December 18th, 2014, 11:30 AM | #81 | |
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Leaning the bike MORE can result in a low side because you are already at your max lean so pushing it farther can put you on the ground. You mention getting lower in your hook position and really, that is your best option as it will tighten up your line WITHOUT adding any extra lean angle. So what is the hook position and how do you get into it in order to tighten your line?
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December 18th, 2014, 11:48 AM | #82 |
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my understanding of the hook is that you are essentially, intentionally partially crossed up at first with your lower body in a good position but your upper body still left up toward the top of the tank as you enter the turn, but then when needed, your upper body can move down more to where your handle bar is, moving your weight down which seems to move the bike up... which not only starts you turning a bit tighter, but it means you have new clearance which means you can turn more (although trying to add lean angle mid corner is a recipe for disaster, but if you're already heading for disaster, maybe trying something different could help)
from how i've used it, it's especially helpful on decreasing radius turns where careful braking is required well into the turn... then you can drop the hook and start getting on the gas... it just works out well, i donno why exactly i feel like it is easier to have my weight back further on the bike when im crossed up braking into a turn vs full lean into turn braking.... makes it easier to deal with the rear end coming up i think... or maybe it is just that i get a better sense of the rear end coming up when my head is upright like that?
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December 18th, 2014, 11:55 AM | #83 |
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watching marquez, when he seems to encounter the "oh **** its not gonna happen" situation, it seems like he just drags his entire side of his body on the ground and pushes the bike back up after lowsiding around the corner. intentional?
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December 26th, 2014, 10:34 AM | #84 | ||
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Hooking is fun! At the track, once I set my line, I can continue tightening it up all the way through just by smoothly moving my body further down and off. Keeping pressure off the bars, supporting yourself with the outside knee on the tank is important to keep in mind.
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December 26th, 2014, 04:33 PM | #85 |
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lol.... from following you around on track, I believe I got an idea of why you feel uneasy about the turn in. You got me for a whole day at the track, we will specifically work on vision at turn in Feb. Maybe getting a few other things done ahead of time so the turn in is less "busy".
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December 26th, 2014, 04:55 PM | #86 |
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Also Ally, the brakes on my 250 are beast!!!! You will experience first hand what brakes are supposed to feel like. Running deeper into a corner will somewhat come on it's own as you adjust to knowing that you can hit your entry speed with very little effort.
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December 26th, 2014, 07:16 PM | #87 | |
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I may not take your whole day Chris. I'm going to conquer the track enough to feel a "win", and then I'm done. I'm going to beat it before I end the amazing hobby I have relished for 4 years now. Then I can end it happy. Edit: Admittedly, when i couldn't thumb up or hop up after that crash like I usually do...when I was struggling to breathe and crying face-down on what I didn't even know at the time was the middle of the racetrack, for the first time in 6 years and 60,000+ miles of riding, I felt fear. **** fear.
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December 26th, 2014, 07:43 PM | #88 |
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I got you, I will be there 100% of the time. We are gunna have a great day. Just ride and have fun, I don't care if we do laps at 35mph. I just want you to have a great day with many smiles.
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December 26th, 2014, 07:47 PM | #89 |
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Scraping a little more off my knee puck before retiring them would be fun.
Edit: My left one would need replacing soon if I kept tracking.
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December 26th, 2014, 07:50 PM | #90 | |
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January 6th, 2015, 12:26 PM | #91 | |
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This will help the bike tighten its line without adding any extra lean angle. Why would moving your upper body down and forward help the bike tighten its line? I'd say this is just his extreme version of the hook turn He tends to take his riding to the extreme in all cases
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January 6th, 2015, 12:28 PM | #92 | |
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January 6th, 2015, 12:57 PM | #93 |
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Alex and I have ridden together, and what he commented is not what I witnessed . I believe he means good bp to start, but it's that extra effort to go from average bp to more aggressive bp while mid corner is the where most riders find the beginnings of what the hook turn does for them. It starts off subtle like that, imho of course.... Because that is I what I saw from his six.
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January 7th, 2015, 02:28 PM | #94 | |
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January 8th, 2015, 12:21 PM | #95 | |
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So, when do you get in the hook position? Right at the beginning of the turn, in the middle, near the end? Does it depend?
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January 21st, 2015, 03:41 PM | #96 |
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Hey Y'all I just wanted to briefly threadjack and mention that I came on this forum looking for some used parts and tech help and have been reading through some of these old threads with great interest. What a cool hidden gem of knowledge.
Part of the reason i like internet forums is because you find commonality with strangers over one thing that everyone likes, and turns out there is commonality in other areas. Who would have thunkit that some great riders and instructors are also drawn to the lowly ninjette? Very cool, carry on, I'm enjoying the read! |
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October 21st, 2015, 12:44 PM | #97 |
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November 4th, 2015, 02:04 PM | #98 |
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November 4th, 2015, 02:20 PM | #99 |
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Ya know Misti, I sometimes wonder what "might have been" if I had went farther with the CSS coaching stuff. It's extremely rare for me to second guess myself... :\
I know it's outside of the norm, but maybe Cobie will let me try out/go through the process again someday when I grow up a bit more.
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November 4th, 2015, 02:32 PM | #101 |
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Lol!!!! ikr. I am still
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November 5th, 2015, 01:22 PM | #102 | |
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You don't have too!! Think about it, I get paid to ride motorcycles and play at the track and meet cool people that I can help become better riders and it's all fun and silly and cool. Best. Job. Ever.
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