September 11th, 2019, 11:49 PM | #1 |
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ZX-25R
Watch out for the new ZX-25R 60bhp and four cylinders
should be good fun. Steve
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September 12th, 2019, 01:09 AM | #2 |
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Ooh, ahh!! Has it been spotted in the wild???
I’m going to put off getting 400... https://www.visordown.com/news/new-b...power-variants https://indianautosblog.com/new-deta...emerge-p318368 https://www.moneycontrol.com/news/te...r-4419511.html |
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September 17th, 2019, 12:01 PM | #3 | |
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That's pretty crazy HP that motor has to be screaming. I wonder if that is the new Supercharged bike Kawasaki is hinting at recently. There was another article down in the news section about there being 2 versions of the ZX25R with one of them being lower priced and about 40 HP. Maybe a supercharged version and normally aspirated version coming out? |
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September 18th, 2019, 05:38 AM | #4 |
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If they build it, I'll buy one.
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September 18th, 2019, 12:35 PM | #5 |
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I'll belive it when i see it. for the US market, a high revving engine is VERY hard to meet emission standards...
the way the engines are making more power these days, personally i am looking forwards to the future two cylinders, the difference in performance on my 250 vs 400 is night and day, more powerful, more responsive to throttle input than my 250 ever was. i know its larger displacement, and that has a lot to do with the difference. but its still a higher performing engine. modern engines are powerhouses. the only reason ford went from the same ole 4.6 v8 in their GT mustangs to the 5.0 was chevy's v6 base model camaro was almost catching the GT in a 1/4 mile. you cant have your flagship ponycar even ALMOST getting caught from the competitions v6. today's v6 makes more power than 95% of the engines in the "horsepower days" of the mid 60's through early 70's, with half the displacement. now you have camaro's and mustangs making almost as much or more as the corvette, which is why i think they are making such a radical change to mid-engine. got to do something to keep the iconic sportscar above the rest of the pack. |
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October 16th, 2019, 08:27 PM | #6 |
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Looks Great but may cost a fortune eh!
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October 16th, 2019, 10:02 PM | #7 |
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Still quite great deal! KTM’s 176-lb Moto3 RC250GP makes 51hp from single-cylinder for $92k. Adding twice weight for cost-savings and 3 more cylinders for more valve curtain area, 60hp should be easy! I just hope they bring it here!
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October 17th, 2019, 03:04 PM | #8 |
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I would get one!
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October 17th, 2019, 08:06 PM | #9 |
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I get entry level bikes, but I sure do miss some of the diminuative bikes from the 90s/early 2Ks.
YSR 50 FZR 400 Bandit 400 RS50, and RS 250. At least we had those in the states. Then there was the Euro/asian offerings. TZR, FZR , and TDR 250s. ( TZR/ TDR being 2 stroke) Banana style swing arm. CBR 250 RR/ 400 RR with the sexy gull swing arm. Interceptor/ VFR 400, with single sides swing arm. KR1S, ZX250/400 R (ZZR) ( 2 stroke, 4 stroke) GSX-R 250/400. "Just like the real thing, only smaller" nothing like that magic offered today. Some of those started redline at 18 K. And those sexy frames, swingarms, and finicky little uber bits. Like a field of kittens ( or Pokemon) gotta have em all. If Kawa offers it in the states, I will get one. |
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October 17th, 2019, 09:31 PM | #10 |
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I almost picked up one of these for racing couple years ago. Luckily I wised up and figured it would be stupid to crash such rare gem. At least Ninja 250 is more "disposable".
There was regulation limiting power to 45bhp and Honda used different smart-cards with de-tuned ignition-map to lower later generations to that. Earlier ones were closer to 50-55bhp. Dave Moss's CBR250RR gets times similar to 600 SuperSports... hmmm.... https://www.motorcyclistonline.com/1...r250rr-review/ |
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October 18th, 2019, 05:06 AM | #11 |
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There were a handful of guys who had some gray import bikes. Every so often one or two would show up to the local meet up. A few "displacement" guys would would give thier attention. In the end it came down to power talk. The typical answer more or less from the gray import guys was "im here to ride, not swap figures." And off they went, screaming like banshees into the night. They never stated anything about smack talk, or figures. Just that it's a different breed, style, machine, that you just can't understand, till you experience it.
One night a few of us went with them. We ended up at a Malibu Grand Prix, before closing, and did a few cart laps.. Jokingly one said " can I ride my bike on it?" Night manager was chill, and often stayed later for some "private party" shenanigans apparently from the conversation. " just don't wreck, or sue the company" the repli-racer RGV was WAY too much for the track. But it was a hoot watching. ( after hours, and no cars on the track) Last futzed with by GAU-8; October 18th, 2019 at 06:30 AM. |
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October 19th, 2019, 08:12 AM | #12 |
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October 24th, 2019, 10:25 AM | #13 |
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I always thought the mid 1970's Honda CB400F was a cool midsized 4 cylinder with that café look. Always thought the guys riding them looked cool as I rode my Honda MR50. I think a 400/4 would be cool, but will we see it in the US?
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October 24th, 2019, 11:44 AM | #14 |
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It's real!!! Double the cylinders, double the powah!!!
https://www.visordown.com/news/new-b...kyo-motor-show https://www.zigwheels.com/news-featu...or-show/35656/ https://www.cycleworld.com/2020-kawa...5r-first-look/ https://www.rideapart.com/photo/4454...yo-motor-show/ https://www.motorcycle.com/mini-feat...ja-zx-25r.html https://www.topgear.com.ph/moto-sapi...-a959-20191024 |
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October 24th, 2019, 11:58 AM | #15 |
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I think Arnie summed it up pretty good. ( talking at Predator)
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October 24th, 2019, 12:08 PM | #16 |
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Yeah, trying to ride coat-tails of H2R... Unfortunately, ZX-25R doesn't have that kind of power to push such an un-aerodynamic brick through air...
Not sure what weight is, certainly not lighter than EX400 though. With more cylinders, probably heavier engine and extra electronics for traction-control, etc. But not bad considering original GPZ600R made 75-bhp and weighed 478-lbs. |
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October 24th, 2019, 03:39 PM | #17 |
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If that makes it in NorCal I'll buy it. Lightweight bikes are fun.
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October 24th, 2019, 05:54 PM | #18 |
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Yeah! I've contacted all local dealers and told them I want to come in and put down deposit on one! Hopefully with enough demand, they'll bring them over. We also have contact in Indonesia and it doesn't cost that much to ship container or partial container over... hmmm....
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October 24th, 2019, 07:26 PM | #19 |
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I would still like to try to own one. I DON'T like the front end ( body, and tank) but I would still make a deposit.
Checked out a few links, but none specified. ( ones I read) curious as to what makes 5he difference in power, if two versions are sold. Limited/detuned, or one comes witha super/turbo, and the other without. |
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October 24th, 2019, 10:57 PM | #20 |
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I wonder about difference. I suspect cams & exhaust would determine power-curve and redline.
One with lower power but more user-friendly torque-curve like new-gen 250? Other with higher screaming redline and top-heavy power-curve requiring standing-starts at 5000-rpms+ like pre-gen? The whole thing is pretty darn yoogly really! My wife summed it up perfectly, "looks like one of those bikes that crashed at track and they hastily zip-tied and duct-taped bodywork back on!" Has anyone found wet-weight number for this sucker? |
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October 25th, 2019, 04:29 AM | #21 |
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For the music that a 4-cylinder 250 makes... It doesn't matter to me what it looks like. I'm out of motorcycles for right now, but if this thing makes it stateside for <$9,000, it's going to be reeeaaalllly tempting to get back into motorcycles. That thing would be a mountain road ripper.
Honestly, the biggest concern for me is if it's a proper full size bike? or is it a 3/4 scale midget thing like the pregen was? I loved my 250 to death and back, but the stupid thing could have been about 15-20% physically larger all around and it would have made a world of difference for being a more comfortable bike. I can't be the only one who thought that, right? |
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October 25th, 2019, 11:37 AM | #23 |
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I thought my preg was pretty comfortable until I got WC clipons.
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October 25th, 2019, 01:17 PM | #24 |
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Look at the size of the rear tire - looks more like the size of a 600. |
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October 25th, 2019, 05:41 PM | #26 |
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Optical illusion, when camera is closer, perspective makes nearby objects look larger than normal. Appears to be 150 tyre.
Certainly has even smooth wail of 4-cylinder rather than thump-thump of uneven twin. Tried to give blank cheque to several dealers in my area. No one’s taken it yet... One of them appears to specialize in farm equipment, tractors and such. Might need to head into S.F. grrr... Found weight figure of 185kg here. Which is shame as it’s significantly more massive than all previous Ninjettes. https://translate.google.com/transla...ml&prev=search From previous posts from this person, Euro-5 model is lowered-power version. Probably milder cams for emissions. |
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October 25th, 2019, 06:03 PM | #27 |
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In the Kawasaki release video, you can see 4 headers.
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October 25th, 2019, 11:43 PM | #28 |
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Apparently video is fake. A few things dont match up. Between unveiling ZX25R, and this particular vid.
1. Exhaust. No modern big 4 makes exhausts as straight cylinder pipe anymore. 2. Front fairing/windscreen. The inlet is a big giveaway, and a few other differences. 3. All the comments in the vid, saying it is in fact a 600. I am curious as to what is the red ring is, in the exhaust, and whats protruding near it on the right. Is it a custom rear footpeg or something? |
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October 29th, 2019, 05:07 AM | #30 |
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It’s even easier now to ship container vs. 15-yrs ago. Many outfits offer partial-container shipments or even by cubic-meter. If they don’t bring it here, i’d still want one for race-bike.
Gonna be hard to compete with Aprilia RS-660 twin though... I’m only allowed one additional bike bike next year... Anyone want some Ninja 250s for cheap?! |
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October 30th, 2019, 11:09 AM | #31 |
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Gorgeous bike, Danno.
I'm intrigued by the ZX-25. I'd definitely check it out. |
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If I was spec-ing out a 4 cylinder 250cc bike with the intention of creating a "must have" sensation of a bike, I would give serious consideration to equipping it with a crossplane crankshaft. Wouldn't that sound great? (shut up and take my money!)
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November 17th, 2019, 09:18 AM | #36 |
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I will be disappointed if this screamer doesn’t come to the US. I want one! I would sell one of my bigger bikes to get it.
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November 21st, 2019, 01:27 PM | #38 |
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I'll be checking it out at the Bangkok motor expo Nov. 29th. Sounds like it will be manufactured in Thailand and Indonesia. Thailand doesn't have tiered licensing, but taxes are insane, perfect market for a higher-powered 250. I was in the market for a vfr400, looks like I'll be getting one of these instead if the power to weight is ok.
The older 250 i4's are available here, but most have been ridden hard and it shows. I just hope the new one is up to specc. Old zx250r had dual discs, curved radiator, etc. New bike looks like it's missing those things from the Tokyo reveal. |
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I doubt they will, the display will most likely echo the Tokyo display, bikes up on a platform. I'm going for the public day, the closed industry day is the 28th.
If you guys can't get them in the USA, I'd be interested in helping with importing them to the west coast as "off road only" vehicles. We would need to get enough orders to fill a container, or at least get reasonably close to make it financially feasible. Base container cost is $2k, and then export and bonding fees quickly double that. If someone proposes a spec race class and there's enough interest, maybe you can get a local Kawasaki dealer can import instead? I can't imagine Kawasaki saying no to a spec series with guaranteed sales and publicity. |
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