Made some changes, now won't start.

ricomtzjr · January 21st, 2013, 08:49 PM

Had a coolant leak; tightened the clamp. Leak gone. Since I had the tank off, I decided to go from two washers to one washer. Synced the carbs and ran fine.

Started it up later that day for a ride. It started up right away, slowly moved the choke off and it would die. Set the choke on and started again. The same happened. Eventually it would idle low (2000 rpm) at full choke. Now will not start at all. At first I thought I wasn't getting fuel to the carbs, but lines were routed correctly and nothing trapped in the fuel filter.

Went back to 2 washers just in case that was the problem; still won't start. I already checked the seals on the diaphragms over and over. Can't figure out why it's not starting!!!

cuong-nutz · January 21st, 2013, 08:54 PM

All the gas lines and vent lines hooked up properly on the tank? No lines kinked? Petcock valve for gas is on on position?

csmith12 · January 21st, 2013, 08:55 PM

Basics yo.

Carb bowls filling? If not recheck your hoes to the petcock from the tank, since you had it off. How is the airbox? Battery good and charged?

ricomtzjr · January 21st, 2013, 09:04 PM

I hooked everything up as usual. T started up fine, I even checked the sync. Reved it up a few times and it did well. Let it sit for a while. Started up fine, then slowly let off the choke and it just shut off. Like I said, after a while, I would only have a low idle at full choke, now it won't start. Haven't drained the carbs to check if it has any fuel. Petcock seems to be working just fine. Battery on the trickle overnight, if that's the use.

rojoracing53 · January 21st, 2013, 09:09 PM

Sounds like you messed up the flow of fuel that's why it ran for awhile and now it empty and won't run. The bike with run on the fuel that's left in the carbs without a tank for like 4-5 mins.

ricomtzjr · January 21st, 2013, 09:11 PM

So how do I get the fuel back in there, hook up tha tank and prime?

csmith12 · January 21st, 2013, 09:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by csmith12

Basics yo.

If not recheck your hoes to the petcock

omfg... hahahahahah check dem hoes yo!

Common man, turn that little screw to see if you gots any fuel in dem carb bowls.

ricomtzjr · January 21st, 2013, 09:17 PM

I'll check in the morning. That's what I was suspecting since it ran good then started dying. My concern is when I started brining the choke down, it would just die.

ricomtzjr · January 21st, 2013, 10:01 PM

Fuel in bowls...now what? Flooded engine?

ricomtzjr · January 21st, 2013, 10:04 PM

Hoses to the Petcock only fit a certain way. Is there supposed to be a hose connected to the "vent tube" where the fuel gauge wire is at? Or does it just stay like that?

ricomtzjr · January 22nd, 2013, 01:11 AM

Summary so far:

Decided to remove one shim from needles, check

Put together and checked carb sync, check

Put it completely together and went about my day, check

Came back several hours later for a quick ride; started up fine with a little choke.

Let off some choke and it dies.

Problem persisted; then got worse, would hardly idle at full choke.

Cranks, but no start. Fuel in carb bowls, checked that too.

Battery on trickle overnight; coming back to it in the morning before work.

Flooded engine? We'll see...

rojoracing53 · January 22nd, 2013, 05:01 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ricomtzjr

Hoses to the Petcock only fit a certain way. Is there supposed to be a hose connected to the "vent tube" where the fuel gauge wire is at? Or does it just stay like that?

this

me, I can't seem to picture what your talking about

ricomtzjr · January 22nd, 2013, 07:58 AM

A puck-like object towards the rear of the tank, near the seat...

Seems like a Jose would go to it, but I have never seen one there.

csmith12 · January 22nd, 2013, 08:05 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ricomtzjr

A puck-like object towards the rear of the tank, near the seat...

Seems like a Jose would go to it, but I have never seen one there.

Yep, a vacuum hose gets connected. The petcock is vacuum driven vs. gravity feed. So it sounds like it runs all fuel out of the bowls and dies. You have that Jose? ummm I mean hose.

csmith12 · January 22nd, 2013, 08:08 AM

Try setting yours to PRI (PRIME).

rojoracing53 · January 22nd, 2013, 09:05 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by csmith12

Yep, a vacuum hose gets connected. The petcock is vacuum driven vs. gravity feed. So it sounds like it runs all fuel out of the bowls and dies. You have that Jose? ummm I mean hose.

He said he has both of those connected right when he stated the two petcock hose only go on one way. Then he refers to something on the other side of the tank

I don't want to tear off my tank to look under it so if the OP could snap a quick pic of this hose by the fuel sensor wire then that'll help.

rojoracing53 · January 22nd, 2013, 09:07 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ricomtzjr

Summary so far:

Decided to remove one shim from needles, check

Put together and checked carb sync, check

Put it completely together and went about my day, check

Came back several hours later for a quick ride; started up fine with a little choke.

Let off some choke and it dies.

Problem persisted; then got worse, would hardly idle at full choke.

Cranks, but no start. Fuel in carb bowls, checked that too.

Battery on trickle overnight; coming back to it in the morning before work.

Flooded engine? We'll see...

Just to be clear it won't start at all right now? It just cranks?

It would coincidence since you didn't mention messing with the any electrical but do you still have spark?

DaBlue1 · January 22nd, 2013, 10:04 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ricomtzjr

.... Is there supposed to be a hose connected to the "vent tube" where the fuel gauge wire is at? Or does it just stay like that?

No hose gets connected. The carb vent hose just lays over the airbox.
Did you adjust your idle speed at all?

ricomtzjr · January 22nd, 2013, 10:07 AM

Didn't touch the idle speed at all. Made changes, started up to check sync, then later that day it started acting up. Still wont start this morning. Fuel in bowls, just drained one of them. Gonna start from scratch. So there a specific tool for the spark plugs?

ricomtzjr · January 22nd, 2013, 10:13 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by csmith12

That is setup correctly on mine.

Try setting yours to PRI (PRIME).

I will try the prime. Emptying my carb bowls and starting again.

Quote:

Originally Posted by rojoracing53

He said he has both of those connected right when he stated the two petcock hose only go on one way. Then he refers to something on the other side of the tank

I don't want to tear off my tank to look under it so if the OP could snap a quick pic of this hose by the fuel sensor wire then that'll help.

I'll get a pic on here in a few.

Quote:

Originally Posted by rojoracing53

Just to be clear it won't start at all right now? It just cranks?

It would coincidence since you didn't mention messing with the any electrical but do you still have spark?

Just checked the spark, it's good. Charging the battery now.

I am also cleaning the air filter and letting it dry to re oil and put back in once everything else is done.

I should have just left it alone....

rojoracing53 · January 22nd, 2013, 10:21 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ricomtzjr

I will try the prime. Emptying my carb bowls and starting again.

I'll get a pic on here in a few.

Just checked the spark, it's good. Charging the battery now.

I am also cleaning the air filter and letting it dry to re oil and put back in once everything else is done.

I should have just left it alone....

"Fix till its broken" that's my motto

Don't lose hope just think of all the stuff your learning because if this problem

ricomtzjr · January 22nd, 2013, 10:43 AM

Ok, so I have spark, fuel in the bowls, air filter drying from cleaning, and battery charging. Hopefully we can get this thing started today. Gonna quadruple check the top part of the carbs to make sure nothing got in there while I was shimming.

I still think that somehow fuel still wasn't getting to the cylinders because of the start up and run followed by the heaitation and no start issue. It acted like it was running out of gas, but the bowls had fuel.

ricomtzjr · January 22nd, 2013, 10:49 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by rojoracing53

He said he has both of those connected right when he stated the two petcock hose only go on one way. Then he refers to something on the other side of the tank

I don't want to tear off my tank to look under it so if the OP could snap a quick pic of this hose by the fuel sensor wire then that'll help.

Here's the puck looking deal with the fuel gauge connector with it. It seems to have a vent of some sort.

rojoracing53 · January 22nd, 2013, 10:58 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ricomtzjr

Here's the puck looking deal with the fuel gauge connector with it. It seems to have a vent of some sort.

Just checked mine and there's no hose connected, it looks just like yours in the pic.

ricomtzjr · January 22nd, 2013, 11:39 AM

Ok, sweet. Filter oiled and drying a bit, redoing the carbs, 4th time, filling up the tank completely. Well see how it goes.

ricomtzjr · January 22nd, 2013, 11:40 AM

How long do I prime? Empty carbs.

Jiggles · January 22nd, 2013, 11:47 AM

Bump start it with the choke on

cuong-nutz · January 22nd, 2013, 11:47 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by rojoracing53

Just checked mine and there's no hose connected, it looks just like yours in the pic.

I think mine has a hose. lol. I'll check when I get home

rojoracing53 · January 22nd, 2013, 11:55 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by cuong-nutz

I think mine has a hose. lol. I'll check when I get home

Now your going to worry the poor guy

, mine may not be right but it does run and just fine I might add. The nipple is facing strait at you, above my finger and a little left.

ricomtzjr · January 22nd, 2013, 12:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by rojoracing53

Now your going to worry the poor guy

, mine may not be right but it does run and just fine I might add. The nipple is facing strait at you, above my finger and a little left.

That's what I got. With bowls empty, how long do I prime?

rojoracing53 · January 22nd, 2013, 12:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ricomtzjr

That's what I got. With bowls empty, how long do I prime?

I don't know how long.
I've run my carbs dry half a dozen times and have never needed to prime it to get it going.

I would a assume till the bike starts.

DaBlue1 · January 22nd, 2013, 12:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ricomtzjr

That's what I got. With bowls empty, how long do I prime?

Once the petcock is on prime it tanks less than 30 seconds. I crack the gas cap, start the bike while it's priming, then switch to the ON position.

csmith12 · January 22nd, 2013, 12:12 PM

That puck thing is the fuel gauge with float. And according to the parts diagram, there should be no hose on it. (part 52005)

ricomtzjr · January 22nd, 2013, 12:19 PM

Thanks.

ricomtzjr · January 22nd, 2013, 12:27 PM

This is what I got. From farthest left, the long ass drain tube. On top of the carbs I have the two different sized petcock hoses. The large recirculating hose, and next to it, the fuel gauge connector. Am I missing anything?

Jiggles · January 22nd, 2013, 01:19 PM

Nope, now bump start it!

ricomtzjr · January 22nd, 2013, 02:02 PM

It started right away with priming...adjusted idle, now seems fine. Got on it and now it wants to die when I roll on throttle...don't get it.

ricomtzjr · January 22nd, 2013, 02:02 PM

http://i1268.photobucket.com/albums/...F8FEBA3B9C.mp4

cuong-nutz · January 22nd, 2013, 02:04 PM

I thought the large hose that is in my right hand in the picture goes to that nipple on the fuel gauge sender.

ricomtzjr · January 22nd, 2013, 02:06 PM

Link fixed

January 21st, 2013, 08:49 PM	#1
ricomtzjr Razor's Edge Name: Richard Location: El Paso, San Antonio, Ennis...Texas Join Date: Nov 2012 Motorcycle(s): 2007 Sportster XL1200C Posts: 196	Made some changes, now won't start. Had a coolant leak; tightened the clamp. Leak gone. Since I had the tank off, I decided to go from two washers to one washer. Synced the carbs and ran fine. Started it up later that day for a ride. It started up right away, slowly moved the choke off and it would die. Set the choke on and started again. The same happened. Eventually it would idle low (2000 rpm) at full choke. Now will not start at all. At first I thought I wasn't getting fuel to the carbs, but lines were routed correctly and nothing trapped in the fuel filter. Went back to 2 washers just in case that was the problem; still won't start. I already checked the seals on the diaphragms over and over. Can't figure out why it's not starting!!! __________________________________________________

January 21st, 2013, 08:54 PM	#2
cuong-nutz RIP Alex Name: Cuong Location: Houston, TX Join Date: Apr 2011 Motorcycle(s): '10 250r, '09 265r Posts: A lot. Blog Entries: 2	All the gas lines and vent lines hooked up properly on the tank? No lines kinked? Petcock valve for gas is on on position? __________________________________________________ HalfFast Racing Team Serving Greater Houston Area Riders:WFO Riders MotoHouston HPC CMRA Ride Smart Fastline Lone Star Track Days

January 21st, 2013, 08:55 PM	#3
csmith12 The Corner Whisperer Name: Chris (aka Reactor) Location: Northern KY Join Date: May 2011 Motorcycle(s): 2010 250 (track), 1992 250, 2006 R6 (street/track), 2008 R6 (track) Posts: Too much. MOTY 2015, MOTM - Nov '12, Nov '13	Basics yo. Carb bowls filling? If not recheck your hoes to the petcock from the tank, since you had it off. How is the airbox? Battery good and charged? __________________________________________________ Goal: Shake A Million Hands \| Look through the corners \| Track Day Prep \| Closest track? \| The Mid-Ohio School

January 21st, 2013, 09:04 PM	#4
ricomtzjr Razor's Edge Name: Richard Location: El Paso, San Antonio, Ennis...Texas Join Date: Nov 2012 Motorcycle(s): 2007 Sportster XL1200C Posts: 196	I hooked everything up as usual. T started up fine, I even checked the sync. Reved it up a few times and it did well. Let it sit for a while. Started up fine, then slowly let off the choke and it just shut off. Like I said, after a while, I would only have a low idle at full choke, now it won't start. Haven't drained the carbs to check if it has any fuel. Petcock seems to be working just fine. Battery on the trickle overnight, if that's the use. __________________________________________________

January 21st, 2013, 09:11 PM	#6
ricomtzjr Razor's Edge Name: Richard Location: El Paso, San Antonio, Ennis...Texas Join Date: Nov 2012 Motorcycle(s): 2007 Sportster XL1200C Posts: 196	So how do I get the fuel back in there, hook up tha tank and prime? __________________________________________________

January 21st, 2013, 09:09 PM	#5
rojoracing53 Fast-Guy wannabe Name: Jason Location: Brentwood, Ca Join Date: Oct 2011 Motorcycle(s): 2009 Ninja250, 2011 RM-Z250, 2004 NSR50, Posts: A lot. MOTM - Jan '13	Sounds like you messed up the flow of fuel that's why it ran for awhile and now it empty and won't run. The bike with run on the fuel that's left in the carbs without a tank for like 4-5 mins.

January 21st, 2013, 09:17 PM	#8
ricomtzjr Razor's Edge Name: Richard Location: El Paso, San Antonio, Ennis...Texas Join Date: Nov 2012 Motorcycle(s): 2007 Sportster XL1200C Posts: 196	I'll check in the morning. That's what I was suspecting since it ran good then started dying. My concern is when I started brining the choke down, it would just die. __________________________________________________

January 21st, 2013, 10:01 PM	#9
ricomtzjr Razor's Edge Name: Richard Location: El Paso, San Antonio, Ennis...Texas Join Date: Nov 2012 Motorcycle(s): 2007 Sportster XL1200C Posts: 196	Fuel in bowls...now what? Flooded engine? __________________________________________________

January 21st, 2013, 10:04 PM	#10
ricomtzjr Razor's Edge Name: Richard Location: El Paso, San Antonio, Ennis...Texas Join Date: Nov 2012 Motorcycle(s): 2007 Sportster XL1200C Posts: 196	Hoses to the Petcock only fit a certain way. Is there supposed to be a hose connected to the "vent tube" where the fuel gauge wire is at? Or does it just stay like that? __________________________________________________

January 22nd, 2013, 01:11 AM	#11
ricomtzjr Razor's Edge Name: Richard Location: El Paso, San Antonio, Ennis...Texas Join Date: Nov 2012 Motorcycle(s): 2007 Sportster XL1200C Posts: 196	Summary so far: Decided to remove one shim from needles, check Put together and checked carb sync, check Put it completely together and went about my day, check Came back several hours later for a quick ride; started up fine with a little choke. Let off some choke and it dies. Problem persisted; then got worse, would hardly idle at full choke. Cranks, but no start. Fuel in carb bowls, checked that too. Battery on trickle overnight; coming back to it in the morning before work. Flooded engine? We'll see... __________________________________________________

January 22nd, 2013, 07:58 AM	#13
ricomtzjr Razor's Edge Name: Richard Location: El Paso, San Antonio, Ennis...Texas Join Date: Nov 2012 Motorcycle(s): 2007 Sportster XL1200C Posts: 196	A puck-like object towards the rear of the tank, near the seat... Seems like a Jose would go to it, but I have never seen one there. __________________________________________________

January 22nd, 2013, 08:08 AM	#15
csmith12 The Corner Whisperer Name: Chris (aka Reactor) Location: Northern KY Join Date: May 2011 Motorcycle(s): 2010 250 (track), 1992 250, 2006 R6 (street/track), 2008 R6 (track) Posts: Too much. MOTY 2015, MOTM - Nov '12, Nov '13	Try setting yours to PRI (PRIME). __________________________________________________ Goal: Shake A Million Hands \| Look through the corners \| Track Day Prep \| Closest track? \| The Mid-Ohio School

January 22nd, 2013, 10:07 AM	#19
ricomtzjr Razor's Edge Name: Richard Location: El Paso, San Antonio, Ennis...Texas Join Date: Nov 2012 Motorcycle(s): 2007 Sportster XL1200C Posts: 196	Didn't touch the idle speed at all. Made changes, started up to check sync, then later that day it started acting up. Still wont start this morning. Fuel in bowls, just drained one of them. Gonna start from scratch. So there a specific tool for the spark plugs? __________________________________________________

January 22nd, 2013, 10:43 AM	#22
ricomtzjr Razor's Edge Name: Richard Location: El Paso, San Antonio, Ennis...Texas Join Date: Nov 2012 Motorcycle(s): 2007 Sportster XL1200C Posts: 196	Ok, so I have spark, fuel in the bowls, air filter drying from cleaning, and battery charging. Hopefully we can get this thing started today. Gonna quadruple check the top part of the carbs to make sure nothing got in there while I was shimming. I still think that somehow fuel still wasn't getting to the cylinders because of the start up and run followed by the heaitation and no start issue. It acted like it was running out of gas, but the bowls had fuel. __________________________________________________

January 22nd, 2013, 11:39 AM	#25
ricomtzjr Razor's Edge Name: Richard Location: El Paso, San Antonio, Ennis...Texas Join Date: Nov 2012 Motorcycle(s): 2007 Sportster XL1200C Posts: 196	Ok, sweet. Filter oiled and drying a bit, redoing the carbs, 4th time, filling up the tank completely. Well see how it goes. __________________________________________________

January 22nd, 2013, 11:40 AM	#26
ricomtzjr Razor's Edge Name: Richard Location: El Paso, San Antonio, Ennis...Texas Join Date: Nov 2012 Motorcycle(s): 2007 Sportster XL1200C Posts: 196	How long do I prime? Empty carbs. __________________________________________________

January 22nd, 2013, 11:47 AM	#27
Jiggles Jigglin' your Jiglets Name: Sean Location: San Jose, Ca Join Date: Jun 2011 Motorcycle(s): 2009 K1300S, 2013 Ninja 300, 2011 Ninja 250R, Faster than Unregistered's ninjette Posts: Too much. Blog Entries: 1 MOTM - Apr '13	Bump start it with the choke on __________________________________________________ If the Ninja 250 doesn't have enough power for you, then you don't know how to ride it. AFM #676 Supersports are for n00bs

January 22nd, 2013, 12:12 PM	#33
csmith12 The Corner Whisperer Name: Chris (aka Reactor) Location: Northern KY Join Date: May 2011 Motorcycle(s): 2010 250 (track), 1992 250, 2006 R6 (street/track), 2008 R6 (track) Posts: Too much. MOTY 2015, MOTM - Nov '12, Nov '13	That puck thing is the fuel gauge with float. And according to the parts diagram, there should be no hose on it. (part 52005) __________________________________________________ Goal: Shake A Million Hands \| Look through the corners \| Track Day Prep \| Closest track? \| The Mid-Ohio School

January 22nd, 2013, 12:19 PM	#34
ricomtzjr Razor's Edge Name: Richard Location: El Paso, San Antonio, Ennis...Texas Join Date: Nov 2012 Motorcycle(s): 2007 Sportster XL1200C Posts: 196	Thanks. __________________________________________________

January 22nd, 2013, 12:27 PM	#35
ricomtzjr Razor's Edge Name: Richard Location: El Paso, San Antonio, Ennis...Texas Join Date: Nov 2012 Motorcycle(s): 2007 Sportster XL1200C Posts: 196	This is what I got. From farthest left, the long ass drain tube. On top of the carbs I have the two different sized petcock hoses. The large recirculating hose, and next to it, the fuel gauge connector. Am I missing anything? __________________________________________________

January 22nd, 2013, 01:19 PM	#36
Jiggles Jigglin' your Jiglets Name: Sean Location: San Jose, Ca Join Date: Jun 2011 Motorcycle(s): 2009 K1300S, 2013 Ninja 300, 2011 Ninja 250R, Faster than Unregistered's ninjette Posts: Too much. Blog Entries: 1 MOTM - Apr '13	Nope, now bump start it! __________________________________________________ If the Ninja 250 doesn't have enough power for you, then you don't know how to ride it. AFM #676 Supersports are for n00bs

January 22nd, 2013, 02:02 PM	#37
ricomtzjr Razor's Edge Name: Richard Location: El Paso, San Antonio, Ennis...Texas Join Date: Nov 2012 Motorcycle(s): 2007 Sportster XL1200C Posts: 196	It started right away with priming...adjusted idle, now seems fine. Got on it and now it wants to die when I roll on throttle...don't get it. __________________________________________________

January 22nd, 2013, 02:04 PM	#39
cuong-nutz RIP Alex Name: Cuong Location: Houston, TX Join Date: Apr 2011 Motorcycle(s): '10 250r, '09 265r Posts: A lot. Blog Entries: 2	I thought the large hose that is in my right hand in the picture goes to that nipple on the fuel gauge sender. __________________________________________________ HalfFast Racing Team Serving Greater Houston Area Riders:WFO Riders MotoHouston HPC CMRA Ride Smart Fastline Lone Star Track Days

January 22nd, 2013, 02:06 PM	#40
ricomtzjr Razor's Edge Name: Richard Location: El Paso, San Antonio, Ennis...Texas Join Date: Nov 2012 Motorcycle(s): 2007 Sportster XL1200C Posts: 196	Link fixed __________________________________________________

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