5 times across the country by m/c - 10.4 days

[Alex]

Earlier this morning, someone has just started an attempt at a 250CCCCCC. His facebook page for the event is up at:

https://www.facebook.com/events/478959682306103/

An Iron Butt Association 250 CCCCCC Insanity certificate ride. Thats, 12,000 Miles in 10 Days riding between the Pacific Ocean and the Atlantic Ocean going Coast to Coast to Coast to Coast to Coast to Coast in less than 250 hours! And, scouping-up a bit of water & sand each time.

Nobody has done this motorcycle ride, so... why not?!
This will be my 'ride-in' to the IBA Pizza Party in JAX.

My live SPOT tracking link is: https://spotwalla.com/embed.php?id=fd4d56c522833e67a

Rules for this ride (based on 100 CCC): http://www.ironbutt.com/ridecerts/ge...nt.cfm?DocID=5

He's going between San Diego and Jacksonville 5 times!

[csmith12]

whoa! good luck... he is going to need it.

[CC Cowboy]

Piece of cake (at the end, I hope)!

[AwDang]

Is he doing the ride on a Ninjette?

[Alex]

Nope, he's on a Wing.

[choneofakind]

lol, why would you even attempt that kind of distance on a ninjette??????

and how does one do tire changes with that kind of distance? Get fresh wheels and tires and use a friend's house ahead of time as a drop zone to stop and swap? or carry wheel/tire combo's in a trailer that you carry with you the whole way????

are trailers legal for the IBA competitions?

[VaFish]

Originally Posted by choneofakind

lol, why would you even attempt that kind of distance on a ninjette??????

and how does one do tire changes with that kind of distance? Get fresh wheels and tires and use a friend's house ahead of time as a drop zone to stop and swap? or carry wheel/tire combo's in a trailer that you carry with you the whole way????

are trailers legal for the IBA competitions?

He might be running automotive tires. Some of the IBA folks do that at least on the rear tire.

A quick google search and a lot of Wing riders are claiming 20,000 miles or so depending upon which tire they are using. And they are complaining about the crappy tires only giving them 13,000-15,000 miles. So as long as he doesn't hit something that ruins a tire he shouldn't wear them out on that ride.

[choneofakind]

Hmmm automotive sounds sketchy to me.

[VaFish]

Originally Posted by choneofakind

Hmmm automotive sounds sketchy to me.

Not arguing with you, but the guys that do it swear by it and claim 30,000-40,000 miles on a rear tire. Of course they follow up with a huge disclaimer saying if you decide to put a car tire on your bike you do it at your own risk.

http://darkside.nwff.info/?p=safety

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F5YnEuGHXPo

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PZ_d5IIdRZI

[choneofakind]

Originally Posted by VaFish

Not arguing with you, but the guys that do it swear by it. Of course they follow up with a huge disclaimer saying if you decide to put a car tire on your bike you do it at your own risk.

http://darkside.nwff.info/?p=safety

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F5YnEuGHXPo

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PZ_d5IIdRZI

Wild!!! I looked into it a bit too! I guess it works, but I'd be a nervous nelly trying something like that!

Thanks for making me aware of that. Provided some good reading this morning. I'll have to check these links out also.

[subxero]

Originally Posted by choneofakind

lol, why would you even attempt that kind of distance on a ninjette??????

and how does one do tire changes with that kind of distance? Get fresh wheels and tires and use a friend's house ahead of time as a drop zone to stop and swap? or carry wheel/tire combo's in a trailer that you carry with you the whole way????

are trailers legal for the IBA competitions?

Being on a time limit to complete the task, not sure why anyone would want to fuss with changing their own tires unless completely necessary. You could probably plan out your tire changes and make sure a shop has them in stock for you. Pay a little cash for some shop to use a machine to put your tire on in a few minutes, or wrestle them on with tire irons and risk a pinched tube, busted knuckles or something else. I know what I would be doing

["A"]

I've put about 16k miles with a car tire mounted on the rear wheel of my Burgman 650.

At the time I had two Burgman 650s in my garage, one with car tire and the other with mot-specific tire mounted on each rear wheel.

The one with car tire mounted I used mostly when riding two-up with my wife and/or carrying heavier items in the underseat compartment that can hold two full-face helmets.

Handling wise, there was not much difference in how far you can push the pace or going through corners.. the only difference was the transition between upright and leaned position.. the car tire is much more abrupt when transitioning, but I personally got over that within few minutes of riding on a parking lot.

Price wise, the car tire cost $60-80 per tire, after 16k miles of usage, mostly 2-up, the car tire still had plenty of tread, I sold the Burgman before the tire got worn out.

Moto-specific tire cost $90-150 per tire, last about 6-9k miles when center tread start to begin to wear out.

[Alex]

Originally Posted by choneofakind

lol, why would you even attempt that kind of distance on a ninjette??????

and how does one do tire changes with that kind of distance? Get fresh wheels and tires and use a friend's house ahead of time as a drop zone to stop and swap? or carry wheel/tire combo's in a trailer that you carry with you the whole way????

are trailers legal for the IBA competitions?

He's running a car tire on the rear:

https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?f...type=3&theater

I'm not sure if trailers are legal, but I'd bet they aren't illegal. The problem is that they may affect fuel mileage and comfortable high speed running, likely making any advantage of carrying a tire along not really worth it.

[NevadaWolf]

I dunno, fit the trailer with a fuel tank. Time saved by fewer gas stops means more time to muck with a tire if needed. j/k

It's fun watching him posting up his receipts and pictures. Must be nice to have the time at a gas stop to post a status update! The joy of a larger tank I suppose.

[Alex]

Does this ride still require a receipt no more than 300 miles apart? Some of them used to, making it not particularly advantageous to carrying huge amounts of fuel anyway.

[VaFish]

Originally Posted by Alex

Does this ride still require a receipt no more than 300 miles apart? Some of them used to, making it not particularly advantageous to carrying huge amounts of fuel anyway.

I believe they do. The rules are on the IBA web site.

I just checked them, for the saddle sore and bun burner they say:

WARNING: If your motorcycle is equipped with a large fuel-tank, please note that you must stop at least once every 300 miles for gas (this is purely for documentation for your ride). Although we know it is possible to ride greater distances non-stop, we will not accept a claim of this type.

I don't see any such warning for the 100CCC ride.

[NevadaWolf]

Looks a might different on the 50CC page

WARNING: If your motorcycle is equipped with a large fuel-tank, please note that you must stop at least once every 350 miles for gas (this is purely for documentation for your ride as well as a forced rest stop). Although we know it is possible to ride greater distances non-stop, we will not accept a claim of this type.

http://www.ironbutt.com/ridecerts/ge...nt.cfm?DocID=4

[NevadaWolf]

Based on John's summary, Steve's hitting within a few miles of 300 each fill up. So not sure if the 300 or 350 is correct, but he's sticking with the 300 miles on Day 1.

[spooph]

Insane! I'm glad people like this exist.

[tfkrocks]

I feel exhausted just thinking about that. Props to him.

[NevadaWolf]

He did it! He did it! He did it!!

[Alex]

[NevadaWolf]

Love this graphic that Micki Denton shared on the FB page.

[csmith12]

Dang... that is some riding.

[Alex]

[Motofool]

Originally Posted by NevadaWolf

Love this graphic that Micki Denton shared on the FB page.

12360 miles / 237 hours = 52.16 mph

Assuming 9 x 8h (sleeping+resting+refueling time) = 237 - 72 = 165 hours rolling

12360 miles / 165 hours = 75 mph

Fuel consumption = 31.53 miles per gallon

2472 miles per leg (coast to coast)

["A"]

Chasing are a record on public roads seems irresponsible for others using the public roads.. I would like to see the record broken using the same vehicle/gear as previous record holder, that would make a leveled playing field, since vehicles are getting faster every year, better GPS, etc..

[Alex]

I'd venture that the 8 hrs / day Hernan assumed for resting + fueling is a bit high. I'd bet it's closer to 4-5 hrs sleep, + 1 hour max for the 4 fuel stops. That would take the average speed while rolling down a bit. That said, averaging 75+ mph on the road is a piece of cake in the western states (80 mph speed limit for parts of Texas, for example), while that speed might seem much more above the norm in some eastern states.

While motorcycles are getting faster, and GPS units are getting better, neither of those factors have much to do with successful long distance riding, especially challenges like this one. Two factors that are much higher up on the priority list are comfort on the bike and bike reliability.

[NevadaWolf]

Also, in this case, Steve didn't break a record, he made one. He is the first to accomplish the IBA coast to coast ride five times in a row.

[Motofool]

What is the meaning of 250CCCCCC?

[NevadaWolf]

250 hours to ride Coast to Coast to Coast to Coast to Coast to Coast.

I did the 50CC (50 hours to go Coast to Coast)
If you turn around and go home it's 100CCC (100 hours)
Second time to the other side is a 150CCCC
Return to the start a second time it's a 200CCCCC
Now there's a 250CCCCCC

The thing I like about IBA rides is there is no bonus for doing it fastest. As long as you finish under the maximum you complete the ride, so someone doing it in 249 hours, 58 minutes is the same as Steve doing it in 237 hours. It doesn't matter, you get the same certificate. Which means even me, on my dinky 250, have the opportunity to do this ride. (Course, I know my physical and mental endurance is not up to the task so I won't but if I wanted to, I could.)

[Abu_Mishary]

Never knew the certain time completion of an Iron Butt ride would be so significant!

I thought it's just get on your bike, ride it whichever position of riding you desire as long as you reached the destination.

[Motofool]

Originally Posted by NevadaWolf

250 hours to ride Coast to Coast to Coast to Coast to Coast to Coast........
The thing I like about IBA rides is there is no bonus for doing it fastest........It doesn't matter, you get the same certificate.

Thank you, Teri; it is very clear now.

Last question:
Besides distance, is there any type of certificate for time of continuous riding (except for refueling, meals, bathroom, etc.) with no sleep or long periods of resting?

In other words, is there a class for time (rather than achieved distance) of non-stop riding?
If so, what high performance times have been recorded?

[NevadaWolf]

Originally Posted by Abu_Mishary

I thought it's just get on your bike, ride it whichever position of riding you desire as long as you reached the destination.

For IBA specific rides that you want to get a certificate for, the ride needs to be done within a certain time limit. If you are efficient and manage your time effectively, the limit is generous and leaves you plenty to take care of yourself.

Originally Posted by Motofool

Last question:
Besides distance, is there any type of certificate for time of continuous riding (except for refueling, meals, bathroom, etc.) with no sleep or long periods of resting?

In other words, is there a class for time (rather than achieved distance) of non-stop riding?
If so, what high performance times have been recorded?

To my knowledge, no. The only certificates I am aware of are distance based (1000 miles < 24 hours, 1500 miles < 36 hours, 10,000 miles < 10 days to name a few). The list is here http://www.saddlesore.com/102.htm and here http://www.ironbutt.com/ridecerts/ If you click into the Ride Finishers link, you'll see the massive list of rides and riders.


Speaking only as myself and my opinion, the IBA is all about safe long distance riding. Having a certificate that would encourage riding fatigued or relying on stimulants to finish is not what this is about. Many of the documents available through the IBA (the Archive of Wisdom for example) put resting/sleeping when needed right out there. Many multi-day rallies have a required rest bonus that makes a rider stop for sleep. From what I've seen, the whole culture is about riding safely within one's own limits. I can't see a time based certificate fitting into that. Again, this is my opinion and what I've seen since stumbling into this fun challenge.

[Alex]

Not certified by the IBA. Here's a list of all of the certified ride rules:

http://www.ironbutt.com/ridecerts/

There are many variations of those rides. For example, people might modify a Saddlesore (1000 miles in 24 hrs) to be an in-state Saddlesore, where all miles happen in a single state. But none of the certs make a claim of "this was the fastest guy to ever do this ride". They are all set out with a particular goal, and the bar to meet that goal, and you get the cert if you meet it, that's it.

The only exception I can think of where the time itself is shared more broadly is the Ultimate Coast to Coast. The rules for it are on that same page, and it's basically going from Key West, FL to Deadhorse, AK, within 30 days. But people do tend to keep track of their time for it. Gary Eagan held the "record" for many years, was beaten by John Ryan, and now it appears that Will Barclay (riding a HD of all things!) holds the record at 80 hrs, 2 minutes. As stated above, anyone who does the ride within the time constraints gets the same cert, but that ride is a bit of a special one, both challenging (hundreds of miles of dirt roads), yet easy to describe (go from here to here).

Outside of the IBA, there are meetups from time to time where more extreme rides may be attempted. They aren't certified, they aren't talked about, but some people may or may not have become known for completing 2200+ mile days (the math is frightening).

[Motofool]

Thank you both, Teri and Alex.