fender eliminator questions

[the jelly man]

So are all fender eliminators illegal? i see a lot of people on here have them just wondering if they are legal or not. I was thinking about getting one but not sure which one. Saw people on here like the yoshimura and a couple others. Is it worth $100 for a kit?

[Yakaru]

It can vary by where you live, of course. I believe that in general (at least North America wise) so long as you have rear turn signals and a plate lamp you're okay. IANAL.

[broilmebk]

Originally Posted by Yakaru

It can vary by where you live, of course. I believe that in general (at least North America wise) so long as you have rear turn signals and a plate lamp you're okay. IANAL.

^Pretty much
FWIW I've had mine on with only integrated brakelight for over 6 months and no problems

[broilmebk]

Oh, and welcome Stefan!

[the jelly man]

Haha thanks for the welcome. I just bought my 250 and was looking around at what people have done to them and have liked the look of the fender eliminator. Now it's just a decision of what one to get. Also does anyone know of good mirror extenders cause I can't see anything in my mirrors when I'm riding

[rojoracing53]

Modify you stock fender and just make a 6" L bracket out of aluminum to mount the plate and blinkers. Costs maybe 2 hours of fun time with your bike and like $10 if that.

[the jelly man]

Does anyone have a how to on modifying their fender?

[rojoracing53]

Read through this
http://www.ninjette.org/forums/showthread.php?t=964

[the jelly man]

Thanks I'll have to try that. So is an integrated taillight one that has the blinkers in it? cause I would like to get rid of those also

[broilmebk]

Yes, but like the aftermarket FE it's in the gray area.

[the jelly man]

Is there a law about the blinkers or something like that?

[xSean13]

Some states designate that the turn signals must be a certain distance apart, so if they're integrated into the tail light, then you'd violate that. I've seen where someone has put holes in the rear plastic areas of the fender and installed LEDs to illuminate when their brake lights go on, and you could do the same except make them blink as turn signals, in addition to your integrated tail light

As for the fender eliminator, I'd just do it yourself...chop it off, sand it, touch it up with paint if needed, then get some L brackets from home depot or wherever for your license plate...way cheaper and similarly effective.

[rojoracing53]

Here's my setup using the OEM fender. Originally I had a fixed bracket to hold the plate but for bridge tolls and other unsavory characters I changed it to a hinge. The hinge is illegal so I suggest you go with a solid L shaped braket, and the intergrated tail light and blinkers are also illegal but seldomly enforced so unless you go outa your way to piss off a cop they won't bother with you.

Link to original page on YouTube.

[the jelly man]

Nice video. Hmmm maybe I won't to the integrated tails to avoid getting pulled over lol. Does anyone have a how to for mirror extenders? Or anything I could do to see out my mirrors cause all I see is my shoulder lol

[choneofakind]

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Mirror-Exten...ee5d91&vxp=mtr

[the jelly man]

Thanks for the link ill look into those. They stick out far to actually be functional? Jason with the extra lights does that make your lights legal again?

[rojoracing53]

Originally Posted by the jelly man

Thanks for the link ill look into those. They stick out far to actually be functional? Jason with the extra lights does that make your lights legal again?

To the letter of the law I believe NO but it's very visible when using my signals so its safe and won't catch a cops attention as being dangerous and squidish. Even if you keep the blinkers I'd still go with the intergrated LED tail light simply becuase they have the strobe flash when first applied and are three times brighter.

My blinkers are more then 8-9" apart but I think they are to far away from the brake light(to far forward) to legal.

If you go the route of modding your fender like I did I'd be happy to make you a braket to mount the licence plate but it so easy to make your self I say why not.

[rojoracing53]

Licence plate bolts with built in led lights to light the plate after you chop the fender. They're online or any local cycle gear.

[the jelly man]

Where would I look up the law for a specific state with the taillight? I Google it but cant seem to find an answer. I talked to a guy at my work and said he has had an integrated taillight on his r1 for years and hasn't had a problem

[rojoracing53]

Originally Posted by the jelly man

Where would I look up the law for a specific state with the taillight? I Google it but cant seem to find an answer. I talked to a guy at my work and said he has had an integrated taillight on his r1 for years and hasn't had a problem

Dude if your that worried about being legal to the letter of the law then leave to stock, it comes that way because that is what is legal. Almost any fender mod is going to be illegal, but at the same time unless you riding like a or your machine has a 4 foot swingarm and covered in chrome no one will give you any trouble. Just remember if someone says that they've been riding like that for years without any problems doesn't make it legal, but simply not in enforced.

Your states DMV site should have a link on it to motor vehicle regulations somewhere, you just need to search at bit.

Just a note, I had a rather serious incident with the police awhile back where they detained me for around 45 mins in the back of a police car trying to pin any infractions against me but in the end they couldn't prove anything so they let me go clear and free. My bike all the while was exactly as it was in the video and they never said anything about my mods so I'd say I'm rather safe

A ninja 250 can out run a single motorcycle cop but escaping a dozen cops closing in on you in the middle of a city from every direction is a bit more challenging

[choneofakind]

Originally Posted by rojoracing53

Just a note, I had a rather serious incident with the police awhile back where they detained me for around 45 mins in the back of a police car trying to pin any infractions against me but in the end they couldn't prove anything so they let me go clear and free. My bike all the while was exactly as it was in the video and they never said anything about my mods so I'd say I'm rather safe

A ninja 250 can out run a single motorcycle cop but escaping a dozen cops closing in on you in the middle of a city from every direction is a bit more challenging

...details sir!! Pronto.

[the jelly man]

Very well put. I think I'll risk it and get an integrated and see what happens

[rojoracing53]

Originally Posted by choneofakind

...details sir!! Pronto.

Never going to happen, that's how you get in trouble

[SabreValkyrn]

See http://www.ninjette.org/forums/showthread.php?t=123217 for legality/integrated discussion.

[choneofakind]

Originally Posted by rojoracing53

Never going to happen, that's how you get in trouble

...well come back and tell me in a year. The statute of limitations on a traffic violation is a year right?

[the jelly man]

On the Ama website under the state of idaho it says turns signals are not required on the road? Does that mean an integrated taillight is ok?

[SabreValkyrn]

Everywhere I can find also says turn signals are not required in Idaho by Idaho State Law. Huh. But it's required by federal/DOT law.

If it isn't required by State Law, the Idaho State police shouldn't be able to ticket you? As others have said, don't be an ass, be visible, and you shouldn't have issues.

[the jelly man]

Alright thanks

[SabreValkyrn]

You could also ask a motorcycle cop or try and contact a state inspector. Document who, when, badge number, and what they said just to cover yourself though.

[the jelly man]

I'll try and find someone to talk to

[GearMonkey]

Originally Posted by rojoracing53

A ninja 250 can out run a single motorcycle cop but escaping a dozen cops closing in on you in the middle of a city from every direction is a bit more challenging

My dad once worked for Motorola and always said "You can outrun ford, you can outrun Chevy, but you can't outrun Motorola."

[Yakaru]

What state are you specifically interested in?

[broilmebk]

Originally Posted by Yakaru

What state are you specifically interested in?

Originally Posted by the jelly man

On the Ama website under the state of idaho it says turns signals are not required on the road? Does that mean an integrated taillight is ok?

Probably Iadho

[Yakaru]

http://www.legislature.idaho.gov/ids...SECT49-949.htm - subsection c.

[the jelly man]

Thanks for that information yakaru. I just installed the bike monkey integrated taillight and removed my stock blinkers and love it. I decided not to delete the fender to be safe. I