We go where we are needed.

[NathanUc]

http://www.facebook.com/MysteryGuita...50709021917715

Common guys let's help him out and save him from the rubbish answers non-riders are giving him

[jdoucet93]

Apparently most of those people want their friend to die...

[Malicious Logic]

Well from those comments, I've learned:

*Most people see 250cc and think girl

*Sport bikes are for douches

*250cc can't get up to highway speeds.


.............



I feel bad for people who listen to their friends over doing the research. Hope he's got more sense than the majority of people he's asking.

[alex.s]

reading that makes me feel bad for society.

[saxnbass]

I'd like to know how many of those people leaving comments actually ride.

[sombo]

Ok, I left my response to it. Hope it helps. I think most responses are from non-riders thinking they are being funny or "cool" with their responses instead of being serious.

[THE BIG SITT]

Look at the bright side… more 250s for us!!!

[USMCEvan]

Posted my 2 cents. (Evan Never-Afraid Jost if you want to read my post)

[Mountain Dew]

Left my $2.

It's comments like the ones posted that makes me wish there was strict laws for cc/hp here. Like Australia/UK has.

Like this:

[NathanUc]

Originally Posted by Mountain Dew

Left my $2.

It's comments like the ones posted that makes me wish there was strict laws for cc/hp here. Like Australia/UK has.

Like this:

IMAGES REMOVED TO SAVE YOUR SCROLLY FINGER SOME CALORIES

I half agree with those policies and half don't. The problem is while riders like myself and most of you fine chaps here shouldn't have to go through so many hoops just to enjoy riding when we can jump in a far far far more dangerous car easier, but it's those who AREN'T ready to be riding a motorcycle that cause things like that to be necessarily.

Under 21 I feel there should be some type of restrictive license, but over that you should be able to ride with either a motorcycle only license (what I used to have until lame Indiana state law changed) or a motorcycle endorsement.



EDIT: It's probably not said enough, but you guys all rock here at ninjette.org

[choneofakind]

Originally Posted by sombo

Ok, I left my response to it. Hope it helps. I think most responses are from non-riders thinking they are being funny or "cool" with their responses instead of being serious.

Your response was a good one

Mine is on there a few beneath yours. I hope we can be that last push to get him to get a 250. He's obviously already considering one.

Plus, I dropped the ninjette.org link!

Alex, do I get a gold star for that??

[Mountain Dew]

Originally Posted by NathanUc

we can jump in a far far far more dangerous car easier, but it's those who AREN'T ready to be riding a motorcycle that cause things like that to be necessarily.

In Australia (not sure if it's in place in the UK @akima), they have basically the same restrictions for cars. Basically no turbo, no V8+, and I think there's also a hp restriction.

[choneofakind]

Originally Posted by NathanUc

Under 21 I feel there should be some type of restrictive license, but over that you should be able to ride with either a motorcycle only license (what I used to have until lame Indiana state law changed) or a motorcycle endorsement.

I don't think age should have anything to do about it. There's 50 year old squids who get a Harley as their mid-life crisis and ride aggressively without having the proper skill to do what they're doing. I ride better than those idiots, and I'm 19 with 2 years riding experience.

If we set up a tiered licensing system here, it should be based on experience riding, not age. I mean I had my motorcycle endorsement weeks before I actually owned a motorcycle. I didn't give rides or ride the highway the first season, and I did my best to limit my time riding at night. I basically followed the rules that a rider with their temporary permit has to follow. There's also a lot of 20 something guys who get their first crotch rocket after college because suddenly they're out on their own with their own income, and no parents withholding college money if a motorcycle is purchased. If we went by your 21 year old suggestion, they would be able to get a full license on a bike that they just bought, but I would still be stuck with my temps? not cool.


IMO, it should be less restrictive than Europe (because we're Americans, we want it now), but there should still be tiers. For example, something simple like this.
1st year < 400cc (and hp limit, and same restrictions as a current learners permit)
2nd year < 700cc (and hp limit, and no passengers)
and after that, a full license could be obtained, along with a written test every 5 years like what you took to get your temps in the first place.

[etiainen]

You can't go over 100kmph for 2 years? Eh...does that restrict a lot of roads? That would restrict a lot of interstate here in the US.

[choneofakind]

That's basically the same thing as when you have your learners permit here... no Highway riding with your learner's permit

[greg737]

Originally Posted by NathanUc

http://www.facebook.com/MysteryGuita...50709021917715

Common guys let's help him out and save him from the rubbish answers non-riders are giving him

With regard to the OP's call to action, why jump out in front of an avalanche of stupidity?

As I get older I find myself feeling less and less compelled to argue with the uninformed, misinformed, unwashed masses.

[etiainen]

I didn't really ride with my permit, I did the MSF, got my license, then my bike.

[etiainen]

Also, Facebook is the last place to go for real advice..lol, people post on FB to get attention most of the time, especially with posts like I'm thinking of getting a bike. Facebook is just a place to start pointless arguments and post nonsense.

[nickjpass]

@etiainen

amen.

[choneofakind]

Originally Posted by etiainen

I didn't really ride with my permit, I did the MSF, got my license, then my bike.

same, and I don't think I should have legally been able to do that.

[etiainen]

I couldn't ride with my permit unless I had a licensed motorcyclist with me, essentially restricting me from riding with my permit.

[akima]

Originally Posted by Mountain Dew

In Australia (not sure if it's in place in the UK @akima), they have basically the same restrictions for cars. Basically no turbo, no V8+, and I think there's also a hp restriction.

I'm pretty sure there are no restrictions on cars like that. So long as the car is road legal you can drive it.

There is a financial restriction though... insurance! If you're young/are new to driving/etc insurance for a powerful car will be huge... like... sometimes almost as much as the car itself.

For motorcycles our system is something like this:
age 15 to 18 and passed CBT (compulsary basic training): you can have a 50CC bike
age 17 to 18 and passed your full license: you can have a 125CC bike
age 18+ and passed CBT: you can have a 125CC bike
age 18+ and passed full license: you can have a 250CC bike for the first 2 years and after that you can ride any road legal bike... HAYABUSA WHEELIESSSSS

age 18+ and passed full license with direct access (that means you did your test on a 500CC+ bike): you can instantly ride any road legal bike without having to have 2 years riding experience.

I might be a little bit off on some of those... it's all from memory. It's about right though.

I'm currently legally restricted to a 250CC bike. Even after the 2 years of experience required to ride bigger bikes, I doubt I'll get a bigger bike. My Ninjette is fun and does everything I need. I think if I had a bigger engine between my legs it would just create more potential for me to hurt myself and would mean higher maintenance costs.

Do I agree with all these motorcycle restrictions? No: I'm very much all about personal freedom when you're not harming other people.
Do these motorcycle restrictions save lives? Yes: lots of studies and stats on it: less people get hurt with these restrictions in place. Huge drop in motorcycle injuries and fatalities after they introduced each of these restrictions. Lots of 15 year old guys ride 50CC bikes. They ride like maniacs!

[etiainen]

Is it a displacement and HP limit?

[akima]

Originally Posted by etiainen

Is it a displacement and HP limit?

If you're asking me... yes... it is.

[etiainen]

I can't imagine this ever happening here in the US...lol, it would probably help a lot, but the market is just so driven towards high HP, super fast bikes...

[choneofakind]

Originally Posted by etiainen

I couldn't ride with my permit unless I had a licensed motorcyclist with me, essentially restricting me from riding with my permit.

you sure about that??

EARNING YOUR LICENSE
If you wish to operate a motorcycle or a motor-driven cycle, you must get a
Class M learner’s permit before you can learn to drive. A Class M permit allows
you to drive only between sunrise and sunset. All applicants with a permit must
wear a helmet and eye protection. Class M learners shall not carry any passengers
other than a properly licensed instructor.
To earn your license, you must pass a knowledge test and an on-cycle skill test.
Knowledge test questions are based on information, practices, and ideas from this
manual. They require that you know and understand road rules and safe riding
practices. An on-cycle skill test will either be conducted in an actual traffic
environment or in a controlled, off-street area.
If you test on a motorcycle that is less than 50 CCs, an “8” restriction will
appear on your driver’s license. This restriction prohibits you from operating a
motorcycle 50 CCs or larger. If you test on a motorcycle that has three wheels
(trike), a “9” restriction will appear on your driver’s license. This restriction
prohibits you from operating a two-wheeled motorcycle. To have the “8” or “9”
removed, contact PennDOT at 1-800-932-4600.
If you are under 18, you must wait the mandatory 6 months from your permit
issue date and have a signed Certificate of Completion for the 50 hours of
skill-building before taking your road test.

I don't see it saying anywhere there that you can only ride with a licensed motorcyclist there to supervise you when you have your temps. In fact the only thing different in those rules than Ohio's is that last part about needing your temps for 6 months and 50 hours before you can get your license.

[sombo]

Originally Posted by choneofakind

you sure about that??



I don't see it saying anywhere there that you can only ride with a licensed motorcyclist there to supervise you when you have your temps. In fact the only thing different in those rules than Ohio's is that last part about needing your temps for 6 months and 50 hours before you can get your license.

It's true actually:

Are there any restrictions on my motorcycle learner’s permit?


Yes. Motorcycle permit holders are only authorized to operate a motorcycle between sunrise and sunset. No nighttime driving is permitted. Motorcycle permit holders cannot carry any passenger other than an instructor properly licensed to operate a motorcycle. Also, if you do not currently hold another Class of License (such as a Class C) than you can only operate a motorcycle under the instruction and immediate supervision of a licensed motorcycle operator.

So if you don't have your drivers license before going for your motorcycle endorsement/license, you can't ride w/o a licensed rider to supervise.

On the bright side at least in PA if you are a licensed driver with a PA license, the MSF is free.

[etiainen]

Actually I live in NJ, in the tri-state area.

A new law was passed after I got my license to make the permit laws similar to PA. From the NJ site, "Practicing with your permit
You must practice with a permit for at least 20 days before being eligible to take the road test. A motorcycle examination permit holder is no longer required to have an accompanying rider."

I got my license before the no longer required part :/

"As of May 17, 2011 motorcycle permit holders are no longer required to have an accompanying rider." That new law went into affect after I got my license.

http://www.dmv.org/nj-new-jersey/motorcycle-license.php

It's part of the new motorcycle safety bill that was passed.

[choneofakind]

Oh so it's only if you don't already have your normal driver's license. Gotcha.

It's still not like that in OH. My buddy on the purple CBR got his bike and temps at 15 and 1/2. Then got his M license when he turned 16. Finally got his driver's license at 18 We made fun of him for a couple years in the winter.

Ohio MSF is only $25 here. I got it for free and skipped to the front of the walk-in line since I was 17 and it was required for anyone under 18 to take the MSF course

[NikkitaNinja]

Hey, I Just got my license last spring, and I'm still 18. There's no reason to laugh at someone when they dont have their license and they're older than 16. I mean, if you dont have a car or need one to go very far then whats the point of having it. Everything i needed, work, school, and friends were all within walking distance so i never bothered with my full license up untill last year when i wanted my motorcycle.

[NathanUc]

Originally Posted by NikkitaNinja

Hey, I Just got my license last spring, and I'm still 18. There's no reason to laugh at someone when they dont have their license and they're older than 16. I mean, if you dont have a car or need one to go very far then whats the point of having it. Everything i needed, work, school, and friends were all within walking distance so i never bothered with my full license up untill last year when i wanted my motorcycle.

100% agreed. I live in a town with great pubic trans, high gas prices, and high insurance costs... I've never been able to afford a car and still dont have my lic at 23 because I don't HAVE a car to the test in. Just not always fortunate enough to get stuff done lol.

[choneofakind]

Originally Posted by NikkitaNinja

Hey, I Just got my license last spring, and I'm still 18. There's no reason to laugh at someone when they dont have their license and they're older than 16. I mean, if you dont have a car or need one to go very far then whats the point of having it. Everything i needed, work, school, and friends were all within walking distance so i never bothered with my full license up untill last year when i wanted my motorcycle.

We only teased him because he a) had the money to buy a car and a motorcycle because he works like a madman, and b) he had a car available that his older siblings had used and passed down.

He was just didn't see a need for a driver's license and liked the motorcycle option better, so he bought a motorcycle. He didn't get his license till his parents told him that he should at least have it when he went to college.

Plus he was like 6'2" and 170 as a junior in high school. We weren't going to legitimately make fun of him

Hudson Ohio also isn't exactly known for useful public transit system, so he had to mooch rides when it was snowy, and ride the CBR in all kinds of nasty weather in the spring and fall.

[akima]

Originally Posted by choneofakind

We only teased him because he a) had the money to buy a car and a motorcycle because he works like a madman, and b) he had a car available that his older siblings had used and passed down.

He was just didn't see a need for a driver's license and liked the motorcycle option better, so he bought a motorcycle. He didn't get his license till his parents told him that he should at least have it when he went to college.

Plus he was like 6'2" and 170 as a junior in high school. We weren't going to legitimately make fun of him

Hudson Ohio also isn't exactly known for useful public transit system, so he had to mooch rides when it was snowy, and ride the CBR in all kinds of nasty weather in the spring and fall.

Sounds like a case of carphobia to me.

[KawiKid860]

UGH I would hate to have restrictions. I'd be stuck on a 125, or 250 right now, no offense to anyone lol, but riding two up which i really enjoy wouldn't be near as easy with a 250. I restricted myself in getting a 500, and not a 600+, and I even wanted a 250 but idk if I could go down to something smaller as a daily driver now that I've had my 500 for a few months. I ride responsibly, if conditions allow I might let the bike rip, but its not like because I have the power to hit 60 in 4 seconds I do it all the time.. Guess im just a bit different than other people my age, who hop on a bike in accordance to its CCs.

[choneofakind]

Hey I will admit that riding 2-up with a 250 is definitely not the most exciting ride ever, but it does just fine up hills and entrance ramps and twisties if you keep it up at 10k when you need power. Then again, I'm uber careful whenever there's someone on back of my bike, so I really don't care that the bike can't snap my head back... My girlfriend is actually really glad that my bike isn't super duper fast when she's on it, because she was worried about it, and now she's able to relax and just cruise with me. She says when I get a bigger bike, I have to promise to keep it that way.

I rip open the 250 all the time, mostly because I can open up 1st all the way, and get just past the speed limit on my road

[etiainen]

Well it looks like those restrictions prevent 2-up riding too.

My current bike has grab bars; my friends prefer it for 2-up around town.

[choneofakind]

No one's ever used the grab bar on my bike. Just seems so much more natural to me to hold the tank than reach behind?

[etiainen]

Everyone used to grab the plastics behind me on my Ninja. I guess different people prefer different holding spots.