Another addition to the wall of shame

jpbear · December 3rd, 2012, 07:59 AM

Link to original page on YouTube.

Thats me about an hour and a half ago..

@Jiggles for his compilation

My second crash in two and a half months and it was exactly at the same traffic roundabout.. something about the roundabout - maybe I should just get down and walk around it..

csmith12 · December 3rd, 2012, 08:03 AM

Awwww sucks JP. You all good?

Alex · December 3rd, 2012, 08:08 AM

Looks like the white paint to me. Was it raining the night before, and still slick? Takes surprisingly little throttle to break the rear loose with a little lean angle when on the paint.

rojoracing53 · December 3rd, 2012, 08:31 AM

White paint for sure and it looks like the front went first but I'm not on the bike so it's hard to tell from the video.

After rain the asphalts traction can be surprisingly good and the same cant be said for paint lines. I treat cold paint lines like there are all glazed with ice.

BlueHairSar · December 3rd, 2012, 08:31 AM

Is it just me, or does it seem like our area has been seeing more crashes than most in recent times (at least ninjette crashes). Can we change this, please!?

Motofool · December 3rd, 2012, 08:59 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jpbear

......My second crash in two and a half months and it was exactly at the same traffic roundabout.. something about the roundabout - maybe I should just get down and walk around it..

Really amazing !!

I am sorry about both falls.

I hope the damage to the bike and yourself has been minimal.

Check if those pavement marks are paint or glued plastic; the last one is extremely slippery.

Were you accelerating or braking?

Maybe too fast for the temperature of the tires; you missed an opportunity to warm them up with heavy braking at that stop sign that you rolled.

Best !

nycsteve · December 3rd, 2012, 09:21 AM

Sucks to hear jp. Hope you and the bike are in good shape.

It does look like the white strip was a bit too slippery.

BTW, you do take that short road a bit quick if i remember correctly from the Ocean City ride.

You just might be too quick for those strips with that lean angle and cold tires!

Good luck.

Jono · December 3rd, 2012, 09:28 AM

Damn that sucks!! Looks like that road was pretty slick from the looks of the GoPro laying on the asphalt. Next time just take it slower.

jpbear · December 3rd, 2012, 09:29 AM

The Roads were looking slick and wet. and I thought I was very careful as I took the roundabout turn slowly and gingerly than my normal ride..

. I didnt realise the paint strips can be slippery.. The rear went first for sure. and I was thinking even as it went - **** was I leaning that much?. It didnt strike me if it could be the paint strips that caused it..

Bike has more scratches to the fairing, broken indicator lamp (Can be fixed).. scratched pipe, damaged brake pedal (can be fixed easily).. scratched brake lever and handle end..

Rider - slight glove rash on my left hand thumb , torn trousers (had freezeouts underneath).. some pulled muscles..

I felt the Helmet plant itself against the asphalt with a thud - so I am going to need a new one.. the visor attachment system broke on it as well..

So new gloves, new Helmet.

Alex · December 3rd, 2012, 10:57 AM

Yup. The roads are made to absorb moisture, and leave a reasonable amount of traction. The paint on the roads prevents much (if any) of the water from seeping into the pavement, and it sits on top of the paint waiting for unsuspecting motorcyclists. Glad you weren't banged up too badly.

When you encounter lines like this in the future, make sure that the bike is as straight up and down as possible before you get to them, and have no sudden control inputs, whether steering, braking, or acceleration; until you get to the other side of them.

Motofool · December 3rd, 2012, 11:23 AM

In order to have a better idea about the huge difference of grip, stop over there after any rain, dismount and twist your foot and shoe (rubber sole) over the pavement and then, over the white strip.

Same applies to iron or steel surfaces, such like manholes and rail roads.

subxero · December 3rd, 2012, 12:15 PM

Tough break, could have happened to anyone. I find it hard to gauge traction when roads are slightly wet and tend to air on the side of caution but the walkway strips are the kicker, those things are trouble.

evoaz92 · December 3rd, 2012, 01:13 PM

dawm man, hope your alright..hopefully nothings wrong with the bike. its good you posted this video cause now everyone else can learn from it!

akima · December 3rd, 2012, 01:28 PM

It's really hard for me to get a feel for what happened in that video and why you went down.

It looks like you were going pretty fast into that bend... like 40MPH?

Hopefully this wont put you off riding in the wet. I hammer around on my ninjette in the wet. I barely adjust my riding compared to how I ride in the dry. I tend to just not lean quite so far, leave slightly bigger stopping distances and (like others have said) treat metal and painted surfaces like they're an ice rink. Otherwise though I feel planted.

During our equivalent of the MSF my instructors tell us what to look out for and how to treat the road when it's wet. They all told me that I don't need to worry about it... just slippy paint and drain covers. It's always wet over here so we have to make the best of it!

Glad you're ok.

Edit: Oh... I don't think anyone has mentioned that: the first day it rains after a period of dry, the roads can be really slippy. All the dust and dirt on the road terms into a slippery grime - my dad was always warning me about that when I first learnt to drive. I take it really easy on days like that.

Oh: and leaves... watch out for the autumn leaves. They may look pretty, but they're evil plotting things that have a sick and twisted desire to turn motorcycles into surf boards.

80MPHdownhill · December 3rd, 2012, 01:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jpbear

My second crash in two and a half months and it was exactly at the same traffic roundabout..

You really need an R6.

Or this:

jpbear · December 3rd, 2012, 01:59 PM

I have ridden in wet weather before - even when it was pouring cats and dogs.
But I missed the memo on the cross walk paths and on paint lines when wet- I should have been extra careful . i count myself lucky that I could walk / ride away from there.

Things I could have done right.

1. Make the tyres more warmer
2. Do the roundabout a bit slower and more upright.
3. Slow down for that cross path/go between the lines.
4. Wear the protective kneepads under the trousers (Which I didnt today - nothing bad happened but still...)
5. Know about this stuff on paintstripes and cross walks - I admit (foolishly) that I didnt give it much importance till today
6. Record the movie at 60fps

Things I did right
1) ATTGATT
2) Record the ride at whatever fps I could..

This is good enough reason for me to stick to the 250.. No R6 for me yet...

Miles_Prower · December 3rd, 2012, 02:09 PM

gotta wheelie around the roundabouts!

jpbear · December 3rd, 2012, 02:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Miles_Prower

gotta wheelie around the roundabouts!

..with a hot bunnie in the back.. while flipping the bird..

csmith12 · December 3rd, 2012, 03:53 PM

Glad you're not really hurt JP.

alex.s · December 3rd, 2012, 04:16 PM

first and foremost, congratulations on a fantastic maneuver. also congrats on no injuries.
i dont understand from the video though... did your rear slide out first or did your front slide first?

EternalNewb · December 3rd, 2012, 04:21 PM

Man, that sucks. Glad you're ok though. I keep seeing people mention the paint strips and loss of traction lately. Scary.

Samer · December 3rd, 2012, 04:23 PM

Sorry about your low side. May I suggest that an early apex contributed to the accident? The line you took forced a tight radius towards the late part of the turn which is where the paint was. If you late apex in the future you will be more upright over the paint.

rojoracing53 · December 3rd, 2012, 04:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jpbear

..with a hot bunnie in the back.. while flipping the bird..

For lessons in this I suggest listening to this guy

http://www.ninjette.org/forums/showthread.php?t=120037

CC Cowboy · December 3rd, 2012, 04:39 PM

Try a different route

jpbear · December 3rd, 2012, 05:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by alex.s

first and foremost, congratulations on a fantastic maneuver. also congrats on no injuries.
i dont understand from the video though... did your rear slide out first or did your front slide first?

From what i remember ... the rear slid out first. Don t remember losing the front till it was almost on the side

Quote:

Originally Posted by CC Cowboy

Try a different route

Already considering taking the first exit out of the Rotary than the second one

Jiggles · December 3rd, 2012, 06:25 PM

Your DIY on how to crash a 2fiddy is not very good. I tried this and was unable to crash, what am I doing wrong?

Motofool · December 3rd, 2012, 06:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Motofool

......Were you accelerating or braking?

Quote:

Originally Posted by jpbear

From what i remember ... the rear slid out first. Don t remember losing the front till it was almost on the side

Accelerating you were then.

jpbear · December 3rd, 2012, 06:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Motofool

Accelerating you were then.

Yes, i was accelerating for sure.. I should have coasted through i guess

csmith12 · December 3rd, 2012, 09:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jpbear

Yes, i was accelerating for sure.. I should have coasted through i guess

Avoidance during wet times should be the first choice. Just like track riders avoid the painted rumble strips in the wet. Is there room to ride between the painted areas?

Maintain.... Don't try any funny business with braking or throttle while riding over it. Just be loose, be smooth and as straight up as possible.

Best wishes.

psych0hans · December 3rd, 2012, 09:42 PM

s**t happens bro, just learn from it and move on... Glad it wasn't worse...

NewbieNinja · December 9th, 2012, 04:57 PM

This is insane.. I would have done the same exact thing.. it looked like a ghost just pushed you from the right..

December 3rd, 2012, 07:59 AM	#1
jpbear ninjette.org member Name: JP Location: Bear, DE Join Date: Aug 2012 Motorcycle(s): Ninja 250 Posts: 123	Another addition to the wall of shame Link to original page on YouTube. Thats me about an hour and a half ago.. @Jiggles for his compilation My second crash in two and a half months and it was exactly at the same traffic roundabout.. something about the roundabout - maybe I should just get down and walk around it..

December 3rd, 2012, 08:03 AM	#2
csmith12 The Corner Whisperer Name: Chris (aka Reactor) Location: Northern KY Join Date: May 2011 Motorcycle(s): 2010 250 (track), 1992 250, 2006 R6 (street/track), 2008 R6 (track) Posts: Too much. MOTY 2015, MOTM - Nov '12, Nov '13	Awwww sucks JP. You all good? __________________________________________________ Goal: Shake A Million Hands \| Look through the corners \| Track Day Prep \| Closest track? \| The Mid-Ohio School

December 3rd, 2012, 08:08 AM	#3
Alex ninjette.org dude Name: 1 guess :-) Location: SF Bay Area Join Date: Jun 2008 Motorcycle(s): '13 Ninja 300 (white, the fastest color!), '13 R1200RT, '14 CRF250L, '12 TT-R125LE Posts: Too much. Blog Entries: 7	Looks like the white paint to me. Was it raining the night before, and still slick? Takes surprisingly little throttle to break the rear loose with a little lean angle when on the paint. __________________________________________________ Montgomery Street Motorcycle Club / cal24.com / crf250l.org / ninjette.org ninjette.org Terms of Service Shopping for motorcycle parts or equipment? Come here first. The friendliest Ninja 250R/300/400 forum on the internet! (especially Unregistered)

December 3rd, 2012, 09:21 AM	#7
nycsteve Biker Name: Steve Location: Brooklyn, NY Join Date: Nov 2011 Motorcycle(s): 2010 Ninja 250 SE Posts: 723	Sucks to hear jp. Hope you and the bike are in good shape. It does look like the white strip was a bit too slippery. BTW, you do take that short road a bit quick if i remember correctly from the Ocean City ride. You just might be too quick for those strips with that lean angle and cold tires! Good luck. __________________________________________________ S*** Happens! Design Stuff \| Tumblr James 1:2-4 Last futzed with by nycsteve; December 3rd, 2012 at 11:00 AM.

December 3rd, 2012, 10:57 AM	#10
Alex ninjette.org dude Name: 1 guess :-) Location: SF Bay Area Join Date: Jun 2008 Motorcycle(s): '13 Ninja 300 (white, the fastest color!), '13 R1200RT, '14 CRF250L, '12 TT-R125LE Posts: Too much. Blog Entries: 7	Yup. The roads are made to absorb moisture, and leave a reasonable amount of traction. The paint on the roads prevents much (if any) of the water from seeping into the pavement, and it sits on top of the paint waiting for unsuspecting motorcyclists. Glad you weren't banged up too badly. When you encounter lines like this in the future, make sure that the bike is as straight up and down as possible before you get to them, and have no sudden control inputs, whether steering, braking, or acceleration; until you get to the other side of them. __________________________________________________ Montgomery Street Motorcycle Club / cal24.com / crf250l.org / ninjette.org ninjette.org Terms of Service Shopping for motorcycle parts or equipment? Come here first. The friendliest Ninja 250R/300/400 forum on the internet! (especially Unregistered)
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December 3rd, 2012, 08:31 AM	#4
rojoracing53 Fast-Guy wannabe Name: Jason Location: Brentwood, Ca Join Date: Oct 2011 Motorcycle(s): 2009 Ninja250, 2011 RM-Z250, 2004 NSR50, Posts: A lot. MOTM - Jan '13	White paint for sure and it looks like the front went first but I'm not on the bike so it's hard to tell from the video. After rain the asphalts traction can be surprisingly good and the same cant be said for paint lines. I treat cold paint lines like there are all glazed with ice.

December 3rd, 2012, 08:31 AM	#5
BlueHairSar ninjette.org sage Name: Sarah Location: NYC Join Date: Aug 2012 Motorcycle(s): Silver 2005 Ninja 250 - Available for free mustache rides. Posts: 842	Is it just me, or does it seem like our area has been seeing more crashes than most in recent times (at least ninjette crashes). Can we change this, please!?

December 3rd, 2012, 09:28 AM	#8
Jono ninjette.org certified postwhore Name: Jono Location: Memphis, TN Join Date: Sep 2011 Motorcycle(s): 2009 Triumph Street Triple, 2009 KLX250SF, 2003 Suzuki SV650S (Sold), 2006 Ninja 250 (Sold) Posts: A lot.	Damn that sucks!! Looks like that road was pretty slick from the looks of the GoPro laying on the asphalt. Next time just take it slower.

December 3rd, 2012, 09:29 AM	#9
jpbear ninjette.org member Name: JP Location: Bear, DE Join Date: Aug 2012 Motorcycle(s): Ninja 250 Posts: 123	The Roads were looking slick and wet. and I thought I was very careful as I took the roundabout turn slowly and gingerly than my normal ride.. . I didnt realise the paint strips can be slippery.. The rear went first for sure. and I was thinking even as it went - **** was I leaning that much?. It didnt strike me if it could be the paint strips that caused it.. Bike has more scratches to the fairing, broken indicator lamp (Can be fixed).. scratched pipe, damaged brake pedal (can be fixed easily).. scratched brake lever and handle end.. Rider - slight glove rash on my left hand thumb , torn trousers (had freezeouts underneath).. some pulled muscles.. I felt the Helmet plant itself against the asphalt with a thud - so I am going to need a new one.. the visor attachment system broke on it as well.. So new gloves, new Helmet.

December 3rd, 2012, 11:23 AM	#11
Motofool Daily Ninjette rider Name: Hernan Location: Florida Join Date: Mar 2011 Motorcycle(s): 2007 Ninja 250 Posts: A lot. MOTY - 2016, MOTM - Dec '12, Jan '14, Jan '15, May '16	In order to have a better idea about the huge difference of grip, stop over there after any rain, dismount and twist your foot and shoe (rubber sole) over the pavement and then, over the white strip. Same applies to iron or steel surfaces, such like manholes and rail roads. __________________________________________________ *Motofool* *.................................Never ride faster than your guardian angel can fly* "Mankind is composed of two sorts of men — those who love and create, and those who hate and destroy. Love is the bond between men, the way to teach and the center of the world." - José Martí

December 3rd, 2012, 12:15 PM	#12
subxero dirty boy Name: Joe Location: Johnstown, PA Join Date: Sep 2012 Motorcycle(s): I don't even know anymore?? Posts: A lot. MOTM - Apr '14	Tough break, could have happened to anyone. I find it hard to gauge traction when roads are slightly wet and tend to air on the side of caution but the walkway strips are the kicker, those things are trouble.

December 3rd, 2012, 01:13 PM	#13
evoaz92 ninjette.org newbie Name: Alex Location: NYC Join Date: Dec 2012 Motorcycle(s): 08 NINJA 250R Posts: 6	dawm man, hope your alright..hopefully nothings wrong with the bike. its good you posted this video cause now everyone else can learn from it!

December 3rd, 2012, 01:28 PM	#14
akima Nooblet Name: Akima Location: England Join Date: Jul 2011 Motorcycle(s): 2011 Ninja 250R FI Posts: A lot. Blog Entries: 5 MOTM - Oct '13	It's really hard for me to get a feel for what happened in that video and why you went down. It looks like you were going pretty fast into that bend... like 40MPH? Hopefully this wont put you off riding in the wet. I hammer around on my ninjette in the wet. I barely adjust my riding compared to how I ride in the dry. I tend to just not lean quite so far, leave slightly bigger stopping distances and (like others have said) treat metal and painted surfaces like they're an ice rink. Otherwise though I feel planted. During our equivalent of the MSF my instructors tell us what to look out for and how to treat the road when it's wet. They all told me that I don't need to worry about it... just slippy paint and drain covers. It's always wet over here so we have to make the best of it! Glad you're ok. Edit: Oh... I don't think anyone has mentioned that: the first day it rains after a period of dry, the roads can be really slippy. All the dust and dirt on the road terms into a slippery grime - my dad was always warning me about that when I first learnt to drive. I take it really easy on days like that. Oh: and leaves... watch out for the autumn leaves. They may look pretty, but they're evil plotting things that have a sick and twisted desire to turn motorcycles into surf boards.
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December 3rd, 2012, 01:59 PM	#16
jpbear ninjette.org member Name: JP Location: Bear, DE Join Date: Aug 2012 Motorcycle(s): Ninja 250 Posts: 123	I have ridden in wet weather before - even when it was pouring cats and dogs. But I missed the memo on the cross walk paths and on paint lines when wet- I should have been extra careful . i count myself lucky that I could walk / ride away from there. Things I could have done right. 1. Make the tyres more warmer 2. Do the roundabout a bit slower and more upright. 3. Slow down for that cross path/go between the lines. 4. Wear the protective kneepads under the trousers (Which I didnt today - nothing bad happened but still...) 5. Know about this stuff on paintstripes and cross walks - I admit (foolishly) that I didnt give it much importance till today 6. Record the movie at 60fps Things I did right 1) ATTGATT 2) Record the ride at whatever fps I could.. This is good enough reason for me to stick to the 250.. No R6 for me yet...

December 3rd, 2012, 02:09 PM	#17
Miles_Prower One Loyal Fox Name: Rahul Location: Mechanicsburg, PA Join Date: Apr 2012 Motorcycle(s): 2012 Ninja 250R (RIP), 2011 ZX-6R Posts: 869	gotta wheelie around the roundabouts! __________________________________________________ My riding blog! Check it out if you are bored!aninjaridingpandabear.blogspot.com RIP Alex 8.10.12

December 3rd, 2012, 03:53 PM	#19
csmith12 The Corner Whisperer Name: Chris (aka Reactor) Location: Northern KY Join Date: May 2011 Motorcycle(s): 2010 250 (track), 1992 250, 2006 R6 (street/track), 2008 R6 (track) Posts: Too much. MOTY 2015, MOTM - Nov '12, Nov '13	Glad you're not really hurt JP. __________________________________________________ Goal: Shake A Million Hands \| Look through the corners \| Track Day Prep \| Closest track? \| The Mid-Ohio School

December 3rd, 2012, 04:16 PM	#20
alex.s wat Name: wat Location: tustin/long beach Join Date: Sep 2009 Motorcycle(s): wat Posts: Too much. Blog Entries: 5 MOTM - Oct '12, Feb '14	first and foremost, congratulations on a fantastic maneuver. also congrats on no injuries. i dont understand from the video though... did your rear slide out first or did your front slide first? __________________________________________________

December 3rd, 2012, 04:21 PM	#21
EternalNewb ninjette.org certified postwhore Name: S Location: CA/MA, usually Join Date: Nov 2012 Motorcycle(s): 2012 Ninja 250R, 2007 Ninja 650R, 2001 F650 Dakar Posts: A lot.	Man, that sucks. Glad you're ok though. I keep seeing people mention the paint strips and loss of traction lately. Scary.

December 3rd, 2012, 04:23 PM	#22
Samer ninjette.org guru Name: Samer Location: Jupiter, Florida Join Date: Sep 2009 Motorcycle(s): 09 Ninja 250R SE Posts: 376	Sorry about your low side. May I suggest that an early apex contributed to the accident? The line you took forced a tight radius towards the late part of the turn which is where the paint was. If you late apex in the future you will be more upright over the paint.
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December 3rd, 2012, 04:39 PM	#24
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December 3rd, 2012, 06:25 PM	#26
Jiggles Jigglin' your Jiglets Name: Sean Location: San Jose, Ca Join Date: Jun 2011 Motorcycle(s): 2009 K1300S, 2013 Ninja 300, 2011 Ninja 250R, Faster than Unregistered's ninjette Posts: Too much. Blog Entries: 1 MOTM - Apr '13	Your DIY on how to crash a 2fiddy is not very good. I tried this and was unable to crash, what am I doing wrong? __________________________________________________ If the Ninja 250 doesn't have enough power for you, then you don't know how to ride it. AFM #676 Supersports are for n00bs

December 3rd, 2012, 09:42 PM	#30
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December 9th, 2012, 04:57 PM	#31
NewbieNinja ninjette.org member Name: Yue Pheng Location: San Diego, CA Join Date: Oct 2012 Motorcycle(s): 2008 Kawasaki Ninja 250r, 2009 Suzuki GSX-R750 Posts: 85	This is insane.. I would have done the same exact thing.. it looked like a ghost just pushed you from the right..

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