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Old April 18th, 2014, 09:37 AM   #1
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Spot cyclists - shoulder check - change lane - STATIONARY CAR!

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I'm pretty mindful of that kind of situation now having clipped the back end of a van that stopped in front of me while I was doing a shoulder check to change lanes.

There's a zebra crossing in this video, but there isn't anyone walking across it, so I can't make out why the driver came to a complete stop. Ultimately it doesn't matter why he stopped though. I think it pays to assume that drivers will perform sudden and seemingly senseless actions and adjust your street riding practice accordingly. I now maintain a bigger stopping distance behind cars, cover my front brake at all times in traffic and try to maintain a calm awareness of all the vehicles that surround me.



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The skid was on purpose to get the front wheel away from head on impact. If you correct at too high a speed you will most likely high side dropping the bike. Even at impact of side cover on bumper I felt I still had too much momentum to straighten out on a good trajectory away from car. Hope I never have to try it again.
Throwing hand signals will slow your reaction time as will multiple road distractions so make sure you have room. You may finish your shoulder check like this.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=atDFqxHLctE
Sounds like he's claiming he deliberately stepped his tail out to the left so as to set his trajectory to the right of the car. Sounds to me like he's post-rationalizing his over-use of the rear brake and got relatively lucky.

I think he had enough time to steer to the right of the car.
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Old April 18th, 2014, 11:29 AM   #2
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MORE than enough time/room to avoid a collision, that was a rookie mistake.
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Old April 18th, 2014, 11:38 AM   #3
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noob doesn't know how to ride, crashes, says it was intentional. probably had to lay her down. anyone worth their salt could have not only seen that coming a mile away but even with blinders on could have avoided it after it had happened. noob needs an ego check before he kills himself.
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Old April 18th, 2014, 11:39 AM   #4
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^Agree. Also, the car had plenty of good reason to stop (pedestrians crossing at a marked crosswalk). Based on the in-video commentary, and the situation, it seems like the guy is making excuses for his lapse in judgement and handling errors.
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Old April 18th, 2014, 10:27 PM   #5
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Idk, seems to me like he was completely distracted which destroyed any reaction time he may have had as well as lacking the skill to avoid the collision once he noticed the situation he was in. Anyone paying attention could have handled the situation without incident.

The decision he made was dumb though, he could have steered right to avoid the car then back left to avoid the cyclists or slowed down behind the cyclists after steering right.
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Old April 19th, 2014, 12:29 AM   #6
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he could have steered right to avoid the car then back left to avoid the cyclists or slowed down behind the cyclists after steering right.
Yeah, I think if he had just steered right around the car he would have been able to comfortably slow down and continue riding almost as if none of it happened.
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Old April 19th, 2014, 06:39 AM   #7
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It looks like he may have been speeding also.
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Old April 19th, 2014, 06:41 AM   #8
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............I think he had enough time to steer to the right of the car.
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"My first motorcycle crash w/car in 26 years! fast stop cars will get ya!"

I would say, speed did get ya!

If you want to ride fast in public roads, you must be able to see fast, think fast, react fast, signal fast and the most important: swerve and stop fast.
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Old April 19th, 2014, 07:41 AM   #9
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He mentions that it's a BSA, they've not made bikes since the 70's... in that case just swerve, 40+ year old braking tech & old school tyres won't help much.
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If you want to ride fast in public roads, you must be able to see fast, think fast, react fast, signal fast and the most important: swerve and stop fast.
very well put!
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