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The only bad thing I can think of is that if the Platigage is too thick, there may be a risk of marring a soft bearing face. I'm not a 100% expert on this so a second or third opinion would be good. @Motofool
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having trouble trying to find the correct flywheel puller, will this one work for newgen?
https://www.amazon.com/Motion-Pro-08...ct_top?ie=UTF8 according to this thread it should work https://www.ninjette.org/forums/showthread.php?t=176911 |
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What about the too thick leave a mark on the bearing part? Is that fact or myth? I've never experienced it myself.
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I don't ever think I have ever used the red stuff nor so I recall the clearances it measures. I have always used the green ones without issue.
No experiences with too thick of plastigage since I use one that measures the range of clearance needed.
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As for power you get a tiny bit of top end power. But you get a wide power band increase. Like the engine hits 30 hp at 7000 rpm instead of 8500 and is still making power out at 12500 before dropping off. Of corse ignition carb work full exhaust is also kinda going along with it. They are actually heavy compaired to stock a couple grams but I found on the last engine this was good. I love them but it is a couple hundred dollars and if you race check the class rules
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Pistons and an ignition upgrade and you will be at or about 34 hp with a smooth power band.
Then it's all about head and cam work. I'm still experimenting with that stuff.
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So can I use the free plastigage from the parts store or do I need to order that other one with the smaller tolerances ?
so it looks like I can use the green plastigage I will get some. From reading the FSM and this thread, the main thing is I should transfer all of my bearings from the old case to the new one. And since they are sized to the crank, there should be no issues since the old engine was running just fine even after I crashed the motor ran I just couldnt get a gear to engage. Once I get the cases I will take pics and post here to verify the color hopefully blue. And then will basically proceed to take all of the components out of the old case and transplant into the new one. Using the plastigage to double check the clearance even when reusing my old bearings. Clean all mating surfaces, replace gaskets, use thin layer of HondaBond HT which I have coming tomorrow. Also I will follow the FSM to align the crank and cams based on the marks they put on the gears to align them correctly. Before I take everything apart should I put the crank at TDC? or does it not matter since I am taking it out. Am I on the right path here? just as a point of clarification, the bearing inserts are split in half, I have seen conflicting info on wether I can just swap them from the old case or they are somehow like pressed into each case half? Can someone shed some light on this for me. Last futzed with by daverdfw; August 17th, 2016 at 02:50 PM. |
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So I have the flywheel off, the cam shafts and timing chain. About to take off the head. Just taking my time , reading the FSM many times and slow and steady.
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here is where I am right now. how do I get the snap rings out of the piston? they dont have the holes like normal snap rings.
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A small pick or flat blade screwdriver. Get one end out and then work your way around the ring.
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Regardless of paint color reasssemble the bottom end with the old bearings and use plastiguage to check clearance from there. The bearings and crank have worn in together. IF the colors match its just that much better. But regardless you will need to check clearance.
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I think so. I never looked at the pipes. Did you use a puller to remove the flywheel?
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ok so it looks like I have the brown (white) looking paint marks. Transmission looks fine, I see no metal pieces or anything funny going on.
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so upon closer examination. on the top or 12 oclock position on the bearings,
the crank has yellow paint the counterbalance has blue on theirs |
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Interesting. Don't mix any of the shells up and just transfer it all to the new case when you get. Then measure the clearance.
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Push down on the opposite side edge. It will roll/slide out of the case. Do not use any kind of tool to push them out because if that tool slips, you've just ruined a bearing half. Since you are planning on re-using them, I wouldn't use a tool. Should come out pretty easily with good thumb pressure. Hard for me to explain, lemme see if I can find a picture or video.
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Napa, O'Reilly's or even AutoZone should have it.
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Yep autozones don't seem to carry it at all or at least the Texas location. O'Reilly for sure will.
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Yup
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I did it both ways and from what I vaguely remember it did not make that much of difference but I went ahead and did it for peace of mind since I was rebuilding the whole shebang.
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Nope. I haven't been on a track in a few years now.
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