98 kawasaki ninja250r not starting

[Ghostt]

If the OP is that worried, he can PM me, I was just offering a personal help, before he has his engine laying in pieces on the floor

[HoneyBadgerRy]

Originally Posted by Ghostt

If the OP is that worried, he can PM me, I was just offering a personal help, before he has his engine laying in pieces on the floor

Yeah, same boat. If someone locally needed some help in would be more than willing to come and help. There is one guy from 4 minutes north of here that posted once, then never replied. :/

[jkv45]

I would start by confirming you have adequate battery voltage - 12.7 or better.

Just because it's a new battery doesn't mean it's fully charged, or may even have a bad cell.

If you get full voltage (before cranking) check it when you hit the button. You should see 10.0V or better. If it's below that it's bad.

[HoneyBadgerRy]

Originally Posted by jkv45

I would start by confirming you have adequate battery voltage - 12.7 or better.

Just because it's a new battery doesn't mean it's fully charged, or may even have a bad cell.

If you get full voltage (before cranking) check it when you hit the button. You should see 10.0V or better. If it's below that it's bad.

I believe he already did and got 11.something.

[jkv45]

Originally Posted by HoneyBadgerRy

I believe he already did and got 11.something.

It looks like you are right.

I guess we need to see a video or something, because it seems like he's checked out most of the possibilities without getting any answers.

[Ghostt]

Then the OP is missing something in his diagnostics.

[knightdalton]

No 39523 diego drive Temecula California

[knightdalton]

I checked the volts to the battery and again on the starter I get 11.99 on a full charge. I'll hook a car battery right now to it and see what happens do I hook the car battery to my battery?

[knightdalton]

Originally Posted by Ghostt

One more time if you did the short of the solenoid, and nothing still happens, it's the battery, do you own a multi meter? Better yet try to jump start it, just remember the car must not be running!!! Try the bypass of the solenoid again, it should crank.

Let's not jump the pulling the starter, til you rule out the battery 1000% do you own a motorcycle battery charger? Exactly what kind of battery did you get? Wet cell? Sealed? Etc.... Did you charge the battery first?

No I jump the solenoid and it acted the same way if I didn't do that

[knightdalton]

If you would like to text me my number is 951 331 8644 don't call tho just text also if you text me i'll send you the video of anything how it sounds the sparks anything to make this thing work

[Ghostt]

Originally Posted by knightdalton

No 39523 diego drive Temecula California

Well that leaves me out, not due to miles, can't take off from work that long, anybody else close?

[knightdalton]

Originally Posted by Ghostt

Well that leaves me out, not due to miles, can't take off from work that long, anybody else close?

You can text me then I'll send you videos

[Ghostt]

Go buy a battery tender, and plug it in, and/or have the battery tested by a professional

Battery Tender 021-0123 Battery Tender Junior 12V Battery Charger https://www.amazon.com/dp/B000CITK8S..._HHAfxbGBNPGR5

[Ghostt]

Link to original page on YouTube.

Here's the video he sent me, so much for the battery being the issue, sounds like the starter drive.

Sounds like it's just cranking to me, sounds normal.

[RacinNinja]

Sounds like he has zero compression.

[knightdalton]

Originally Posted by RacinNinja

Sounds like he has zero compression.

I'll go rent a compression tester in the morning and test it. What is it supposed to be at?

[Ghostt]

More videos

Link to original page on YouTube.

Link to original page on YouTube.


Sounds like the airbox is missing

[knightdalton]

No the air box is there

[knightdalton]

Could it be flooded like to much gas

[Ghostt]

Link to original page on YouTube.

[RacinNinja]

Originally Posted by knightdalton

I'll go rent a compression tester in the morning and test it. What is it supposed to be at?

IIRC, minimum of 140 PSI. 140-218 PSI I think is the range. Somewhere in that neighborhood.

Hey, we're getting somewhere!

[jschorr]

Got to love the multi problem problems. Most of the posts are about why the starter doesn't start the bike. Personally I would say clean all your contacts first. But I digresses,

I would start with the why it isn't starting when you push start it, then move on to messing with electrical, simply a question of where the bigger $$$is involved if the worst is true.

Motors are not that hard, I mean sure they are but if you have spark, and gas, then something will happen. If you can't push start then it is gas or spark. Probably gas, do your carb again, don't feel bad, I usually do mine 3 or 4 times before I get it right, everything out, in 4 little cups. Take your time, it takes longer if you don't.

Wile you have the tank off hook your bat to a car jumper and see if you get a good clean spark by grounding it off a bolt in your frame. Electric doesn't go through paint so bare metals. And yes, jumping with a car is not recommended and might fry your battery, but it is good to have a lot of juice on hand.

And since your riped down, check your fuse's, and if your feeling crappy change out your fork oil so you can at least feel good about that.

Starters, cheap. Chasing down gremlin's in electric, basically free. But infill the dam thing fires and runs you own a fancy boat anchor.

[knightdalton]

Originally Posted by jschorr

Got to love the multi problem problems. Most of the posts are about why the starter doesn't start the bike. Personally I would say clean all your contacts first. But I digresses,

I would start with the why it isn't starting when you push start it, then move on to messing with electrical, simply a question of where the bigger $$$is involved if the worst is true.

Motors are not that hard, I mean sure they are but if you have spark, and gas, then something will happen. If you can't push start then it is gas or spark. Probably gas, do your carb again, don't feel bad, I usually do mine 3 or 4 times before I get it right, everything out, in 4 little cups. Take your time, it takes longer if you don't.

Wile you have the tank off hook your bat to a car jumper and see if you get a good clean spark by grounding it off a bolt in your frame. Electric doesn't go through paint so bare metals. And yes, jumping with a car is not recommended and might fry your battery, but it is good to have a lot of juice on hand.

And since your riped down, check your fuse's, and if your feeling crappy change out your fork oil so you can at least feel good about that.

Starters, cheap. Chasing down gremlin's in electric, basically free. But infill the dam thing fires and runs you own a fancy boat anchor.

Already did all of that spark blue battery to car battery solenoid, fuses, gas, put gas in carburetor bowls and then try to start did that, starter turns the engine.

[jschorr]

Starter fluid in the chamber? Cause if you have spark, it is on the gas side. I have gotten a motor with no rings to turn with a big enough bang so even if yours are shot it will chug to life.

[Ghostt]

The OP put new plugs, but used Autolite #4194, I advised him to pick up the proper NGK's and to have the carburetors cleaned, or send them to @ducatiman for professional refurbishing.

Until he does the plugs, and carburetors no need to go any further IMHO.

[jschorr]

Ooooo cheaped out on the plugs.

I guess I missed the point of this, I thought he wanted help with the diagnostic so he himself can fix it.

I get it though, I am about to pay someone to hunt down the popping on my bike, would rather ride than sit there and scratch my head.

[jkv45]

The video helps.

Seems like it's cranking over too fast, like there's an issue with compression (as Racin' noted).

Any chance the plugs are not seated fully? I would also replace them with the recommended NGKs.

I would probably try a shot of Starter Fluid to see what it does, but there may be a few things going on.

Most likely the carbs need to be gone through thoroughly, but that may not be the entire problem.

[jschorr]

It is going quick, I assumed it wasn't engaging, simple first, why I was suggesting testing with the bump/impact gun start.

[knightdalton]

Originally Posted by jschorr

Ooooo cheaped out on the plugs.

I guess I missed the point of this, I thought he wanted help with the diagnostic so he himself can fix it.

I get it though, I am about to pay someone to hunt down the popping on my bike, would rather ride than sit there and scratch my head.

I didn't know those were cheap plugs I'm replacing them today

[knightdalton]

Originally Posted by jkv45

The video helps.

Seems like it's cranking over too fast, like there's an issue with compression (as Racin' noted).

Any chance the plugs are not seated fully? I would also replace them with the recommended NGKs.

I would probably try a shot of Starter Fluid to see what it does, but there may be a few things going on.

Most likely the carbs need to be gone through thoroughly, but that may not be the entire problem.

I will get starter fluid today replace spark plug and do compression test as well thanks also didn't know those where cheap I'm new to this thought spark was spark until I read them thanks

[Ghostt]

Do the carburetors first!!! The compression test can wait, if needed at all.

[knightdalton]

Originally Posted by Ghostt

Do the carburetors first!!! The compression test can wait, if needed at all.

Ok I think I know where problem is when I turn the bolt to turn the engine the valves and timing chain don't move

[RacinNinja]

Originally Posted by knightdalton

Ok I think I know where problem is when I turn the bolt to turn the engine the valves and timing chain don't move

Good job!!

Now to find out how much damage you have, if any. Keep going!

[knightdalton]

Originally Posted by RacinNinja

Good job!!

Now to find out how much damage you have, if any. Keep going!

What do you mean keep going like keep seeing if more is wrong like the gears?

[RacinNinja]

Originally Posted by knightdalton

What do you mean keep going like keep seeing if more is wrong like the gears?

Find out WHY the crank isn't turning the cam gears. You can't hurt this engine any more than it already is. Playing with the carbs and electrical is absolutely pointless until you get to the bottom of this issue.

Or, if you feel like this is too much to handle, slap a new motor in there.

[jschorr]

I would stop there and look for another motor. Or bike. The bikes are usually cheaper than motors.

[knightdalton]

No ill fix it and I'll find out more

[jschorr]

Well then first step is to drop the motor strip of the exhaust and everything else that you can before and plop it on a table.

Good work from the top down valve covers to you have the whole head off and exposed you'll see all the damage

[HoneyBadgerRy]

Hopefully it will just be a broken CCT. It might be a busted cam chain, and that likely would mean you likely have other problems. If you know the cams are not moving I assume that means you took the valve cover off and turned the motor over. So, is the cam chain slacked, missing, or fine?

[Ghostt]

Originally Posted by knightdalton

Ok I think I know where problem is when I turn the bolt to turn the engine the valves and timing chain don't move

Well if the cam chain broke?? Well that's goodnight then, look for another engine. I didn't see that happening, not a common problem for the Ninjette under normal circumstances.