Signs that you ride a 250/300

[csmith12]

Well... since I aint got a hankerin' for pee'n on mah gloves, figger I should do somethin'.

[NevadaWolf]

You know you ride a 250 when, after answering some hot shot you just out rode what size the bike is, you smirk as their jaw hits the ground.

"More fun to ride a slow bike fast..."

[jkv45]

Signs that you ride a 250/300 -

You think 10,000 RPMs really isn't that high.

[adouglas]

You discover how fun little bikes are and actually start wondering why people need more horsepower.

[adouglas]

You start wishing that somebody would make a high-end sportbike with a small engine.

[Alex]

Originally Posted by cadd

You know you're riding a 250/300 when you can get over 200 miles per tank and still have enough gas to get home.

*cough* 400+ mile range *cough*.

[alex.s]

you know you're on a ninja 250 when you crash and it looks exactly the same as before

[LNasty]

Originally Posted by Floki

You know you're on a 250 when you try for 7th gear.
It never happened on my other bikes lol

After three years I still try to shift into that ghost 7th gear. I never did get in the routine of keeping mental note of how many gears I had just shifted. Doesn't help that I got one of the 250's with the bad ECU problem. on cooler days my RPM's show normal at highway speeds. On 90+ degree days like today it will show about 1500 to 2000 rpm's higher, which makes me thing I still have a gear left.

[LNasty]

Originally Posted by Alex

*cough* 400+ mile range *cough*.

Damn, not sure if my bike has an issue or it is just from me riding a whole harder the last year due to expierence increasing. But when I first started riding I was getting 50-60 MPG. Now I am lucky to get even 40 MPG. Quicker starts at lights and averaging 70-80 MPH on interstate now is probably my answer to this conundrum. ;

[choneofakind]

Originally Posted by Alex

*cough* 400+ mile range *cough*.

cheater! not the same!

[verboten1]

Originally Posted by Suki2003

Either your first 250 was a complete POS.. or you bought proper gear.

2500 miles, needed the carbs cleaned. And I no longer go cheap. KLIM, Nolan, FirstGear

When you are happily riding an inappropriate bike, you might be on a 250!

[motoman]

When you smile when you pay your insurance for the year and say glad I don,t pay what my buddy pays for his 1100cc

[Jneiman]

You know you ride a 250 when the blue lights flash behind you and you pull over because you know you can't outrun them

[Ghostt]

Originally Posted by Jneiman

You know you ride a 250 when the blue lights flash behind you and you pull over because you know you can't outrun them

I would say more like it wasn't you they were after, too slow

[Whiskey]

Originally Posted by johncrist1988

Which begs the question: How much power is enough power to get out of trouble?

acceleration from 40-80 in a couple of seconds is a decent benchmark

[DaBlue1]

You know you ride a 250/300 when someone asks you you what you ride and you boldly reply..."A Ninja!"

[DaBlue1]

You know you ride a 250/300 when... doofus on the scooter pulls up beside you at the light, looks at you and starts revving his POS.

[DaBlue1]

You know you ride a 250/300 when... the exhaust on your lawn mower is louder than your bike.

[DaBlue1]

You know you ride a 250/300 when.... your weed eater and bike work best at the same rpms.

[adouglas]

Originally Posted by Whiskey

acceleration from 40-80 in a couple of seconds is a decent benchmark

You realize that's far beyond literbike performance, right?

A quick Google search found this Motorcyclist article at http://www.motorcyclistonline.com/re...usta-f4r-class

2012 BMW S1000RR | Price: $16,995
Engine type: l-c inline-four
Valve train: DOHC, 16v
Displacement: 999cc

Measured horsepower:  169.6 bhp @ 13,000 rpm
Measured torque: 72.3 lb.-ft. @ 10,200 rpm
Corrected ¼-mile: 9.95 sec. @ 148.32 mph
Top-gear roll-on, 60-80 mph: 2.47 sec.


2012 Ducati Panigale S | Price: $23,995
Tech Spec
Engine type: l-c 90-deg. V-twin
Valve train: DOHC, 8v desmodromic
Displacement: 1199cc

Measured horsepower:  158.3 bhp @ 10,600 rpm
Measured torque: 80.1 lb.-ft. @ 9100 rpm
Corrected ¼-mile: 10.15 sec. @ 141.79 mph
Top-gear roll-on, 60-80 mph: 2.66 sec.

[cadd]

Originally Posted by DaBlue1

You know you ride a 250/300 when... doofus on the scooter pulls up beside you at the light, looks at you and starts revving his POS.

Or when you're cruising along at 60mph and a scooter passes you?

Link to original page on YouTube.

[Alex]

Originally Posted by adouglas

You realize that's far beyond literbike performance, right?

I'm not sure I follow; those 2 and a half second times from 60-80 on those bikes is measured in top gear. In 2nd gear (or maybe even in first depending on gearing), those 60-80 times would be even much quicker than that (well under 2 seconds). Did you mean that we were expecting too much or too little to meet that benchmark of a few seconds from 40-80?

[Sirref]

60-80 on an old gsxr 600 happens in an instant in first-second gear (shift point is around 72mph with my gearing afaik, I blocked my view of the mph)

you know you ride a 300 when you hop on it after riding a gsxr at the track and think it's broken because nothing happens when you pull the throttle

[MrAtom]

When you're idling at a stoplight, hit the rev limiter dump the clutch HARD, and your front wheel stays mostly on the ground.

[csmith12]

Originally Posted by Jneiman

You know you ride a 250 when the blue lights flash behind you and you pull over because you know you can't outrun them

Welcome!

Most of them don't know that though.

[Proteus]

Originally Posted by MrAtom

When you're idling at a stoplight, hit the rev limiter dump the clutch HARD, and your front wheel stays mostly on the ground.

Or, the only time your front wheel has ever left the ground was when you put it on a stand for maintenance.

[adouglas]

Originally Posted by Alex

I'm not sure I follow; those 2 and a half second times from 60-80 on those bikes is measured in top gear. In 2nd gear (or maybe even in first depending on gearing), those 60-80 times would be even much quicker than that (well under 2 seconds). Did you mean that we were expecting too much or too little to meet that benchmark of a few seconds from 40-80?

The actual post said that "a couple of seconds from 40-80 is a decent benchmark." Not 60-80... I was just citing published numbers. 40 mph delta is what's been thrown out there.

A couple of seconds is two seconds, not a few seconds. That's less time than you might think.

Sorry, but I'm skeptical your garden-variety mid-displacement bike is that quick. Please offer a citation at least comparable to the one I've provided. Three or four seconds I'll buy. Two? Doubt that.

And the "benchmark" is the amount of power you need to get out of trouble. Surely the suggestion is not that you have to ride a powerful supersport to get out of trouble?

[subxero]

Originally Posted by adouglas

The actual post said that "a couple of seconds from 40-80 is a decent benchmark." Not 60-80... I was just citing published numbers. 40 mph delta is what's been thrown out there.

A couple of seconds is two seconds, not a few seconds. That's less time than you might think.

Sorry, but I'm skeptical your garden-variety mid-displacement bike is that quick. Please offer a citation at least comparable to the one I've provided. Three or four seconds I'll buy. Two? Doubt that.

And the "benchmark" is the amount of power you need to get out of trouble. Surely the suggestion is not that you have to ride a powerful supersport to get out of trouble?

I could be wrong but I think the problem lies with the cited values you have in your original post. The 60-80mph times as pointed out already once, were done with 6th gear roll on for those bikes to get those numbers. Meaning the test was done in pretty much the worst possible gear to get those numbers which means those bikes can perform much much better than the 2.__ seconds in those cited values.

In short, I don't think those numbers mean what you think they mean and or at least they are not helping for the point you are trying to get across.

[adouglas]

Yeah, I realize it's apples to oranges to a degree. But I couldn't find anything published for a 40-80 mph roll-on.

Here's why I'm still skeptical. Literbikes make huge torque and power, even at relatively low RPM. My 750 pulls like a freakin' freight train no matter what gear I'm in.

According to a Sport Rider dyno chart I found at http://www.sportrider.com/sites/spor...000rr-dyno.jpg, ticking over at just 5000 rpm (sounds reasonable for engine speed at 60 mph in 6th gear to me), a BMW S1000RR is making about SIXTY ft-lb of torque.

With that much torque, if it can't get a 20 mph speed increase in two seconds, seems unreasonable that it'd be able to get double that in two seconds even in a lower gear. Three seconds? Maybe. Four? Sure. But not two.

Just a feeling based on my own butt dyno. I have no data to back it up, but I do ride a mid-heavyweight sportbike so I'm not speculating in a total vacuum.

Edit... on my commute home tonight I noticed that my bike is running at about 4500-4700 rpm in 6th gear at 60 mph. So my guesstimate above is a little high. Underlying thoughts still apply IMHO.

[Dozer]

...when you get pulled over for going 20mph above the speed limit(70mph). The cop realizes that it's a 250 and lets you go because his radar gun might need calibration.


...then you pat your ninjette on the tank as he walks away.

[snot]

You're on the best forum on the internet... thanks ninjette.

[subxero]

when you can pick up your bike and move it around like a dirt bike

[Proteus]

Originally Posted by subxero

when you can pick up your bike and move it around like a dirt bike

Except when you get cocky about this after a long ride and forget that your arms are tired and drop it while parking in front of a thousand people. Ask me how I know...

[johncrist1988]

Originally Posted by Proteus

Except when you get cocky about this after a long ride and forget that your arms are tired and drop it while parking in front of a thousand people. Ask me how I know...

How do you know, Proteus? How do you know?

[Proteus]

Originally Posted by johncrist1988

How do you know, Proteus? How do you know?

Let's just say that this may or may not have happened to a friend of mine on Sunday. Also, the street may have been largely populated by Harley riders.

[DEFY]

When a thief dumps your bike less then a mile down the road cause they realize it wasn't worth stealing.

[subxero]

Originally Posted by Proteus

Except when you get cocky about this after a long ride and forget that your arms are tired and drop it while parking in front of a thousand people. Ask me how I know...

the only time my bike has ever been "kinda dropped" (it never fully went down, got caught on the work bench ) was when I was picking it up and putting it up on jack stands and I knowingly put the peg on the side I was standing on on the stand closest to me first.... I knew this was a bad idea and knew I wanted to put the other side peg on first but figured ahh whatever, what could go wrong Lets just say there was a shift in the balance

[Proteus]

Originally Posted by subxero

the only time my bike has ever been "kinda dropped" (it never fully went down, got caught on the work bench ) was when I was picking it up and putting it up on jack stands and I knowingly put the peg on the side I was standing on on the stand closest to me first.... I knew this was a bad idea and knew I wanted to put the other side peg on first but figured ahh whatever, what could go wrong Lets just say there was a shift in the balance

I did something similar with my parts GTI many years ago, it wasn't pretty.

[Kevin1956]

You know you're on a 250 the minute you start looking for hard luggage for your bike.

[johncrist1988]

Originally Posted by Kevin1956

You know you're on a 250 the minute you start looking for hard luggage for your bike.

I've been looking for hard luggage for my bike....