May 18th, 2013, 02:22 PM | #1 |
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Started riding 40 years ago. Started racing 39 years ago. Have held an AMA pro license in Motocross, Supercross and Road racing. Have raced(dirt) motocross, supercross, hare scrambles, enduro, flat track,(road) sprint and endurance. Have held a motorcycle license for 30 years and have over 300,000 road miles under my belt. That my resume.
I can tell you in no uncertain terms that to advocate to new and intermediate riders that the use of the rear brake is essentially a non-factor is an injustice which can and will get someone hurt or killed. Good luck to you all............. Ride safe and ride smart.
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May 18th, 2013, 02:25 PM | #2 | |
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May 18th, 2013, 02:35 PM | #3 |
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Having so much to teach young riders, you should not walk away from our site. I use so much rear brake during my practices of Moto Gymkhana that my brake fluid boils. On the speedway, however, I never use it but to start the weight transfer during an emergency stop. It is not that is not effective, it is that the harder the stopping, the more dangerous and attention demanding it becomes, IMHO. Hope that this won't be your last post and that you will stay !!!
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May 19th, 2013, 05:16 AM | #4 |
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I dunno, quit because someone's opinion differs from yours? The same opinion that guys like David Hough state in a published book for new riders? Quitting is kind of loserish dude. Later.
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May 19th, 2013, 07:02 AM | #5 |
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There are a lot of opinions here that fly directly in the face of logic, it annoys me too and ai see why you feel this way drac.
People advocate dickheads who profess to know what they're doing but don't, just try not let it get to you. Some people seem to think the rear brake is put there to kill you, those are also the types to misuse it and end up killing themselves, just ignore them and rise above mate. Btw: personally I wouldn't take advise from 99% of people here over a qualified instructor or a local mechanic but i realise some people are daft enough to, and **** them if they do and come off! |
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May 19th, 2013, 07:10 AM | #6 |
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Everyone in this world will find people who disagree with their opinions. That's the nature of society. You help offer a different perspective that many others just don't have. To walk away just because of differing opinions is shortsighted. Everyone, not just you, needs to learn to accept differences and learn to understand. Arguing doesn't change others mind, time does.
Disagreements will always exist around the rear brake. Without fresh opinions like yours, what are new riders to do except listen to the only voice they hear? There are pros and cons to both theories. What someone chooses to believe is based in some merit of fact, its up to the consumer of those facts to decide how they want to proceed. Stay and help provide the knowledge that you have, its beneficial to all in the long run. |
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May 19th, 2013, 07:38 AM | #7 |
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I can't really take you seriously with that profile picture, but that's just me. Peace friend.
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May 19th, 2013, 08:59 AM | #8 |
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for what its worth, i use both brakes.
drac you really need to quit taking stuff so seriously...
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May 19th, 2013, 09:20 AM | #9 |
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This argument reminds me very much of global warming, you can show people as many stats as you like, you can argue that it's universally accepted in the scientific community to your hearts content, some people will just refuse to accept it, point out one weirdo who bases their credibility on charisma and bolt down.
It's the same with lots of things, their is no argument to be had, one is true the other is false yet people refuse to believe they're wrong. Examples: God, Crop Circles, 911 conspiracies, front brake only, The royal family are lizard people, drugging water supplies, iluminati. |
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May 19th, 2013, 09:26 AM | #10 |
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I too almost quit coming to this site but my reason was because of a few A-HOLES who want to just argue anything anybody posts. I agree with you that NOT using the back brake is just plain stupid and dangerous BUT as stated above its an argument that has gone on forever. You at least are quitting because of the danger people are causing others but brakes aside, here is my advice to you and what made my visits to ninjette.org pleasant again....start an IGNORE LIST. I have about 5 members on mine (and growing). It has made visiting and reading post and posting post so much more pleasant and enjoyable.
I agree with @dfox who stated it perfectly. Stay and provide us with your opinion using your many years of experience. If not, all we will hear is the "opinions and advice" of young little bucks who think they know it all. In either case, I wish you the best and safe riding to you!! |
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May 19th, 2013, 09:35 AM | #11 |
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I agree that the combined use of both front and rear brakes certainly improves stopping distance over the use of front brake only...it's common sense that both tires slowing the bike will certainly outperform that of the front brake alone. But to leave ninjette.org due to a simple disagreement is a bit of a hasty move, don't you think? Regardless of your decision, continue riding safely and have fun out there.
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May 19th, 2013, 09:42 AM | #12 |
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Hang around for awhile. It's nice to have a voice of reason, to keep idiots in check.
or... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AVD4xwgtnc4
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May 19th, 2013, 09:50 AM | #13 |
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Well its kinda basic riding knowledge isn't it? I mean why would they even have a rear brake if it wasn't meant to be used lol. I use the front only in straight lines and slight leans. Anything beyond that is controlled by engine and rear brakes which just a 'hint' of front brake for flavor.
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May 19th, 2013, 11:00 AM | #14 |
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Back breaks are very painful. Rear breaks even more so. I've had a crack in my rear for a long time. You get used to it.
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May 19th, 2013, 11:02 AM | #15 |
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it bad when you know that you won't be able to S#!+ right for months...
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May 19th, 2013, 08:35 PM | #16 |
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May 19th, 2013, 08:52 PM | #17 |
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Different opinions are very useful to a forum. The trick is giving examples based on personal experience. It would be great if you stayed and shared your experience with the rest of us.
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May 19th, 2013, 10:06 PM | #18 | |
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Hmmm,....Yes,.... me too...
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May 19th, 2013, 10:06 PM | #19 |
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I am still new to riding. Are you saying to not use the rear break?
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May 19th, 2013, 10:22 PM | #20 | |
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Optimal usage are as per aeroblade standards* Straight line braking - 60% front 40% rear " "Sandy roads - Engine 20% engine braking and 80% rear " "Wet conditions - 60% rear 40% front Braking while in a curve - balancing engine braking and minimal use of rear brake.(or just take it slow) Extremely muddy conditions - Stay at home
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May 19th, 2013, 10:25 PM | #21 |
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drac don't go, I love you
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May 19th, 2013, 10:27 PM | #22 |
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Cmon man I haven't even done my test that I promised you!
also, lol @ aeroblade
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May 19th, 2013, 10:49 PM | #23 |
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Jiggles you $%$% you made me spill my coffee!!!!!
@drac : Seriously, how on earth could you leave jiggles like this? Have a heart ol man!
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May 20th, 2013, 06:20 AM | #24 |
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Brilliant
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May 20th, 2013, 06:54 AM | #25 |
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I have been told over and over by the forum to use my rear brake, even when slow enough that its not needed... Sadly you must have Ben trolled
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May 20th, 2013, 07:03 AM | #26 |
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May 20th, 2013, 08:39 AM | #27 |
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Oh geez. Here we go again!
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May 20th, 2013, 08:40 AM | #28 |
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May 20th, 2013, 10:18 AM | #29 |
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This is really stupid. It's a public discussion forum and the very purpose of forums is to encourage discussion. Won't be much of a discussion if everybody thinks the same way now would it? You dismissed links that others have brought up as being anecdotal and the only data you posted was a single chart drawn up 7 years ago, then you throw a hissy fit because people omfg have different opinions, toss up a I've been riding longer than you, boy post then leave.
You're not the first and you won't be the last. Every forum has a special flower like you. 40 years of riding and yet you still act like a pouty 10 year old. |
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May 20th, 2013, 11:30 AM | #31 |
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May 20th, 2013, 11:35 AM | #32 |
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a guy told me one time that after 500k miles of riding, the best advice he could give was to never use the front brake!
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May 20th, 2013, 11:37 AM | #33 |
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May 20th, 2013, 11:37 AM | #34 |
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sigh...... drac, with that much experience, you should be very well versed on how to deal with differences in riding techniques between riders. Live and let live and let experience be the teacher sometimes. Know what I mean?
Like I have posted before... Unregistered, develop an intimate relationship with your brakes, yea.... both of them. Good luck!
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May 20th, 2013, 11:43 AM | #37 |
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In your world, that's referred to as "Tuesday", right?
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Wanna know what I think? LOL
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