May 22nd, 2014, 09:33 AM | #1 |
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CDI replacing BRT i-DTIS with Programmable or Non-Programmable?
Hello fellas
I think my bike has CDi problem and looking to replace one with this BRT i-DTIS. The owner on the site is an arse. Sent 3 emails, replied with only one, no help. I do not know which I should buy between programmable or the other. Can anyone please help? Price is 200 to 305 Thank you!!! |
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May 22nd, 2014, 09:45 AM | #2 | |
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If you're not racing the bike or modifying it to a large degree (cams, pistons, nitrous, larger carbs etc..), you only need the non programmable version. The two pre-programmed maps contained in it are more than enough for the casual street rider. |
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May 22nd, 2014, 09:51 AM | #4 | |
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Thanks, i am a normal rider, so I will be non programmable one. Thanks |
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May 22nd, 2014, 10:06 AM | #5 |
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just buy a used stock cdi?
$30 bucks and it's yours what's your shipping address. I take pay pal j/k... but seriously PM if you are interested
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May 22nd, 2014, 10:22 AM | #6 |
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May 22nd, 2014, 10:38 AM | #7 |
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IDK?? who said that? your bike is stock right? not sure what the problem would be?
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May 22nd, 2014, 10:51 AM | #8 |
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May 22nd, 2014, 04:40 PM | #9 |
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I've got a BRT on my bike, what do you want to know?
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May 22nd, 2014, 04:46 PM | #10 |
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I have a BRT on my bike, what do you want to know?
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May 29th, 2014, 04:54 AM | #11 |
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June 2nd, 2014, 08:47 AM | #12 |
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I installed the BRT and the tach needle no longer jumped which is good. Obviously the stock CDI has a problem. However after installing the BRT, starting the bike is difficult. Took about 5-6 times to start it. I did not install the on/off switch. The idle is high. The RPM is also high. Right now if i do 60mph, RPM is around 7500 to 8000. Is that something I can do to adjust it?
BRT sent me a map in PDF file and they did not tell me much. I am confused. |
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June 2nd, 2014, 09:00 AM | #13 | |
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60 mph @ 7500 rpms is about right for a bike with stock gearing. Install a 15 tooth front sprocket and your speed will change to approx 65 mph @ 7500 rpms. |
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June 2nd, 2014, 09:31 AM | #14 |
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Thank you Dablue. my bike is 100% stock. Ok, I will buy the 15tooth sprocket. Thank you!
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June 2nd, 2014, 09:58 AM | #15 | |
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Note; an slight increase in idle speed with the BRT-iDTIS is normal, however, it should not be so high as to cause overheating. |
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June 2nd, 2014, 10:09 AM | #16 |
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did you get the programmable or non programmable?
If my memory serves me correctly the switch in the OFF position or switch not even hooked up... I think? check the switch to see if on is the closed circuit or not? to make sure. But yeah switch in OFF position = more advanced map (more performance) and also = suggested to run higher octane fuel. If I remember correctly if you want to run the non performance map you need to wire the switch circuit closed or just use the switch. I have the programmable and I don't use the switch but set both maps the same so avoid any of this confusion in the instance I could not remember the finer details... and clearly it was a good idea.
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June 2nd, 2014, 10:18 AM | #17 |
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I bought the non programmable. I did not use the switch. I leave it the way it is and installed.
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June 2nd, 2014, 10:30 AM | #18 |
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^ yes I read that already. Do you know which map is which though? since you did not use the switch, that circuit is left open which is probably the same as having the switch in the OFF position. (again I don't know which way the switch works, I could check when I get home. ON and OFF on the switch doesn't have to mean closed and open for the circuit) But with the switch circuit open (no switch wired in) that may be the performance map, I am not sure. YOU should look into it and make sure you are running the correct map for the fuel you are using. Advanced timing and lower grade octane can result in pinging and detonation.
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June 2nd, 2014, 12:47 PM | #19 |
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I didn't use the switch but I put the closed loop white plug as you see in the picture. I always use 93 octain gas.
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June 2nd, 2014, 01:25 PM | #20 | |
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June 2nd, 2014, 01:47 PM | #21 |
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BRT
They sent me this and little note on the email. I do not understand.
regarding the BRT, =============== Jumper not installed or switch is in OFF position = standard map (map 1 in pdf sheet), if unsure please check lights on ignition unit, if red light only is on then ignition is on standard map. Jumper installed or switch is in ON position = tune up map (map 2 in pdf sheet), to make sure, red light and green light on the ignition both have to be on, then ignition is on tune up map. =============== |
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June 2nd, 2014, 02:15 PM | #22 | |
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A little test run won't hurt either, to determine which one you like best. |
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June 2nd, 2014, 02:40 PM | #23 |
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Looking at those timing tables , it's very impressive to peg the timing at 43*
I would use premium gas and hope for no knock (not sure how the non-efi bikes retard timing in case of knock) I wouldn't mind a stronger pulling bike using more timing but it makes me wondering if I'm pushing the limits at all No way to monitor it
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June 2nd, 2014, 02:48 PM | #24 | |
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You can always get a programmable version if you wanted to change your map. |
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June 2nd, 2014, 03:14 PM | #25 |
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alright that makes sense then, you never mentioned you were using the closed loop plug.
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June 2nd, 2014, 03:26 PM | #26 |
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Starting is suffering
Starting the bike is very difficult now. It takes many tries to make it start. This is going to make the starter dies soon.
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June 2nd, 2014, 03:51 PM | #27 |
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See it's not about changing the map. It's about adding timing safely until knock then back off
How does one do this with a carb'd ninja? I would like to trust the maps pre programmed but how can one tell if it's doing any harm?
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June 2nd, 2014, 04:40 PM | #28 | |
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June 2nd, 2014, 04:46 PM | #29 |
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This is what I do. With stock compression on a 2008 or newer engine . Start with the 88 to 94 ignition module timing that was set at 42 deg. Stock for an 08-12 is 35 deg. Set your timing to 42 across the board. 10 up to 3500. But 42 deg all the way to 16000 rpm then save. You must save . Ride it and see how it goes. Jetting the carb at 112 keihn jets . Maybe a shim under the needle. If you have a flat spot around. 8000 rpm add a deg or two from 7500 to 9000 and you are done. I have spent hundreds of hours on the dyno playing with the BRT ignition system . It rocks . Don't go over 44 deg and also use cooler plugs
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June 2nd, 2014, 04:46 PM | #30 | |
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Do you use choke? Do you slightly open the throttle? Keep in mind your bike is no longer stock, so the things you used to do, you may have to tweak. You may have to use map#1 and 87 octane adjust your idle mixture screws. Testing and tuning is going to be your best approach. |
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June 2nd, 2014, 07:13 PM | #31 |
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@wyciwug - "However after installing the BRT, starting the bike is difficult."
That's because the timing in the lower range with 27 degree is advanced much to high, there it's better to retard the ignition for easier starting. @Bob2010 - the 43 degrees is no problem, I'm using this also on my 2011 Ninja (even with 87 gasoline there's absolute no knocking). Also the gas usage is going down by up to 15% - not to talk about the much better response and more powerful feel of the engine. |
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June 2nd, 2014, 08:17 PM | #32 |
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I been on the fence about using the brt for a bit..... I would like to try it...
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I really would like to try the BRT or even the Pregen CDI as well. The aftermarket modules are so expensive for what you get though.
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June 2nd, 2014, 08:36 PM | #34 | |
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Hi, I am using BRT also. I think closed loop (jumper) is in Map 2. Take a look green light ON, when you disconnect jumper then Green light is OFF. I am using switch, off switch (O) map1 and on switch (-) map2. |
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Scroll down to the Ignition Advancer Kit RTR-KAW-5-05. Why don't you go this not so expensive way? That's what I'm using - very happy with it. |
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June 3rd, 2014, 05:39 AM | #36 | |
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I have been running one of the more aggressive maps on the map chart for quite some time on pump 93, I feel like my bike has been running stellar especially as of lately. I hope to get it on a dyno in the next month or so If it goes well it goes, ill see if i can salvage anything, if not lightly used engine for a couple hundred bucks
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