July 30th, 2016, 11:52 AM | #1 |
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3 months...first crash.
So you guys it finally happened. Earlier today I had gotten my front Pads replaced and I had been riding around to bed them in. That's when it happened. I was riding along a road I had been on many times before when I approached a turn and for some reason I had what felt like ZERO braking performance upfront. Next thing I know I get massive fixation on the muddy grass im headed towards. No increase in lean angle, no rear brake just staring head on into the mud.
I hit the mud and fall off the bike. Whether I high/low sided I don't know. I've gotta say I've always wondered how people crash due to fixation, now I see. Target fixation is a killer...I am just glad I was wearing my full Suit and helmet. PS If you think falling into mud sounds comfy....lol trust me its not. (This all happened in the last hour, I'm on the side of the road waiting for geico. Will update as things proceed.)
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July 30th, 2016, 12:01 PM | #2 |
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July 30th, 2016, 12:24 PM | #3 |
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Sorry to read this, but glad to see that the damage to the bike is limited to a bent shifting lever.
That one can be bent back easily. After a good wash, she will be ready.
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July 30th, 2016, 02:16 PM | #4 |
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Sorry to hear about your crash. I'm glad to hear you had full gear on though.
Hopefully it's only bruises and scratches and nothing worse. Any idea what happened with the front brake before the crash?
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July 30th, 2016, 02:26 PM | #5 |
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Glad your ok, bike doesn't look to bad either.
I hope you heal fast and the repairs are cheap.
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July 30th, 2016, 02:38 PM | #6 |
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Sucks, glad you're OK. Bike looks in good shape, first thing I'd do is check your helmet and see if it hit the ground when you came off.
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July 30th, 2016, 03:28 PM | #7 |
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Damn that sucks. I hate seeing another red ninja like mine all roughed up. Gives me the chills.
Glad you're okay and you recognize the error. That way moving forward , it will help your riding habits. I also bent my shifter. I found this https://www.ebay.com/itm/152173719558 And I must say - So far I prefer it over the rubber - covered OEM one. My other bike still has the OEM one installed and I just seem to like the solid one over it. However I'm not doing 109 miles a day 7 days a week so it's really too early for me to say which is better.
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July 30th, 2016, 03:36 PM | #8 |
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Also, it's hard to tell how much of that is scuffs and how much are scratches. The tail fairing looks cracked and if the other plastics are all scratched up and need to be replaced/painted they might total the bike.
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July 30th, 2016, 05:41 PM | #9 |
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Thanks you guys, yeah the damage doesn't look that bad. Left indicator is missing and tail Fairing is cracked but beyond that it all looks to be in good shape. No injuries at least and feeling good all things considered.
Lol we'lll see how Bad the bruises look tomorrow
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July 30th, 2016, 05:45 PM | #10 |
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Bend them back? Lol more like excuse to buy Rearsets
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July 30th, 2016, 05:54 PM | #11 | |
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I was really confused especially considering I literally had just put new Pads on.
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July 30th, 2016, 06:05 PM | #12 |
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One thing this crash has made me realize is that perhaps Canyon/twisty Riding isn't for me. My goal is still to ultimately race but I think I'm going to leave all spirited riding to the track.
Brakes go out on a track and theres miles of runoff, brakes go out on the street again and next time it's a tree and not mud I'm hitting...
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July 30th, 2016, 07:11 PM | #13 |
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Sorry you crashed, but that doesn't have to mean the end of riding the twisties. Not doing it spiritedly, maybe, leave that to the track, but a person can ride the twisty, fun roads and not hit it hammer-down. And still enjoy the ride.
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July 30th, 2016, 07:13 PM | #14 | |
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As far as target fixation, I almost became a victim of that once. I have remind myself from time to time, "look where you wanna go". I practice that doing figure eights while thinking "look where you wanna go" in an empty parking lot. Every time I go out for a ride, I find an empty parking lot to do a few drills as part of my ride.
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July 30th, 2016, 07:21 PM | #15 | |
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did you pump the brake lever after installation? did you clean the caliper's pistons before installation? did you double and triple check that all bolts were tight and inspect the brake line for any leaks? (safety wiring helps with this) did you do a braking drill after installation? Basically in a parking lot to apply the brakes to bed them into the rotors so that you can have maximum braking potential
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July 30th, 2016, 07:21 PM | #16 | |
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Breakes should be carefully tested in safe conditions after any work other than replenishing breake fluid.
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July 30th, 2016, 08:10 PM | #17 |
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What gear did you have on?
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July 31st, 2016, 05:54 AM | #18 | |
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July 31st, 2016, 07:26 AM | #19 |
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Cleaning the piston regularly (once per season) allows for it to move more freely and helps prevent it from sticking. A sticking piston in a caliper can prevent it from applying brake pad pressure to the rotor, lock the brake pads on the rotor, or cause dragging issues which causes unnecessary wear on the motorcycle as a whole. All of the above can cause a crash
I have seen rubber brake lines crack and leak though the bike was a good 10 years old and stored outside. I meant more at each end of the line where the bolts could be loosened due to moving the caliper around to install the new pads
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July 31st, 2016, 08:10 AM | #20 |
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The pistons move out of the caliper slowly but steadly as the friction material of the pads slowly disappears.
Dirt, water, oils and mud create deposites of a hard black film over the surfaces of the pistons that have been out of the calipers. http://faq.ninja250.org/wiki/Brake_caliper_rebuild The increasing volume inside the calipers that is not occupied by the pistons as they relocate themself further out, is filled by fluid coming from the reservoir. Gradually, the level in the reservoir goes down and more fluid may be added up. New pads have full thickness and, in order to fit between the disc and the pistons, the pistons must be pushed all the way in. Excess fluid that was ealier added on must be removed from the reservoir at this point. If the surface of the pistons are not shining clean and smooth, the seals suffer and can be damaged or can allow some leak of fluid, which attracks more dirt.
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July 31st, 2016, 08:49 AM | #22 |
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Possibly? I had the work done at a shop earlier that day. I was just riding around to bed the pads in. I had rode perhaps 30 minutes after getting the pads put on when I crashed
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July 31st, 2016, 08:54 AM | #23 | |
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The brake Lever was definitely pumped prior but nothing else. I didn't do a braking drill in the parking lot but I would do some mild accelerations followed by braking as I cruised down the street.
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July 31st, 2016, 09:01 AM | #24 |
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Its a Cortech one-piece, it's the only thing I ever go riding in. Although after this I really see the need for some extra armour.
Suits perfectly fine, muddy, but fine.
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July 31st, 2016, 09:12 AM | #25 | |
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They are responsible for testing the proper operation for the customers. Yes, the repaired brake would not be performing at 100% out of the shop, but you should have never had to have a feel of "like zero performance". Sorry, I had assumed that you had replaced the pads yourself.
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July 31st, 2016, 11:21 AM | #26 |
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After I changed my brake pads, cleaned the piston and bled the brake fluid, I did notice a decrease in braking performance (even though I installed higher performance pads). Once I finished bedding in the new pads, the performance became greater than my old pads.
But while I was breaking in the new pads, at NO TIME did I feel that I had less than 75% of the original pad's power. I sense the shop did something wrong while installing your pads. Maybe they accidentally got grease on the pad or rotor when they were applying grease onto the back of the pads and the pistons? But what's confusing is that you had no problems during the first 30 minutes of riding. Could it have been that they haven't tighten the nipple fully and you were leaking/dripping brake fluid from the nipple and eventually ran low enough that air got sucked into the lines causing you to lose all brake pressure?
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How much fluid is still in the brake master cylinder? if it is low then there may be a leak otherwise you may have hit a air bubble in the line at a very inopportune time.
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What did the shop actually do though? Did they even touch the lines/fluid or just pull the caliper off and swap pads? If they claim they didn't touch the lines to fill/bleed them and just swapped the pads, you're probably SOL on them paying for anything. They'll just blame you for there being a bubble in it or it leaking. |
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I was thinking the same thing too Sirref.
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Bummer man, you gave the bike's condition... but how are you? imho... the first crash is the one you remember the most vividly. Wish you well going forward!
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August 1st, 2016, 03:27 PM | #33 | |
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Next time though
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It's kind of funny, I just want to get some braided lines, make sure they're bled properly this time (lol)....and get back out. I don't have any real dread towards riding. Even the crash wasn't so bad, the initial impact was like getting sacked out of no where but rolling was just like being on one of those really painful wooden roller coasters Lmao may have almost cried for about 2 seconds right after the crash though...
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I'm glad it didn't scare you away from riding, and that you're not badly hurt.
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August 2nd, 2016, 04:54 PM | #36 |
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So I just heard back from the shop today about my bike and I've got good news and bad. The bad is that they quoted me at $2,300 to fix the bike....the good news, all the stuff they would have to fix is purely cosmetic and theres nothing structurally wrong. Probably will just fix the brakes, zip tie any cracked Fairings and will be back out there!
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Glad there's nothing structurally wrong! Cosmetics can be dealt with. Can you use some kind of cement or glue to put the fairings back together? Something like that was done on the cracks in my fairing by a previous owner.
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August 2nd, 2016, 08:32 PM | #38 |
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Almost the same cost to repair mine. Mine is US$4190.
Fork out your own money or insurance claim?
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That is not what it will cost to fix.
I went from a naked crashed bike to fully OEM faired for $300 and some time
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^^ this. I am about to do the same thing to my bike over the winter (crashed Friday). It is surprisingly cheap to repair these bikes despite what insurance companies say but really only if you can do the work yourself..
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