers fail to understand what two-wheel vehicles are more maneuverable and well capable of safely operating within close proximity among cars.

Sure, a$$hat motorcyclists do exist that cause accidents, but likely in the minority when compared to drivers talking or txting on cellphones while operating their vehicles. The few that do cause accidents put a bad name for all motorcyclists, just like the few that pop wheelies in traffic and speed excessively and get away without causing accidents.

Whether federal laws would effect each state is not what's important; what's important is that if there is a federal law that allow lane-splitting, more likely more states would adopt similar.. and more motorcycles might be on the roads.. more drivers notice motorcycles.. maybe safer for all motorcycles?

I currently work/live in NyC metro area. While on 2-wheel, I filter, go between the car mirrors whenever traffic gets slower than 5-10 mph. Passed by many LEOs while filtering, sometimes the LEO's even wave my through the intersections.
I feel much safer doing so vs sitting still in traffic waiting to get hit or tolerate the car horns.
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In NYC people have smaller "personal space bubbles" b/c of the population density. I lane split here and nobody seems to mind.

PA is a very pro-motorcycle state (MSF is free, no helmet laws) but when I lane split there people lose their minds. It feels like they think I'm inside their space and they react accordingly.
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PA is a very pro-motorcycle state (MSF is free, no helmet laws) but when I lane split there people lose their minds. It feels like they think I'm inside their space and they react accordingly.
Majority of the animosity towards lane-splitting is because it's not stated as legal in most states; most drivers consider lane-splitting the same as passing on the shoulder.

The speed you travel while lane-splitting also contribute to the hostility against motorcyclists.
I usually never travel above 3 to 5 mph over the traffic flow while lane-splitting.
Passing cars at only 3 to 5 mph above their speed usually do not trigger as much hostility;
but the faster you move among cars, the hostility from drivers seem to grow accordingly.
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Similar to most political issues; unless it's knocking at the front door or affecting immediate family/friends, there is no need to get involved or try to understand the reason for it.

No wonder why this country is going down the tubes.
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Similar to most political issues; unless it's knocking at the front door or affecting immediate family/friends, there is no need to get involved or try to understand the reason for it.

No wonder why this country is going down the tubes.
Or maybe because this has been attempted multiple times and only one, single Whitehouse.gov petition has actually had any kind of outcome other than being ignored.

And also because this will do nothing to legalize lane splitting. Zip, zero, zilch, nada. People aren't stupid...they know this is rather pointless. It's a state level affair, not Federal level.

The MOST effective thing you can do is find out who represents you at your local government meetings and bill readings to defend motorcyclists and put forth bills and changes on your behalf. However, this will require much more work that typing a few letters and clicking "Submit".

If you want something to happen, get involved. Stop wasting time on silly internet petitions and do something.
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Or maybe because this has been attempted multiple times and only one, single Whitehouse.gov petition has actually had any kind of outcome other than being ignored.

And also because this will do nothing to legalize lane splitting. Zip, zero, zilch, nada. People aren't stupid...they know this is rather pointless. It's a state level affair, not Federal level.

The MOST effective thing you can do is find out who represents you at your local government meetings and bill readings to defend motorcyclists and put forth bills and changes on your behalf. However, this will require much more work that typing a few letters and clicking "Submit".

If you want something to happen, get involved. Stop wasting time on silly internet petitions and do something.
By simply learning about LANE-SHARING, a person would have gained some insight that it's a good practice when done safely. Saying that this is pointless and accomplish zero is just counter productive to motorcycle population in general.

What makes you think that I have not tried other paths or been involved in other ways? Your accusation seem baseless and inaccurate.
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The speed you travel while lane-splitting also contribute to the hostility against motorcyclists.
I usually never travel above 3 to 5 mph over the traffic flow while lane-splitting.
Passing cars at only 3 to 5 mph above their speed usually do not trigger as much hostility;
but the faster you move among cars, the hostility from drivers seem to grow accordingly.
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