Info on Area P Exhaust Systems for the 2013 Ninja 300

[mania]

Originally Posted by kbryant

No, we do not install an O2 Bung. US models do not have an O2 Bung on the stock system.

Thanks Kerry I did not know that. I guess that is another difference I need to note when ordering things.

[kbryant]

Originally Posted by mania

Thanks Kerry I did not know that. I guess that is another difference I need to note when ordering things.

Just an FYI - Even on bikes that are equipped with oem type closed loop systems (O2 Bungs/sensors), we recommend most of them be removed and/or disabled. They are what we call "narrowband" sensors. They essentially only measure a very narrow area near Stoich and switch back and forth. When they are disabled, and a properly written map is loaded (like on our FI Micro Programmer), the A/F curve will be much better from a performance and throttle response aspect.

The only time (IMHO) an O2 Bung is beneficial, is if you are utilizing a true "wideband" tuning platform (like the Dynojet Autotune module) that incorporates a Bosch type O2 Wideband sensor. These units allow a wide range of continuous sampling and a completely new tuning dimension. That being said, in can really depend on your particular parameters to determine if having a real time Tuning platform is something that can be truly appreciated.

[diwhiteii]

Hello Everyone,

Just wanted to update everyone on the current pod tuning at Fuel Moto. The test bike arrived on July 10 and will be there for at least two weeks. There will be no data available if you contact Fuel Moto. All data will go through Kerry at Area P. Please don't contact Fuel Moto as they will not be relishing any information. I will be the main point of contact through Kerry with updates that I will post only through the ninjette site. If you have any questions feel free to ask me. I will help you to the best of my knowledge.

Thanks,

David

[old3]

Originally Posted by diwhiteii

Please don't contact Fuel Moto as they will not be relishing any information.
David

Patiently waiting for the tune to be relished!

[kbryant]

Originally Posted by old3

Patiently waiting for the tune to be relished!

Well I guess technically it is "released", then it can be "relished". Either way, it's all good.


R&D on Airbox delete - Pod Mapping/Tuning has begun. Tigerpaw's bike shown at the Fuel Moto facility. Baseline data has been taken. Now begins the POD install with the system that Tigerpaw chose - full standard mount system with long quiet stainless steel muffler. We will also be installing our Solo slanted "A" mounting bracket for his system and removing his passenger pegs (as requested). After R&D Mapping on this set-up, we will move to the Ultra High Mount system. Stay tuned!

[felo]

Originally Posted by kbryant

Well I guess technically it is "released", then it can be "relished". Either way, it's all good.


R&D on Airbox delete - Pod Mapping/Tuning has begun. Tigerpaw's bike shown at the Fuel Moto facility. Baseline data has been taken. Now begins the POD install with the system that Tigerpaw chose - full standard mount system with long quiet stainless steel muffler. We will also be installing our Solo slanted "A" mounting bracket for his system and removing his passenger pegs (as requested). After R&D Mapping on this set-up, we will move to the Ultra High Mount system. Stay tuned!

that looks nice, cant wait for the graphics

[choneofakind]

Kerry,

Will you be experimenting with any intake runners vs sticking the pod on directly on the throttle bodies? It looks like you have a couple inches there if you'd choose to do so. I'm curious whether you think it will make a significant difference or not.

[felo]

Originally Posted by choneofakind

Kerry,

Will you be experimenting with any intake runners vs sticking the pod on directly on the throttle bodies? It looks like you have a couple inches there if you'd choose to do so. I'm curious whether you think it will make a significant difference or not.

Do you think there will be an advantage ?

[choneofakind]

Might.

[kbryant]

Originally Posted by choneofakind

Kerry,

Will you be experimenting with any intake runners vs sticking the pod on directly on the throttle bodies? It looks like you have a couple inches there if you'd choose to do so. I'm curious whether you think it will make a significant difference or not.

No, not this time. But I have tested this many times in the past. It is debatable on the "actual" benefit in primarily a stock state-of-tune (no internal mods). I think in more of a Ram-Air/pressurized environment, the benefit may be more worthwhile to explore. A variable stack/runner adjustment, controlled by the ECU would be the best option. But is also depends on the overall engine design as well. In this particular case, I have not seen tangible, repeatable worthwhile differences.

[kbryant]

Testing on the Airbox delete/POD filter additional mod has been completed at the Fuel Moto facility. As expected () we have attained the original goal of reaching 40+ HP with the Area P system and FI Micro Programmer. The new mapping that Fuel Moto created is outstanding with this mod. They are absolutely, bare-none, the best in the industry. Available exclusively for Area P/Fuel Moto FI Micro Programmer customers. Special thank you to "Tigerpaw" for loaning us his bike for this R&D phase. You're getting back a very strong runner and we hope you enjoy the full VIP/NC package in return. Enjoy.


"Tigerpaws" baby


Baseline run all stock.


Area P Standard Mount System/Long Quiet Core Muffler


Area P Ultra High Mount System/Standard Muffler


All runs combined

[felo]

now that is a smooth graphic, what is more interesting to see is that it doesn't have the dip at around 8-9k like your other graphics like so


so that is like a 1hp for long quiet cores and 2hp for the high mounts
thanks for your work and research Kerry

[kbryant]

Originally Posted by felo

now that is a smooth graphic, what is more interesting to see is that it doesn't have the dip at around 8-9k like your other graphics like so that is like a 1hp for long quiet cores and 2hp for the high mounts
thanks for your work and research Kerry

Thank you. And that's why Fuel Moto is the best in the business when it comes to FI Tuning.

[choneofakind]

Originally Posted by kbryant

No, not this time. But I have tested this many times in the past. It is debatable on the "actual" benefit in primarily a stock state-of-tune (no internal mods). I think in more of a Ram-Air/pressurized environment, the benefit may be more worthwhile to explore. A variable stack/runner adjustment, controlled by the ECU would be the best option. But is also depends on the overall engine design as well. In this particular case, I have not seen tangible, repeatable worthwhile differences.

Cool, thanks for the feedback on that. That's something I've been wondering for a while.


Wow, glad to see you hit your goal!!! Very impressive numbers Kerry!

[ahamay]

Awesome!!! So glad you guys got the pod tune done. Hoping my bike will actually get above 98mph at the track meow. Do we need to contact you Kerry to get the tune or how should we go about it?

[old3]

Originally Posted by kbryant

Thank you. And that's why Fuel Moto is the best in the business when it comes to FI Tuning.

Kerry, when can we get this tune? I'm still running the "heavily modded air box" tune and it is very good, but I bet this will be a bit better!

[Tigerpaw]

Originally Posted by kbryant

Testing on the Airbox delete/POD filter additional mod has been completed at the Fuel Moto facility. As expected () we have attained the original goal of reaching 40+ HP with the Area P system and FI Micro Programmer. The new mapping that Fuel Moto created is outstanding with this mod. They are absolutely, bare-none, the best in the industry. Available exclusively for Area P/Fuel Moto FI Micro Programmer customers. Special thank you to "Tigerpaw" for loaning us his bike for this R&D phase. You're getting back a very strong runner and we hope you enjoy the full VIP/NC package in return. Enjoy.

Kerry, I can't wait to ride her. The pics look sweet, and the #s really back up the looks. Thanks again for letting me participate in this project and all the free product. The folks at Fuel Moto have also been great. Their work speaks for itself. Don't forget to get those new numbers available on the website.

[felo]

finally my exhaust came yesterday, i install it and boy it sounds sweet, it woke the bike right up with the micro tuner and the map
here is a video i make on how it looks on the bike plus a flyby
thanks for ur hard work kerry

Link to original page on YouTube.

[kbryant]

Originally Posted by felo

finally my exhaust came yesterday, i install it and boy it sounds sweet, it woke the bike right up with the micro tuner and the map
here is a video i make on how it looks on the bike plus a flyby
thanks for ur hard work kerry

Thank you. Enjoy!

[Tigerpaw]

This thing runs awesome. It pulls very strong. Lifts the front wheel.

[Jiggles]

So 300s do power wheelies now huh?

[ninjamunky85]

I lifted the front wheel on mine yesterday shifting from 1rst to 2nd while accelerating hard.

Today I did another wheelie from a stop. I let out the clutch at about 4k rpm and it easily lifted the wheel.

[choneofakind]

...proof? I have a hard time believing that, unless you're keeping the throttle pinned and slipping a ton of clutch on upshifts.

[ninjamunky85]

I don't have a good clip right now. Hopefully I can get some better video today or tomorrow. I'm still testing a new camera mount I got.

But... here's a clip of a little "acceleration test" I was doing the other day. It wasn't a very good launch, and you really can't tell from the video, but the front wheel did lift just a little when I shifted into second. That's why the handlebars shake a bit, cause the wheel came off the ground,... and this definitely wasn't an all out run.

Link to original page on YouTube.

[allanoue]

Originally Posted by ninjamunky85

But... here's a clip of a little "acceleration test" I was doing the other daydefinitely wasn't an all out run.

[YOUTUBE ]/sounds so sweet[/YOUTUBE]

[choneofakind]

Either way, that's still darn impressive. Sounds good, looks like it accelerates well. Congrats on a cool system and fuel map!!

[ninjamunky85]

Yeah, I went out today and there was traffic everywhere. Hopefully I can find some open roads and get some better runs in this weekend.

[allanoue]

Hardest part was taking off the fairings. Sounds amazing and pulls like my old stock 500.

thanks kerry

[beazy411]

Kerry did you all happen to see how much just a tune w/o an exhaust will open the bike up?

[kbryant]

Originally Posted by beazy411

Kerry did you all happen to see how much just a tune w/o an exhaust will open the bike up?

Yep. Page 4, post 144, first graph.



Run #3 - Baseline stock run OEM exhaust. Run #28 - OEM exhaust with FI Micro Programmer, Snorkel removed, K&N Filter Panel direct replacement.

[JohnnyBravo]

Man that exhaust is sweeeeeeet

[Bentley813]

Has anyone with the tuner brought their bikes in for the ECU recall yet? Just wondering what to expect. This won't affect the tune I wouldn't think.

[Yakaru]

I've been riding 2 days now with the Pod filter + Area P + Pod Tune and it's been quite nice but I have noticed that, particularly when cold, if I close the throttle at speed and engine brake I get some 'popping' that sounds like a backfire. Could I need to have my tune dialed in more? Maybe some part of my install needs to be rechecked?

[allanoue]

Originally Posted by Yakaru

I've been riding 2 days now with the Pod filter + Area P + Pod Tune and it's been quite nice but I have noticed that, particularly when cold, if I close the throttle at speed and engine brake I get some 'popping' that sounds like a backfire. Could I need to have my tune dialed in more? Maybe some part of my install needs to be rechecked?

see what happens with the recall ECU if nothing changes try a different gas octane (buyer beware , total guess)

[ninjamunky85]

I thought a little popping on decel wasn't a bad thing.

[allanoue]

Originally Posted by ninjamunky85

I thought a little popping on decel wasn't a bad thing.

I think you are right

You see some in the GPmoto bikes

[ionized]

Originally Posted by choneofakind

...proof? I have a hard time believing that, unless you're keeping the throttle pinned and slipping a ton of clutch on upshifts.

Had to log in to respond to this one. On the 300 under intense acceleration I often lift my front wheel shifting from 1st into 2nd, depending on the method used. I'm not talking a huge wheelie or anything, but the suspension unloads and the tire probably gets around 6 to 12 inches off the ground for a couple seconds rolling into 2nd gear (no steering til the tire touches again.) It does involve a lot of throttle but definitely not 'pinned', more like keeping it at 7-9k, and not really slipping the clutch a ton but a minor amount. It helps that I am not a heavy person also. I've had it happen to a lesser extent doing no-clutch shift from 1st to 2nd. This is with the area-p mapper installed but only stock exhaust and intake. I've got the full system but have not installed yet.

[choneofakind]

So if it barely happened in a no clutch shift, but more on a clutch shift, that means you're essentially doing a clutch up...

Not to be cynical, but I'd have to ride it on my own to believe it can do a true power on wheelie. Seems to me that your description is from clutching up and not doing a smooth clutch less shift.

[Koreo]

Im trying to find a map for my bike.. Well 2 actually. One for right now though is just LV slip on and KN filter. Where can I find one?

[ionized]

Originally Posted by choneofakind978

Not to be cynical, but I'd have to ride it on my own to believe it can do a true power on wheelie. Seems to me ... description is from clutching up and not doing a smooth clutch less shift.

I wasn't trying to imply that it does a true power wheelie. The experience I am having is definitely from keeping rpms near upper power band and letting the clutch transfer the power. I simply don't see it as riding the clutch since I make it happen very fast. I'd call it more of a controlled 'popping' of the clutch than anything, but between 1st and 2nd. This also implies the clutchless shift wheelie is from the fact that I barely back off throttle during the shift, only enough for the gear change, hence the power immediately kicks in and the front lifts. My response was cause you seemed cynical it could ever lift the front and it happens to me a lot under hard acceleration without purposely trying.