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Alex · August 1st, 2011, 11:15 AM

Clearly.

almost40 · August 1st, 2011, 11:28 AM

do you care to back up your claim that
"Actually, the argument that gear increases the likelihood of a wreck is a valid one "

What is your source for this?? Your brain??
Making a statement and the asking the other party to prove his side is the most idiotic thing ever.
You were called on it . BY ME. Now prove your statement.

Ill say this.
ITS NOT THE GEAR.....ITS THE RIDER.
If YOU percieve greater saftey while wearing your gear and CHOOSE to ride more reckless. THEN ITS YOUR FAULT. Has nothing to do with the gear. ITS THE WAY YOU VIEW THE SITUATION IN YOUR PEA SIZED BRAIN.
Most of us here understand that the riding is dangerous and we wear gear to protect ourself the best we can. It doesnt change the way we ride.
If YOU put on gear, and then your brain says to you go faster be more reckless because your wearing leather. YOUR A MORON.

I would start a poll on this if it wasnt so IDIOTIC.

Next quote
"Not everyone fits the same cookie-cutter body structure that the vast majority of bike gear is modeled after. Especially if that person has a larger upper body.

Personally I've found several jackets that are either restrictive in the shoulders, or are loose to the point that when leaning too far forward, cause the shoulder area of the jacket to bunch up around the helmet and restrict head movement, even more so when that jacket has shoulder pads.

I have yet to find riding pants that fit properly. Either they're too long, too baggy, or too tight in the crotch or waste."

They do make CUSTOM SUITS ya know.

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"Wind noise because of the helmet is sufficient enough to cause hearing damage. That high of a pitch at those decibels, or the use of earplug, is more than enough to dull the sound of a nearby vehicle, depending on the vehicle"

Im guessing its totally silent when you arent wearing a helmet.

Lastly
"Ever had your jacket whip around or puff up? That's drag. Why do you think people tuck when they accelerate?"

UHHH NO. My gear fits me properly.
I still fail to see how this has anything to do with making it unsafe to wear gear.
Please explain in detail so I can pick it apart.

RhinoJC · August 1st, 2011, 12:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Alex

The "two sides" that I was objecting to are "gear helps" and "gear doesn't help". Those aren't both sides that can be intellectually supported. If some gear doesn't fit, find some that does. If some gear is distracting, find some that isn't. If no gear on the planet fits or is non-distracting, then don't use any. But convincing oneself that one is ultimately safer on a motorcycle in any situation while wearing less protective gear is patently foolish.

I never said gear doesn't help, I specifically stated that gear reduces both the likelihood of an injury and the severity. I also never stated that less gear is "safer". What I said is that people who argue that gear increases the chances of a wreck have a valid argument.

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Gear will not reduce your risk of an accident. Actually, the argument that gear increases the likelihood of a wreck is a valid one.

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Originally Posted by RhinoJC

However, gear can significantly reduce the risk and severity of injury.

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Originally Posted by Alex

but the points you made about gear making it more likely to have an accident are ludicrous.

The explanation of your statement doesn't match the statement you made.

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Originally Posted by almost40

do you care to back up your claim that
"Actually, the argument that gear increases the likelihood of a wreck is a valid one "

What is your source for this?? Your brain??
You were called on it . BY ME. Now prove your statement.

I've already stated my side. Restrictive gear can dull senses or restrict range of motion. If you don't see how that can directly result in a wreck, I'm sorry.

And yes it comes from my brain since it's a personal experience. My statement wasn't an absolute one, it was a statement that pointed out a potentially negative aspect that gives credit to the other side of the argument. If so much as one person has an experience that backs up my point, my point is valid.

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Originally Posted by almost40

Making a statement and the asking the other party to prove his side is the most idiotic thing ever.

Asking someone to back up their statement is idiotic? So we should just take the statement as fact? Why are you arguing with me then?

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Originally Posted by almost40

They do make CUSTOM SUITS ya know.

And everyone can afford a custom suit or has access to a dealer? I assume you feel that people shouldn't ride unless they have access to perfect gear?

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Originally Posted by almost40

Im guessing its totally silent when you arent wearing a helmet.

Personally, I wouldn't know, I don't ride without a helmet. What I do know is that having 60+ MPH winds blow across your ears and the noise caused by a helmet are two very different things.

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Originally Posted by almost40

UHHH NO. My gear fits me properly.

Good for you, not everyone is so lucky.

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Originally Posted by almost40

I still fail to see how this has anything to do with making it unsafe to wear gear.

I never stated that wearing gear was unsafe, I stated that people claiming gear has the potential to increase the chances of a wreck, have a valid point.

If you want to argue my viewpoint, go ahead. But try keeping it to statements I've actually made please.

Jesse8931 · August 1st, 2011, 12:12 PM

Op can I use your pics on a website for motorcycle safety that I am building.

Alex · August 1st, 2011, 12:20 PM

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Originally Posted by RhinoJC

I also never stated that less gear is "safer". What I said is that people who argue that gear increases the chances of a wreck have a valid argument.

...snip...

I never stated that wearing gear was unsafe, I stated that people claiming gear has the potential to increase the chances of a wreck, have a valid point.

And we're stating that they do not have a valid point. They are kidding themselves about the greater senses or greater mobility without gear as helping them avoid an accident.

RhinoJC · August 1st, 2011, 12:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Alex

And we're stating that they do not have a valid point. They are kidding themselves about the greater senses or greater mobility without gear as helping them avoid an accident.

The use of gear has the potential to restrict mobility and dull certain senses? Are you arguing against this?

If you're not against my statement, then we're on the same page.

The part you're failing to see, and was likely poorly worded by others, is that no gear does not reduce the chance of a wreck, but gear does have the potential to increase it.

To explain it another way, lets look at the risk of an accident as having a base chance of likelihood. Wearing gear can potentially increase that chance, but that doesn't mean not wearing gear decreases it. The two aren't mutually exclusive.

Alex · August 1st, 2011, 12:40 PM

You defined wearing gear as some sort of safety tradeoff. That is what I am most strenuously disagreeing with. I think your argument is both wrong and dangerous.

I reject your claim that proper gear has the potential to increase the chances of a wreck. If that stated potential is actually realized by any actual motorcycle wearing any actual gear, the motorcyclist chose the wrong gear or is more easily distracted than any of us need to be on two wheels.

RhinoJC · August 1st, 2011, 01:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Alex

You defined wearing gear as some sort of safety tradeoff. That is what I am most strenuously disagreeing with. I think your argument is both wrong and dangerous.

I reject your claim that proper gear has the potential to increase the chances of a wreck. If that stated potential is actually realized by any actual motorcycle wearing any actual gear, the motorcyclist chose the wrong gear or is more easily distracted than any of us need to be on two wheels.

You're making the assumption that everyone has access to properly fitting gear and that everyone knows what properly fitting gear is. The fact that there are so many gear fitment guides out there would suggest that a good number of people aren't wearing proper gear.

I'm making a statement based on an average rider in an average situation and you're arguing it with a perfect set of circumstances.

I'll ask my question again:

Do you agree or disagree that on average, gear has the potential to restrict movement or dull certain senses?

RhinoJC · August 1st, 2011, 01:09 PM

I put a poll up. We'll let the community make the decision.

Alex · August 1st, 2011, 01:10 PM

I reject the question. It is pointless and misleading. Or even more correctly, it is incomplete.

"Do you agree or disagree that on average, gear has the potential to restrict movement or dull certain senses, such that there is any single case on the planet where choosing not to wear said gear would be ultimately safer for the motorcyclist, taking into account their own distractions and uncomfortableness in wearing anything but their birthday suit",

then I'd answer my modified question as I disagree.

almost40 · August 1st, 2011, 01:13 PM

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Originally Posted by RhinoJC

The use of gear has the potential to restrict mobility and dull certain senses? Are you arguing against this?

YES. If your gear causes this problem. You need better or different gear.

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Originally Posted by RhinoJC

The part you're failing to see, and was likely poorly worded by others, is that no gear does not reduce the chance of a wreck, but gear does have the potential to increase it.

Once again........ You need better or different gear if this is what you believe or have experienced.

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Originally Posted by RhinoJC

To explain it another way, lets look at the risk of an accident as having a base chance of likelihood. Wearing gear can potentially increase that chance, but that doesn't mean not wearing gear decreases it. The two aren't mutually exclusive.

"Wearing gear can potentially increase that chance."

maybe in your world.....Not in the real world.

If your helmet restricts your vision. Try a different helmet.
If your jacket in someway restricts your movement and ability to ride. Time to go shopping for a differen one.
NEED I GO ON??

Alex · August 1st, 2011, 01:14 PM

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Originally Posted by RhinoJC

I put a poll up. We'll let the community make the decision.

This isn't a "decision" that we all need to live with collectively. It's an individual decision where we take in all the available information, process it on our own, and make the right individual choices. This website promotes safe riding, safe learning, and the responsibility of wearing appropriate gear. Anyone seriously standing up and saying that gear is a tradeoff and has the potential for causing more accidents than not wearing that gear is not providing appropriate information for new riders who don't know any better.

RhinoJC · August 1st, 2011, 01:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Alex

I reject the question. It is pointless and misleading. Or even more correctly, it is incomplete.

"Do you agree or disagree that on average, gear has the potential to restrict movement or dull certain senses, such that there is any single case on the planet where choosing not to wear said gear would be ultimately safer for the motorcyclist, taking into account their own distractions and uncomfortableness in wearing anything but their birthday suit",

then I'd answer my modified question as I disagree.

No, my question was complete in that it directly applied to the relevant aspect of the point I'm trying to make.

Your question is biased, leading, and doesn't apply to the argument.

almost40 · August 1st, 2011, 01:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Alex

This isn't a "decision" that we all need to live with collectively. It's an individual decision where we take in all the available information, process it on our own, and make the right individual choices. This website promotes safe riding, safe learning, and the responsibility of wearing appropriate gear. Anyone seriously standing up and saying that gear is a tradeoff and has the potential for causing more accidents than not wearing that gear is not providing appropriate information for new riders who don't know any better.

AMEN...Preach it.

If you dont want to wear gear..... I DONT CARE. As stated before..its your A$$
I do care to help the new riders make inform decisions. Maybe, just maybe, Ill save a new rider the pain and discomfort of road rash.
Can you make that claim???

RhinoJC · August 1st, 2011, 01:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Alex

This isn't a "decision" that we all need to live with collectively. It's an individual decision where we take in all the available information, process it on our own, and make the right individual choices. This website promotes safe riding, safe learning, and the responsibility of wearing appropriate gear. Anyone seriously standing up and saying that gear is a tradeoff and has the potential for causing more accidents than not wearing that gear is not providing appropriate information for new riders who don't know any better.

So you feel that people shouldn't be given as much information as possible and then allowed to make their own decisions, but instead should simply be told what to do?

Alex · August 1st, 2011, 01:26 PM

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Originally Posted by RhinoJC

So you feel that people shouldn't be given as much information as possible and then allowed to make their own decisions

Of course - which is why I'm disagreeing with you. I wouldn't want your posts to stand here unchallenged as if they were shared by others.

almost40 · August 1st, 2011, 01:27 PM

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Originally Posted by RhinoJC

Your question is biased, leading, and doesn't apply to the argument.

I could say the same about yours. Plus Ill add mis/uninformed and has no basis in fact.

RhinoJC · August 1st, 2011, 01:27 PM

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Originally Posted by almost40

If you dont want to wear gear..... I DONT CARE. As stated before..its your A$$
I do care to help the new riders make inform decisions. Maybe, just maybe, Ill save a new rider the pain and discomfort of road rash.
Can you make that claim???

Yes I can, but instead of simply telling people what to do, I choose to inform them, treat them like adults, and allow them to make their own decision based in the information provided.

RhinoJC · August 1st, 2011, 01:29 PM

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Originally Posted by almost40

I could say the same about yours. Plus Ill add mis/uninformed and has no basis in fact.

The only statement you can say is ill informed is that gear can be restrictive. And since you can't speak for the entirety of the population, you can't make that statement.

almost40 · August 1st, 2011, 01:34 PM

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Originally Posted by RhinoJC

The only statement you can say is ill informed is that gear can be restrictive. And since you can't speak for the entirety of the population, you can't make that statement.

I JUST DID.

If you are now willing to admit that it IS ill informed to say gear can be restrictive. What exactly is your point in saying that it can raise the possibility of an accident?

RhinoJC · August 1st, 2011, 01:53 PM

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Originally Posted by almost40

I JUST DID.

If you are now willing to admit that it IS ill informed to say gear can be restrictive.

So you can speak for the entirety of the riding population? My poll would suggest otherwise, which was exactly the point of it.

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Originally Posted by almost40

What exactly is your point in saying that it can raise the possibility of an accident?

That was my point. Gear can be restrictive and that can increase the chances of an accident. There's no hidden meaning behind it.

You and Alex are the ones assuming there's some hidden message and then attempting to argue against a statement that I never made.

almost40 · August 1st, 2011, 01:59 PM

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Originally Posted by RhinoJC

So you can speak for the entirety of the riding population? My poll would suggest otherwise, which was exactly the point of it.

That was my point. Gear can be restrictive and that can increase the chances of an accident. There's no hidden meaning behind it.

And once again FOR THE LAST TIME.
IF YOUR GEAR IS RESTRICTIVE.

GET NEW GEAR.

rockNroll · August 1st, 2011, 02:00 PM

I've seen a bunch of times where someone gets proper gear and wads the bike the first time out with it. This being after many, many rides with makeshift or little/no gear without incident. It happens. Did the gear cause the crash? No, but sometimes there's an over confidence and/or feeling of "i'm as badass as Rock" that they feel when they put that gear on and it sometimes gets them into trouble.

If someone gets into trouble because their gear doesn't let them move about well enough to get the job done, the gear didn't cause the trouble, the rider did, when he/she put the ill fitting gear on. My leathers do restrict me some. I can't turn my head as sharp with my helmet n leathers on as I can right now, but I adapt and twist some at the waist too. If I crash because I didn't look back far enough due to wearing my leathers n helmet, it wasn't the gear that caused me to crash, it was just me.

This is my 3 cents. I'm right 90% of the time and the other 15% don't matter.

RhinoJC · August 1st, 2011, 02:03 PM

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Originally Posted by almost40

And once again FOR THE LAST TIME.
IF YOUR GEAR IS RESTRICTIVE.

GET NEW GEAR.

And once again FOR THE LAST TIME.
THAT'S NOT AN OPTION FOR EVERYONE.

almost40 · August 1st, 2011, 02:12 PM

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Originally Posted by RhinoJC

And once again FOR THE LAST TIME.
THAT'S NOT AN OPTION FOR EVERYONE.

AND ONCE AGAIN. GOOD LUCK WITH THE ROAD RASH. HOPE IT DOESNT GET INFECTED.

Ive posted all Im going to say on this thread as its becoming an exercise in futility.

onetruevibe · August 1st, 2011, 02:18 PM

I may or may not agree with the following comments:

Every motorcycle crash can be 100% avoided by simply choosing not to get on a motorcycle a the first place. If a person chooses to get on motorcycle and the result of that choice is a crash (regardless of the circumstances), it is that person's fault. It was a bad decision. They should have stayed home.

However, personally, I make bad decisions all day long. Like the worsted dress socks I wore on this hot summer day. Or the girl my gaze rested on a bit too long while out to lunch with the wife. Or my decision to ride my motorcycle in a college town filled with college girls who like to sext, smoke, and drink energy drinks while driving with a bony left knee.

Riding a motorcycle is risky business, and I make that risky decision every time I go out. Because of this initial decision on my part, I call them crashes and not accidents.

Lastly, to try and offset some the possible repercussions of that bad decision, I wear gear.

These are just my opinions and I hope some found them relevant and meaningful.

Brian

RhinoJC · August 1st, 2011, 02:19 PM

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Originally Posted by almost40

AND ONCE AGAIN. GOOD LUCK WITH THE ROAD RASH. HOPE IT DOESNT GET INFECTED.

If I tear up my legs, then that's my own fault. Unfortunately it's tough finding a pair of riding pants that fit properly. As far as the rest of me, I'm fairly well covered. Thanks for the concern though.

NavyNinjaDoc · August 1st, 2011, 02:20 PM

Sucks bro, Had a buddy and his arm looked just like yours. BUY A cooler jacket one that breathes better bro...100 degrees isnt worth a month or two of pain. get better soon man.

Alex · August 1st, 2011, 02:20 PM

I want to hear more about the girl at lunch.

Dr. Ew · August 1st, 2011, 03:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Alex

I want to hear more about the girl at lunch.

Ya... Does she have a sister?

nickjpass · August 1st, 2011, 04:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Dr. Ew

Ya... Does she have a sister?

What girl? This thread is so confusing.

DEXSPEED · August 1st, 2011, 04:06 PM

let's just ask the riders who have crashed and have injuries and not wearing protective gear if they will ride without gear ever again.

alex.s · August 1st, 2011, 04:41 PM

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Originally Posted by DEXSPEED

let's just ask the riders who have crashed and have injuries and not wearing protective gear if they will ride without gear ever again.

duh! how else are you going to show off your cool scars?

Dr. Ew · August 1st, 2011, 05:48 PM

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Originally Posted by nickjpass

What girl? This thread is so confusing.

Post 270 onetruevibe

Dr. Ew · August 1st, 2011, 05:49 PM

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Originally Posted by DEXSPEED

let's just ask the riders who have crashed and have injuries and not wearing protective gear if they will ride without gear ever again.

Thats why i just wear a helmet only when i ride.

onetruevibe · August 1st, 2011, 06:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Alex

I want to hear more about the girl at lunch.

Forget about it...I think my wife is lurking here.

Honko · August 1st, 2011, 06:55 PM

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Originally Posted by RhinoJC

You're making the assumption that everyone has access to properly fitting gear and that everyone knows what properly fitting gear is. The fact that there are so many gear fitment guides out there would suggest that a good number of people aren't wearing proper gear.

I'm making a statement based on an average rider in an average situation and you're arguing it with a perfect set of circumstances.

I'll ask my question again:

Do you agree or disagree that on average, gear has the potential to restrict movement or dull certain senses?

Wrong. The fact that there are so many gear fitment guides out there stresses the fact of how important it is for the gear to fit correctly. Go to any website that sells motorcycle gear and with every brand you will see an extensive list of measurements that can help you obtain the proper fit for every type of gear.

ally99 · August 2nd, 2011, 04:16 AM

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Originally Posted by RhinoJC

The part you're failing to see, and was likely poorly worded by others, is that no gear does not reduce the chance of a wreck, but gear does have the potential to increase it.

But it sure does reduce the chance of severe injury when an "accident" happens. I've never had my gear come near "causing" an accident. I see just fine through my helmet and am very mobile and comfortable when fully geared up. So no, in my personal experience, gear is not going to increase my chances of wrecking, however, your wording, "gear has the potential to increase the chances" could be correct depending on the rider.
The argument is gear vs no gear, which is safer. The answer is clearly gear is safer in terms of protection and has little or no impact on whether an accident actually occurs.

ally99 · August 2nd, 2011, 04:22 AM

Originally Posted by DEXSPEED
let's just ask the riders who have crashed and have injuries and not wearing protective gear if they will ride without gear ever again.

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Originally Posted by Dr. Ew

Thats why i just wear a helmet only when i ride.

????Helmet only? You quoted Dexspeed's quote above and then made your comment which made absolutely no sense. He was saying if you ask anyone who crashed and has injuries if they'll ride again without protective gear (assuming they are even capable of ever riding again), they'd very likely (duh!) say no and will gear up to prevent the pain of not doing so. Then you replied, with your above statement about only wearing a helmet. Your protected head is no good with a broken back, road rash across the rest of your body, etc, etc, etc.

"A" · August 2nd, 2011, 04:42 AM

I've crashed dozens of times as a bicycle messenger, road racer and mountain biker and received pretty good road/gravel rash many times.

On motorcycles I've crashed many times on MX tracks, trails and pavement, injuries I received were quite extensive.

I choose to ride with or without gear at my leisure, I never rely on riding gear to get my out of accidents; I use my best judgment to avoid accidents.

No amount of gear is going to help you avoid accidents if you do not ride with the most basic riding skills or awareness of your surroundings.

Wearing gear is no substitute for paying attention to what you are doing or know how to control your vehicle at all time.

August 1st, 2011, 11:15 AM	#241
Alex ninjette.org dude Name: 1 guess :-) Location: SF Bay Area Join Date: Jun 2008 Motorcycle(s): '13 Ninja 300 (white, the fastest color!), '13 R1200RT, '14 CRF250L, '12 TT-R125LE Posts: Too much. Blog Entries: 7	Clearly. __________________________________________________ Montgomery Street Motorcycle Club / cal24.com / crf250l.org / ninjette.org ninjette.org Terms of Service Shopping for motorcycle parts or equipment? Come here first. The friendliest Ninja 250R/300/400 forum on the internet! (especially Unregistered)

August 1st, 2011, 11:28 AM	#242
almost40 ninjette.org Monkey Spank Name: Kevin Location: Illinois Join Date: Apr 2009 Motorcycle(s): 2008 250R Track-Bike Woodcraft clip-ons and rearsets FZ-6 track bike Posts: A lot.	do you care to back up your claim that "Actually, the argument that gear increases the likelihood of a wreck is a valid one " What is your source for this?? Your brain?? Making a statement and the asking the other party to prove his side is the most idiotic thing ever. You were called on it . BY ME. Now prove your statement. Ill say this. ITS NOT THE GEAR.....ITS THE RIDER. If YOU percieve greater saftey while wearing your gear and CHOOSE to ride more reckless. THEN ITS YOUR FAULT. Has nothing to do with the gear. ITS THE WAY YOU VIEW THE SITUATION IN YOUR PEA SIZED BRAIN. Most of us here understand that the riding is dangerous and we wear gear to protect ourself the best we can. It doesnt change the way we ride. If YOU put on gear, and then your brain says to you go faster be more reckless because your wearing leather. YOUR A MORON. I would start a poll on this if it wasnt so IDIOTIC. Next quote "Not everyone fits the same cookie-cutter body structure that the vast majority of bike gear is modeled after. Especially if that person has a larger upper body. Personally I've found several jackets that are either restrictive in the shoulders, or are loose to the point that when leaning too far forward, cause the shoulder area of the jacket to bunch up around the helmet and restrict head movement, even more so when that jacket has shoulder pads. I have yet to find riding pants that fit properly. Either they're too long, too baggy, or too tight in the crotch or waste." They do make CUSTOM SUITS ya know. Next quote "Wind noise because of the helmet is sufficient enough to cause hearing damage. That high of a pitch at those decibels, or the use of earplug, is more than enough to dull the sound of a nearby vehicle, depending on the vehicle" Im guessing its totally silent when you arent wearing a helmet. Lastly "Ever had your jacket whip around or puff up? That's drag. Why do you think people tuck when they accelerate?" UHHH NO. My gear fits me properly. I still fail to see how this has anything to do with making it unsafe to wear gear. Please explain in detail so I can pick it apart. __________________________________________________ Black 250R Full Area P QC Dyno Jet Kit 100 main 41T Rear Sprocket

August 1st, 2011, 12:40 PM	#247
Alex ninjette.org dude Name: 1 guess :-) Location: SF Bay Area Join Date: Jun 2008 Motorcycle(s): '13 Ninja 300 (white, the fastest color!), '13 R1200RT, '14 CRF250L, '12 TT-R125LE Posts: Too much. Blog Entries: 7	You defined wearing gear as some sort of safety tradeoff. That is what I am most strenuously disagreeing with. I think your argument is both wrong and dangerous. I reject your claim that proper gear has the potential to increase the chances of a wreck. If that stated potential is actually realized by any actual motorcycle wearing any actual gear, the motorcyclist chose the wrong gear or is more easily distracted than any of us need to be on two wheels. __________________________________________________ Montgomery Street Motorcycle Club / cal24.com / crf250l.org / ninjette.org ninjette.org Terms of Service Shopping for motorcycle parts or equipment? Come here first. The friendliest Ninja 250R/300/400 forum on the internet! (especially Unregistered)

August 1st, 2011, 01:10 PM	#250
Alex ninjette.org dude Name: 1 guess :-) Location: SF Bay Area Join Date: Jun 2008 Motorcycle(s): '13 Ninja 300 (white, the fastest color!), '13 R1200RT, '14 CRF250L, '12 TT-R125LE Posts: Too much. Blog Entries: 7	I reject the question. It is pointless and misleading. Or even more correctly, it is incomplete. "Do you agree or disagree that on average, gear has the potential to restrict movement or dull certain senses, such that there is any single case on the planet where choosing not to wear said gear would be ultimately safer for the motorcyclist, taking into account their own distractions and uncomfortableness in wearing anything but their birthday suit", then I'd answer my modified question as I disagree. __________________________________________________ Montgomery Street Motorcycle Club / cal24.com / crf250l.org / ninjette.org ninjette.org Terms of Service Shopping for motorcycle parts or equipment? Come here first. The friendliest Ninja 250R/300/400 forum on the internet! (especially Unregistered)

August 1st, 2011, 02:00 PM	#263
rockNroll . Name: rock Location: greenville, south carolina Join Date: Jun 2009 Motorcycle(s): black Posts: A lot.	I've seen a bunch of times where someone gets proper gear and wads the bike the first time out with it. This being after many, many rides with makeshift or little/no gear without incident. It happens. Did the gear cause the crash? No, but sometimes there's an over confidence and/or feeling of "i'm as badass as Rock" that they feel when they put that gear on and it sometimes gets them into trouble. If someone gets into trouble because their gear doesn't let them move about well enough to get the job done, the gear didn't cause the trouble, the rider did, when he/she put the ill fitting gear on. My leathers do restrict me some. I can't turn my head as sharp with my helmet n leathers on as I can right now, but I adapt and twist some at the waist too. If I crash because I didn't look back far enough due to wearing my leathers n helmet, it wasn't the gear that caused me to crash, it was just me. This is my 3 cents. I'm right 90% of the time and the other 15% don't matter. __________________________________________________ Always get a second opinion because most of these people are makin' this stuff up

August 1st, 2011, 12:12 PM	#244
Jesse8931 ninjette.org guru Name: Jesse Location: Ann arbor mi Join Date: Mar 2011 Motorcycle(s): 2007 ninja 250r Posts: 374	Op can I use your pics on a website for motorcycle safety that I am building.

August 1st, 2011, 01:09 PM	#249
RhinoJC ninjette.org member Name: Jeremy Location: Hawaii Join Date: Feb 2010 Motorcycle(s): None yet Posts: 108	I put a poll up. We'll let the community make the decision.

August 1st, 2011, 02:18 PM	#266
onetruevibe Love Rival Name: Brian Location: Western PA Join Date: Jun 2010 Motorcycle(s): 2008 Ninja 250r Posts: 449	I may or may not agree with the following comments: Every motorcycle crash can be 100% avoided by simply choosing not to get on a motorcycle a the first place. If a person chooses to get on motorcycle and the result of that choice is a crash (regardless of the circumstances), it is that person's fault. It was a bad decision. They should have stayed home. However, personally, I make bad decisions all day long. Like the worsted dress socks I wore on this hot summer day. Or the girl my gaze rested on a bit too long while out to lunch with the wife. Or my decision to ride my motorcycle in a college town filled with college girls who like to sext, smoke, and drink energy drinks while driving with a bony left knee. Riding a motorcycle is risky business, and I make that risky decision every time I go out. Because of this initial decision on my part, I call them crashes and not accidents. Lastly, to try and offset some the possible repercussions of that bad decision, I wear gear. These are just my opinions and I hope some found them relevant and meaningful. Brian __________________________________________________ “Comparison is the thief of joy.” -Dwight Edwards

August 1st, 2011, 02:20 PM	#268
NavyNinjaDoc Navy Ninja Doc Name: Michael Location: San Diego Join Date: Jul 2011 Motorcycle(s): 2008 kawasaki ninja 250R Posts: 13	Sucks bro, Had a buddy and his arm looked just like yours. BUY A cooler jacket one that breathes better bro...100 degrees isnt worth a month or two of pain. get better soon man. __________________________________________________ -NavyDOC- MY FACEBOOK MY YOUTUBE CHANNEL

August 1st, 2011, 02:20 PM	#269
Alex ninjette.org dude Name: 1 guess :-) Location: SF Bay Area Join Date: Jun 2008 Motorcycle(s): '13 Ninja 300 (white, the fastest color!), '13 R1200RT, '14 CRF250L, '12 TT-R125LE Posts: Too much. Blog Entries: 7	I want to hear more about the girl at lunch. __________________________________________________ Montgomery Street Motorcycle Club / cal24.com / crf250l.org / ninjette.org ninjette.org Terms of Service Shopping for motorcycle parts or equipment? Come here first. The friendliest Ninja 250R/300/400 forum on the internet! (especially Unregistered)

August 1st, 2011, 04:06 PM	#272
DEXSPEED 2012 is here,let's ride!! Name: dex Location: visalia,ca. Join Date: Sep 2009 Motorcycle(s): 2009R,'12 suzuki +500 Posts: 354	let's just ask the riders who have crashed and have injuries and not wearing protective gear if they will ride without gear ever again. __________________________________________________ ''I regulate every shade of that!''

August 2nd, 2011, 04:42 AM	#280
"A" vampire Name: A Location: IT Join Date: Feb 2011 Motorcycle(s): 2 many 2 list Posts: A lot.	I've crashed dozens of times as a bicycle messenger, road racer and mountain biker and received pretty good road/gravel rash many times. On motorcycles I've crashed many times on MX tracks, trails and pavement, injuries I received were quite extensive. I choose to ride with or without gear at my leisure, I never rely on riding gear to get my out of accidents; I use my best judgment to avoid accidents. No amount of gear is going to help you avoid accidents if you do not ride with the most basic riding skills or awareness of your surroundings. Wearing gear is no substitute for paying attention to what you are doing or know how to control your vehicle at all time.

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